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0|0|0|||||The differences between words and images|Jeffrey||14:46:44|06/26/2002|Today%2C I%27m going to talk about...filler.  You know%2C filler episodes in so many different anime shows where the entire cast gets into crazy situations and the story goes absolutely nowhere%3F  The ones we all love to hate and want to see less of%3F  What %5Bi%5DSlayers%5B%2Fi%5D is made of%3F  Er%2C well%2C mostly.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe fact is%2C many of us don%27t like filler.  They waste our time.  They simply fill out a quota for the producers.  They%27re pointless.  Each time a filler episode comes up%2C we give it a sound beating and send it on its way.  We all prefer our shows to be concise and to the point.%0D%0A%0D%0AWhich baffles me exactly why we don%27t notice it almost as much in books.  Trilogies can be reduced to one single book if you take out all the unnecessary %22filler%22 stuff.  Many %22New York Times bestseller%22 series are just chock-full of filler and often use an entire book just to advance one single plot point %28e.g.%2C %5Bi%5DThe Wheel of Time%5B%2Fi%5D%29.  But we hardly give the authors a hard time for it.  What%27s with that%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AI once said that I tried imagining %5Bi%5DSymphony of the Sword%5B%2Fi%5D as an anime series.  I suppose that that if it really were an anime%2C we%27d jump all over the EPU creative team for what we would perceive as %22filler%22 episodes%2C such as %22Hogtown Rhapsody%22%2C %22Fanfare for an Exiled Prince in E-flat Major%22%2C or %22Pavane for a Dead Princess%22.  We wouldn%27t want them to %22waste our time%22 and detract from %22plot development%22.  But since it%27s not an anime%2C we love them.  In fact%2C we want to see more of these %22filler%22 material.  Why%3F  Why are we so willing to overlook the faults in what we read more than what we see%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A-------%0D%0AJeffrey McIntyre%0D%0A%5Bi%5DIt%27s rather amazing what boredom and excess time can do to the human mind%5B%2Fi%5D
1|1|0|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|Gryphon||15:12:07|06/26/2002|%3EI once said that I tried imagining %5Bi%5DSymphony of the Sword%5B%2Fi%5D as an %0D%0A%3Eanime series.  I suppose that that if it really were an anime%2C we%27d %0D%0A%3Ejump all over the EPU creative team for what we would perceive as %0D%0A%3E%22filler%22 episodes%2C such as %22Hogtown Rhapsody%22%2C %22Fanfare for an Exiled %0D%0A%3EPrince in E-flat Major%22%2C or %22Pavane for a Dead Princess%22.  We wouldn%27t %0D%0A%3Ewant them to %22waste our time%22 and detract from %22plot development%22.  %0D%0A%3EBut since it%27s not an anime%2C we love them.  In fact%2C we want to see %0D%0A%3Emore of these %22filler%22 material.  Why%3F  Why are we so willing to %0D%0A%3Eoverlook the faults in what we read more than what we see%3F %0D%0A%0D%0A... stories that tell about moments in the characters%27 lives and advance their development as people are %22filler%22 now%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AI guess I must have missed that meeting.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor in Chief%2C Netadmin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A
2|1|0|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|Offsides||15:43:42|06/26/2002|%3EI once said that I tried imagining %5Bi%5DSymphony of the Sword%5B%2Fi%5D as an %0D%0A%3Eanime series.  I suppose that that if it really were an anime%2C we%27d %0D%0A%3Ejump all over the EPU creative team for what we would perceive as %0D%0A%3E%22filler%22 episodes%2C such as %22Hogtown Rhapsody%22%2C %22Fanfare for an Exiled %0D%0A%3EPrince in E-flat Major%22%2C or %22Pavane for a Dead Princess%22.  We wouldn%27t %0D%0A%3Ewant them to %22waste our time%22 and detract from %22plot development%22.  %0D%0A%3EBut since it%27s not an anime%2C we love them.  In fact%2C we want to see %0D%0A%3Emore of these %22filler%22 material.  Why%3F  Why are we so willing to %0D%0A%3Eoverlook the faults in what we read more than what we see%3F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0AThere are many differences bewteen the written and visual mediums%2C most notably our attention span.  When we watch a half-hour show%2C we expect that over the course of 25 minutes or so we%27ll see some sort of problem%2C the trials of the peoeple involved%2C and either some sort of resolution%2C or at least getting to a logical break before the next episode.  However%2C by the nature of the half-hour format%2C it%27s targetting short attention span %22attitudes%22.  If we watch for a half hour and nothing happens%2C we feel it%27s wasted.%0D%0A%0D%0AOn the other hand%2C reading is a much more long-term affair.  For starters%2C not everybody reads at the same pace%2C plus there%27s all the %22internal%22 visual effects we create to go with it.  Additionally%2C since there%27s no arbitrary time limit on length%2C the story is just as long or short as it needs to be to accomplish its goals.  Additionallty%2C because we don%27t have all the extraniuos visuals of an animated show%2C the only details we get are the ones the author chooses to show us %22center stage%22.  An anime may show something in the background that ends up being important later%2C but there%27s no need to bring our attention to it - it%27s there for us to see if we%27re paying attention.  OTOH%2C unless the author writes it%2C and thus brings it right into our face%2C there%27s no way for us to notice it at all.  It may be sone subtly and in a way that we don%27t %5Bi%5Drealize%5B%2Fi%5D it%27s important until later%2C but it has to be done.  Whether the author and reader%28s%29 realize it%2C IMHO about 99%25 of everything that gets written in a good story is important in some way%2C no matter how small.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd there%27s your answer regarding %5Bi%5DSOS%5B%2Fi%5D - we enjoy what you refer to as %22filler%22 because it really isn%27t.  It%27s well written%2C providing additional details that we wouldn%27t otherwise get%2C and most of it does actually matter.  I had a discussion with a friend a while back %28between Symphony%27s %231 and %232%2C IIRC%29 about whether SOS could be read and understood by only reading the full movements and not the %22side pieces%22.  What we finally agreed on was that yes%2C if you only read the movements%2C you%27d get just enough information to follow the story and keep up.  But by doing so you%27d miss no only some good%2C fun readys%2C buy you%27d miss a lot of important background on %5Bi%5Dwhy%5B%2Fi%5D the events in the movements were important.%0D%0A%0D%0AEveryone has their own opinions%2C and you%27re welcome to your own.  But you might want to re-evaluate your criteria for classifying something as %22filler%22.  You%27ve already demonstrated that it doesn%27t quite work by your own admission regarding SOS...%0D%0A%0D%0AOffsides%0D%0A%0D%0AP.S. Gryphon - I think that I%27m at least echoing for many%2C though I won%27t presume to speak for them%3A Keep the stories coming%2C be they full movements or brief interludes.  To paraphrase Vaughn %28ref%3A Phoenix%29%2C %22EPU Stories.  I like %27em.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AUnemployed netadmin seeking job... so what else is new%3F%0D%0AEPU RCW %23%26pi%3B%0D%0A%23include %3Cstdsig.h%3E
3|1|0|||||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|TRB||15:48:39|06/26/2002|Setting aside my feelings on labelling the various Symphony side-stories as filler for a moment%2C I think I can give an answer to the underlying query. %0D%0A%0D%0AFirst%2C when dealing with an anime series%2C you have 26 episodes for a TV show and an indeterminate number%2C usually less than 10%2C for an OAV. We know that after that%2C barring incredible finanacial success of the series%2C we will see no more%2C and%2C as such%2C fans protest time wasting fluff. We want to get to the point and have the story told so that when we get to the end we won%27t be stuck unfulfilled. %0D%0A%0D%0AThe Symphony has no constraints on its length%2C other than perhaps Gryphon%27s lifespan or possible future events%2C such as loss of interest in writing%2C or senility P-%29 %0D%0AAs such%2C we can take side trips without fear of running out of time in which to reach the destination. %0D%0APublished works still need some degree of financial success to continue through multiple books%2C but it%27s much more modest than film%2FTV. So the same thing applies. %0D%0A%0D%0ASide trips are most emphatically not wastes of time if they serve to expand our understanding of the story%2C its setting%2C and its characters. They only become %22filler%22 when they do none of these%2C or fail to entertain%2C or prevent the story as a whole from being told in the space provided. The Symphony%27s side trips do not fail to entertain%2C succeed in expanding the universe and its characters%2C and as such%2C are not filler. Their existence also will also not prevent Future Imperfect from expanding%2C as the %22space provided%22 for UF is effectively infinite. %0D%0A%0D%0ATRB%0D%0A
4|1|0|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|Astynax||16:00:20|06/26/2002|%3Csnippage%3E%0D%0A%3E Why are we so willing to %0D%0A%3Eoverlook the faults in what we read more than what we see%3F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AGryph%27s reply hits on the core of the issue without actually answering the questions %3Cat least what I parse as the question%3E. It comes down to psychological expectations. In TV%2C movies%2C games%2C etc. people generally expect consistency. Action pieces contain fights%2C chases%2C explosion%2C Comedies make you laugh%2C Romances touch the heart%2C jerk tears%2C all with a small peppering of other items to keep it from being so one dimensional people reject it. Prose%2C meanwhile%2C is expected to be much more balanced. We expect the characters and settings to be developed to a degree almost unheard of in most moving picture entertainment. This is precisely why good books often become lousy movies%2FTV shows. The pacing and expectation between mediums is so different the stories are hard to translate properly. So%2C in the end%2C they aren%27t truly faults so much as facets of the medium. We tolerate them because they are expected%2C and usually desirable.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5BP%5D%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%222%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fmembers.aol.com%2Ferulogos%2Fgfx%2Fxsig.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5D%5BFONT SIZE%3D%222%22 COLOR%3D%22%23000000%22%5D%5Bb%5D-%3D%7B%28Astynax%29%7D%3D-%5B%2Fb%5D%5BBR%5D%5Bi%5D%22Before anyone decides to rip me a new one by pointing out n%2B1 movies%2FTV shows%2Fetc that have excellent character developement%2C or similarly books with none%2C please bear in mind that the above post is a generalization%2C and all such things have exceptions.%22%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%222%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D%5B%2Fp%5D
5|1|0|||||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|drakensisthered||18:22:41|06/26/2002|%3EWhich baffles me exactly why we don%27t notice it almost as much in %0D%0A%3Ebooks.  Trilogies can be reduced to one single book if you take out %0D%0A%3Eall the unnecessary %22filler%22 stuff.  Many %22New York Times bestseller%22 %0D%0A%3Eseries are just chock-full of filler and often use an entire book just %0D%0A%3Eto advance one single plot point %28e.g.%2C %5Bi%5DThe Wheel of Time%5B%2Fi%5D%29.  %0D%0A%3EBut we hardly give the authors a hard time for it.  What%27s with that%3F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0AWell to give an example%2C I just read Janny Wurts%27 %5Bi%5DPerils Gate%5B%2Fi%5D. Thew plot %28without spoilers%29 being that the main character has to cross a barren wilderness%2C a bunch of his allies get offed and he just barely %27escapes%27 into a perilous mystical experience. Now in a TV show that would come down to maybe 2 episodes tops. One for the drawn out chase and another %28near the middle of the series%29 to recap what%27s happens so far and give insight into our hero%27s character.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs a book it comes to seven hundred and change pages of gripping character development%2C manic plotting%2C desperate struggles and mental trauma. Stuff that you can%27t cram into a TV show %28unless%2C arguably you can obtain a run as long as Babylon 5 %28more than eighty hours over the five seasons%29%29. And yet some of that subtle stuff as absolutely critical to the overreaching plot. To lose it would be a grave injustice to the story.%0D%0A%0D%0ANo two story tellers can tell precisely the same story because of their different perspectives. %27Filler%27 %5Bi%5Dis%5B%2Fi%5D the important stuff in many storys.%0D%0A
6|1|0|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|Wedge||20:13:41|06/26/2002|[updated:LAST EDITED ON 06-26-02 AT 08:22 PM (EDT)]%3EToday%2C I%27m going to talk about...filler.  You know%2C filler episodes in %0D%0A%3Eso many different anime shows where the entire cast gets into crazy %0D%0A%3Esituations and the story goes absolutely nowhere%3F%0D%0A%0D%0ACool%2C I didn%27t know we had a movie studio exec%2Fhead of development in the house.%0D%0A%3C%2Fsarcasm%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AWe almost didn%27t get the first 45 minutes of %5Bi%5DHarry Potter and the Socerer%27s Stone%5B%2Fi%5D because of the %22Why do we need to see all of that crap%3F%22 Hollywood additude.  It was probably around the same time they were contemplating making Harry %5Bi%5DAmerican%5B%2Fi%5D.  Gah.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EThe ones we all %0D%0A%3Elove to hate and want to see less of%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AWe do%3F  My favorite %5Bi%5DX-Files%5B%2Fi%5D episodes are the ones that have %5Bi%5Dnothing%5B%2Fi%5D to do with the whole %27myth-arc%27.  You usually wind up learning more about the characters in those bits than in the ones where %27the story goes somewhere%27.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd yes%2C I realize I haven%27t made any direct reference to anime%2C but when you come right down to it%2C it%27s the same thing.  %5Bi%5DMushroom Samba%5B%2Fi%5D from %5Bi%5DCowboy Bebop%5B%2Fi%5D comes to mind...%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fwedge%2Fstuff%2Fnall.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DChad Collier%0D%0ADigital Bitch%0D%0AJ. Random VFX Company%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%230000CC%5DRCW %231138%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
7|2|6|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|beautifulvoice||20:33:55|06/26/2002|[updated:LAST EDITED ON 06-26-02 AT 08:34 PM (EDT)]%3E%3EToday%2C I%27m going to talk about...filler.  You know%2C filler episodes in %0D%0A%3E%3Eso many different anime shows where the entire cast gets into crazy %0D%0A%3E%3Esituations and the story goes absolutely nowhere%3F%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ECool%2C I didn%27t know we had a movie studio exec%2Fhead of development in %0D%0A%3Ethe house. %0D%0A%3E%3C%2Fsarcasm%3E %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EWe do%3F  My favorite %5Bi%5DX-Files%5B%2Fi%5D episodes are the ones that have %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5Dnothing%5B%2Fi%5D to do with the whole %27myth-arc%27.  You usually wind up %0D%0A%3Elearning more about the characters in those bits than in the ones %0D%0A%3Ewhere %27the story goes somewhere%27. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EAnd yes%2C I realize I haven%27t made any direct reference to anime%2C but %0D%0A%3Ewhen you come right down to it%2C it%27s the same thing.  %5Bi%5DMushroom %0D%0A%3ESamba%5B%2Fi%5D from %5Bi%5DCowboy Bebop%5B%2Fi%5D comes to mind... %0D%0A%3E%0D%0AAs do a few of my favorite episodes of Shoujo Kakumei Utena...%0D%0AEp. 6%3ABe Careful%2C Nanami-sama%0D%0AEp. 8%3ACurried High Trip%0D%0AEp. 13%3APlotting a Locus%0D%0AEp. 16%3ACowbell of Happiness%0D%0AEp. 24%3AMitsuru%27s Secret Diary%0D%0AEp. 33%3AThe Prince That Runs Through the Night%0D%0A   %0D%0AI%27ve heard people say that Episode 33 is unneccesary...%0D%0AIf you%27ve seen Episode 33%2C you know why that%27s outrageous.%0D%0AIf you haven%27t..well%2C see it%21 %3AP%0D%0AActually%2C the whole Kurobara no Hen%28Black Rose Arc%29 doesn%27t really advance the story at all%2C but it has the most character development..my personal favortie part of the series.%0D%0A%0D%0A The Beautiful Voice Admin%0D%0A-%5Blink%3Ageocities.com%2Flady_kozue %7CLady Kozue%27s Media Archive%5D%0D%0A-%5Blink%3Ageocities.com%2Fthebeautifulvoice%7CThe Beautiful Voice
8|3|7|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|Gryphon||20:37:20|06/26/2002|[updated:LAST EDITED ON 06-26-02 AT 08:40 PM (EDT)]%3EI%27ve heard people say that Episode 33 is unneccesary... %0D%0A%0D%0AUnnecessary%2C no%2C certainly not... but on several levels%2C I think I would probably be more content if I hadn%27t seen it.%0D%0A%0D%0AThat%27s all.  If you%27d like to examine my reaction further%2C %5Bi%5DInterlude at the Hotel Monolith%5B%2Fi%5D is %5Blink%3Awww.eyrie-productions.com%2FUF%2FFI%2FSOS%2Fhotel-monolith.txt%7Cthat way%5D.%0D%0A%0D%0AMy life would be less complete%2C though%2C if I hadn%27t seen %22The Great Curried High Trip%22.  After all%2C it%27s the first time the sharp-eyed viewer gets to experience Anthy%27s pleasantly perverse little sense of humor.%0D%0A%0D%0AWhich reminds me - she and Utena have been back together for seven%2C eight months now and they haven%27t told anybody the Curry Story yet.  I must rectify that.  It%27ll be a big hit at Table 11%2C I%27m sure. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor in Chief%2C Netadmin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A
12|4|8|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|beautifulvoice||01:40:49|06/27/2002|%3EUnnecessary%2C no%2C certainly not... but on several levels%2C I think I %0D%0A%3Ewould probably be more content if I hadn%27t seen it. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0AFor that matter%2C so would she.%0D%0AI guess it takes a smart viewer to understand the significance of that episode. I know people who think Utena was just describing the contents of her fridge.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EWhich reminds me - she and Utena have been back together for seven%2C %0D%0A%3Eeight months now and they haven%27t told anybody the Curry Story yet.  I %0D%0A%3Emust rectify that.  It%27ll be a big hit at Table 11%2C I%27m sure. %3A%29 %0D%0A %0D%0AI can just imagine THAT getting to the intergalactic press somehow...though in the intergalactic scheme of everything that%27s happened in UF%2C it falls kinda mid-range in the list of %27really strange stuff.%27%0D%0A%0D%0A The Beautiful Voice Admin%0D%0A-%5Blink%3Ageocities.com%2Flady_kozue %7CLady Kozue%27s Media Archive%5D%0D%0A-%5Blink%3Ageocities.com%2Fthebeautifulvoice%7CThe Beautiful Voice
14|5|12|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|trigger||18:04:51|06/27/2002|%3E%3EUnnecessary%2C no%2C certainly not... but on several levels%2C I think I %0D%0A%3E%3Ewould probably be more content if I hadn%27t seen it. %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3EFor that matter%2C so would she. %0D%0A%3EI guess it takes a smart viewer to understand the significance of that %0D%0A%3Eepisode. I know people who think Utena was just describing the %0D%0A%3Econtents of her fridge. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EWhich reminds me - she and Utena have been back together for seven%2C %0D%0A%3E%3Eeight months now and they haven%27t told anybody the Curry Story yet.  I %0D%0A%3E%3Emust rectify that.  It%27ll be a big hit at Table 11%2C I%27m sure. %3A%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EI can just imagine THAT getting to the intergalactic press %0D%0A%3Esomehow...though in the intergalactic scheme of everything that%27s %0D%0A%3Ehappened in UF%2C it falls kinda mid-range in the list of %27really %0D%0A%3Estrange stuff.%27 %0D%0A%0D%0AUm%2C I think he meant at DSM...%0D%0A%0D%0At.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0ATrigger Argee%0D%0Atrigger_argee%40hotmail.com%0D%0AManon%2C Maccadon%2C Orado%2C etc.%0D%0ADenton%2C never leave home without it.%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Pretty ambitious for a tree%2C isn%27t it%3F%22%0D%0A%0D%0A
15|6|14|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|beautifulvoice||18:34:21|06/27/2002|%3E%3EI can just imagine THAT getting to the intergalactic press %0D%0A%3E%3Esomehow...though in the intergalactic scheme of everything that%27s %0D%0A%3E%3Ehappened in UF%2C it falls kinda mid-range in the list of %27really %0D%0A%3E%3Estrange stuff.%27 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EUm%2C I think he meant at DSM... %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C yeah. But you know how gossip is...%0D%0A%0D%0A The Beautiful Voice Admin%0D%0A-%5Blink%3Ageocities.com%2Flady_kozue %7CLady Kozue%27s Media Archive%5D%0D%0A-%5Blink%3Ageocities.com%2Fthebeautifulvoice%7CThe Beautiful Voice
9|2|6|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|Gryphon||20:44:18|06/26/2002|%3EWe almost didn%27t get the first 45 minutes of %5Bi%5DHarry Potter and the %0D%0A%3ESorcerer%27s Stone%5B%2Fi%5D because of the %22Why do we need to see all of that %0D%0A%3Ecrap%3F%22 Hollywood attitude.  It was probably around the same time they %0D%0A%3Ewere contemplating making Harry %5Bi%5DAmerican%5B%2Fi%5D.  Gah. %0D%0A%0D%0AAll of which is quite separate from the fact that there is no %22sorcerer%27s stone%22 in alchemical myth.  I guess we can thank Scholastic for that.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%3EThe ones we all %0D%0A%3E%3Elove to hate and want to see less of%3F%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EWe do%3F  My favorite %5Bi%5DX-Files%5B%2Fi%5D episodes are the ones that have %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5Dnothing%5B%2Fi%5D to do with the whole %27myth-arc%27.%0D%0A%0D%0ACould that have something to do with the fact that the myth-arc is unspeakably tedious%3F  Just checking.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28whoa.  I channelled Richard Belzer.  Y%27know%2C the Belz was %5Bi%5Din%5B%2Fi%5D an episode of %5Bi%5DX-Files%5B%2Fi%5D... playing his character from a %5Bi%5Ddifferent network%27s show%5B%2Fi%5D%21  Television history%2C that.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EAnd yes%2C I realize I haven%27t made any direct reference to anime%2C but %0D%0A%3Ewhen you come right down to it%2C it%27s the same thing.  %5Bi%5DMushroom %0D%0A%3ESamba%5B%2Fi%5D from %5Bi%5DCowboy Bebop%5B%2Fi%5D comes to mind... %0D%0A%0D%0AThe two best episodes of that series%2C as far as I%27m concerned%2C are both filler episodes by Jeff%27s lights.  I %5Bi%5Dstill%5B%2Fi%5D crack up uncontrollably at the %22Yip%21  Yip%21  Yip yip yip yip yip%22 scene in %22Mushroom Samba%22... %0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%5Bi%5DSo that was the story.  And what was the real lesson%3F  %5Bb%5DDon%27t leave things in the fridge.%5B%2Fb%5D%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor in Chief%2C Netadmin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A
10|3|9|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|Wedge||21:06:45|06/26/2002|[updated:LAST EDITED ON 06-26-02 AT 09:07 PM (EDT)]%3EAll of which is quite separate from the fact that there is no %0D%0A%3E%22sorcerer%27s stone%22 in alchemical myth.  I guess we can thank %0D%0A%3EScholastic for that. %0D%0A%0D%0AI was assuming that that would be a %27lets not discuss that here%27 trigger%2C but yes.  Yes we can.  %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%3EWe do%3F  My favorite %5Bi%5DX-Files%5B%2Fi%5D episodes are the ones that have %0D%0A%3E%3E%5Bi%5Dnothing%5B%2Fi%5D to do with the whole %27myth-arc%27.%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ECould that have something to do with the fact that the myth-arc is %0D%0A%3Eunspeakably tedious%3F  Just checking. %0D%0A%0D%0AYeah%2C but without it we wouldn%27t have the %27Mulder dies %5Bi%5Dagain%5B%2Fi%5D%27 mythos that got so wonderfully translated into %5Bi%5DNXE%5B%2Fi%5D.  %3Cgrin%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%28whoa.  I channelled Richard Belzer.  Y%27know%2C the Belz was %5Bi%5Din%5B%2Fi%5D %0D%0A%3Ean episode of %5Bi%5DX-Files%5B%2Fi%5D... playing his character from a %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5Ddifferent network%27s show%5B%2Fi%5D%21  Television history%2C that.%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AMulder pulling out the old %27brick%27 style cell phone in that one left me on the floor for a week or so.  Good times.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fwedge%2Fstuff%2Fnall.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DChad Collier%0D%0ADigital Bitch%0D%0AJ. Random VFX Company%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%230000CC%5DRCW %231138%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
13|4|10|||||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|Norgarth||15:49:06|06/27/2002|%3E%3E%3EWe do%3F  My favorite %5Bi%5DX-Files%5B%2Fi%5D episodes are the ones that have %0D%0A%3E%3E%3E%5Bi%5Dnothing%5B%2Fi%5D to do with the whole %27myth-arc%27.%0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3ECould that have something to do with the fact that the myth-arc is %0D%0A%3E%3Eunspeakably tedious%3F  Just checking. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EYeah%2C but without it we wouldn%27t have the %27Mulder dies %5Bi%5Dagain%5B%2Fi%5D%27 %0D%0A%3Emythos that got so wonderfully translated into %5Bi%5DNXE%5B%2Fi%5D.  %3Cgrin%3E %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%3E%28whoa.  I channelled Richard Belzer.  Y%27know%2C the Belz was %5Bi%5Din%5B%2Fi%5D %0D%0A%3E%3Ean episode of %5Bi%5DX-Files%5B%2Fi%5D... playing his character from a %0D%0A%3E%3E%5Bi%5Ddifferent network%27s show%5B%2Fi%5D%21  Television history%2C that.%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EMulder pulling out the old %27brick%27 style cell phone in that one left %0D%0A%3Eme on the floor for a week or so.  Good times. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0AOne of the X-files scenes that stands out in my memory was of minor importance to the series.  %0D%0A%0D%0AMulder had been chasing a guy thru some alleys%2C the guy knocked Fox down and tossed his gun away then tried hopping a fence.  Then he stops at the sound of a gunshot%2C the camera then shows Fox%2C sitting on the ground withan ankle hoster visible and a gun in his hand.  As he handcuffs the guy Mulder comments %22I got tired of losing my gun.%22 %0D%0A%0D%0AThat scene could be considered filler%2C and simply skipped by saying Mulder caught the guy%2C butit%27s inclusion added to the show.
11|1|0|||1||RE%3A The differences between words and imag|Matrix Dragon||00:34:02|06/27/2002|%3EWhich baffles me exactly why we don%27t notice it almost as much in %0D%0A%3Ebooks.  Trilogies can be reduced to one single book if you take out %0D%0A%3Eall the unnecessary %22filler%22 stuff.  Many %22New York Times bestseller%22 %0D%0A%3Eseries are just chock-full of filler and often use an entire book just %0D%0A%3Eto advance one single plot point %28e.g.%2C %5Bi%5DThe Wheel of Time%5B%2Fi%5D%29.  %0D%0A%3EBut we hardly give the authors a hard time for it.  What%27s with that%3F %0D%0A%0D%0ABooks are meant to be big. If we sit down to read a novel%2C we expect it to be long%2C with a lot of detail and plot. We can accept that%2C as long as it stays on track. And I%27ve seen authors get a hard time over it. Take a look at all the abuse Robert Jorden got over his last few books.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EI once said that I tried imagining %5Bi%5DSymphony of the Sword%5B%2Fi%5D as an %0D%0A%3Eanime series.  I suppose that that if it really were an anime%2C we%27d %0D%0A%3Ejump all over the EPU creative team for what we would perceive as %0D%0A%3E%22filler%22 episodes%2C such as %22Hogtown Rhapsody%22%2C %22Fanfare for an Exiled %0D%0A%3EPrince in E-flat Major%22%2C or %22Pavane for a Dead Princess%22.  We wouldn%27t %0D%0A%3Ewant them to %22waste our time%22 and detract from %22plot development%22.  %0D%0A%3EBut since it%27s not an anime%2C we love them.  In fact%2C we want to see %0D%0A%3Emore of these %22filler%22 material.  Why%3F  Why are we so willing to %0D%0A%3Eoverlook the faults in what we read more than what we see%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AHogtown Rhapsody was a nice little holiday. Besides%2C it was also when Utena realised just how much she loved Anthy%2C saw Dios again%2C and the trip to Sneaky Dee%27s was arranged. I%27d call those important plot points.%0D%0A%0D%0AFanfare for an Exiled Prince in E-Major had to be done because Gryph wanted us to understand the purpose of the Babylon Foundation and IPO. Very important plot points for the galaxy as a whole%2C not just the Duelists.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd Pavane%3F Amanda had to kill her bloody sister for Christs sake%21 Plus she got her hands on the Lorica.%0D%0A%0D%0ANot everything has to be part of the main plotline. UF%2C like so many other stories%2C and many different plots going at the same time%2C all of different importance. That%27s what makes it so enjoyable.%0D%0A%0D%0A---------------------------%0D%0AMatrix Dragon%0D%0ARabid Crack Weasel %23 123 %0D%0ADirector of the Okatu Intelligence Division%0D%0A---------------------------