20||0|913|0|yes 0|0|0|||1||Suppressed...|Shadowhavoc||14:30:30|09/11/2002|In case the media hasn%27t been reminding you%2C this is the anniversary of the 911 attack. I was sleeping when the whole thing came down. I usually listen to the radio and keep music playing to help with my insomnia%2C and suddenly I woke up upon hearing two words%3A Pentagon and attack. Needless to say%2C that was enough information to send my two-hundred plus pound body springing forward with an inventive expletive. I remember there being some kind of flying ban. I remember the manager telling me not to show up for work because the mall was being closed. I remember it being nearly impossible to log on the internet or to make a telephone call. And it%27s just now that what happened a year ago started to really affect me. Just about thirty minutes ago%2C half-listening to the News while working on one of my projects%2C that I suddenly broke down and cried. I just%2C sobbed there like a little kid. I guess%2C even with all the emotions I bottle up%2C it breaks out every now and then. Gods I feel like drinking...%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0ANormal Shadowhavoc disclaimer %28TM%29%3A Feel free to tell me to shut up. 1|1|0|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Gryphon||16:56:06|09/11/2002|%3EIn case the media hasn%27t been reminding you%2C this is the anniversary %0D%0A%3Eof the 911 attack. %0D%0A%0D%0AGee. Really%3F I hadn%27t noticed. That explains what the local American Legion post was doing down in the park this afternoon. I was trying to figure out if it was V-J Day or what.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor in Chief%2C Netadmin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A 2|2|1|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Kokuten||18:32:03|09/11/2002|I find it disturbing that 9%2F11%2F01 was my first day at a new job%2C and.. 9%2F11%2F02%2C is my first day at a new job.%0D%0A%0D%0Ablech.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- %0D%0AKokuten Daysleeper%0D%0ARCW %2313013%0D%0A%28Insert Witticism Here%29 3|2|1|||||RE%3A Suppressed...|TRB||23:17:27|09/11/2002|[updated:LAST EDITED ON 09-11-02 AT 11:19 PM (EDT)]Yeah. I caught the point when%2C for inexplicable reasons%2C I was up at 8%3A00AM and I flipped on the TV to find them reading the list of victims. What goon thought THAT up%3F %0D%0A%0D%0ATRB%0D%0A%22You got run over by a dump truck. You are not qualified to be a hero. Next. You got crushed by a building after an airliner rammed it. You are not qualified to be a hero. Next. You led a charge of unarmed men to take back your hijacked airplane. You are qualified to be a hero. Next.%22 %0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%3EIn case the media hasn%27t been reminding you%2C this is the anniversary %0D%0A%3E%3Eof the 911 attack. %0D%0A%0D%0A 4|2|1|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Shadowhavoc||23:56:12|09/11/2002|%3E%3EIn case the media hasn%27t been reminding you%2C this is the anniversary %0D%0A%3E%3Eof the 911 attack. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EGee. Really%3F I hadn%27t noticed. That explains what the local %0D%0A%3EAmerican Legion post was doing down in the park this afternoon. I was %0D%0A%3Etrying to figure out if it was V-J Day or what. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%3CWinces%3E Sorry%2C I really meant for that line to be sarcastic.%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Life is not good or bad%2C it%27s what you make of it. Somebody please shoot me.%22 8|3|4|||||RE%3A Suppressed...|WengFook||11:13:06|09/14/2002|%3E%3E%3EIn case the media hasn%27t been reminding you%2C this is the anniversary %0D%0A%3E%3E%3Eof the 911 attack. %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EGee. Really%3F I hadn%27t noticed. That explains what the local %0D%0A%3E%3EAmerican Legion post was doing down in the park this afternoon. I was %0D%0A%3E%3Etrying to figure out if it was V-J Day or what. %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%3CWinces%3E Sorry%2C I really meant for that line to be sarcastic. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%7Bhelpful tone%29 it really would help if you put in the %0D%0Astandard sarcasm tm tags in there... %28helpful tone%29 5|1|0|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Xervis||09:38:51|09/12/2002|[updated:LAST EDITED ON 09-12-02 AT 09:39 AM (EDT)]I was at home sick that day%2C I woke up just as%2C i think%2C the 2nd plane hit. all I heard was my mom screeming %22ANDREW WAKE UP THE TOWERS ARE BEING BOMBED%21%21%21%22 I had no clue what was gooing on till i went into the TV room. The TV in our school caf was on round the clock%2C set to TNN or CBC news net of something%2C everyone looking for an update.%0D%0A%0D%0AI Am No One%2C I Have Name. %0D%0AI Am Nothing%2C Yet I Am Everything. %0D%0AI Am The Darkness%2C I Am The Light. %0D%0AYou Will Learn To Fear My Might.%0D%0A%0D%0AXervis 6|2|5|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Silverex||12:50:22|09/12/2002|%3EI was at home sick that day%2C %0D%0A%0D%0AI was sick that day too.%0D%0AI was sick the day the Oaklahoma bomb went off and%0D%0Athe day OJ made his mad dash.%0D%0A%0D%0AThings just happen to go weird when I am sick...%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5DI don%27t talk. I lurk.%5B%2Fi%5D 7|3|6|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Silverex||20:31:19|09/12/2002|%3E%0D%0A%3EI was sick that day too. %0D%0A%3EI was sick the day the Oaklahoma bomb went off and %0D%0A%3Ethe day OJ made his mad dash. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EThings just happen to go weird when I am sick... %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd now that I have posted this I feel very stupid...%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5DI don%27t talk. I lurk.%5B%2Fi%5D %0D%0A 9|3|6|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Rachie||18:46:22|09/14/2002|I%27ve been in treatment for cancer for over a year now%2C and on Sept. 11 2001 I was at the clinic%2C going to have a gallium scan%2C which detects Hodgkin%27s disease in most patients but takes about four hours. So I usually bring a movie or two to watch. %0D%0A%0D%0AWhen we left %28and when I picked out the movie%29 it was quite early and the biggest story on TV was Michael Jordan returning to basketball. Boring. So I brought a movie I hadn%27t seen in a while%3A Independence Day. Needless to say%2C after we got to the clinic and saw what was happening on TV%2C I decided not to watch it. %0D%0A%0D%0AAbout two months later%2C I had another scan and decided to bring ID4 again. That day%2C there was that huge plane crash in Queens. I%27ve decided not to watch that movie for awhile. It%27s not all that great of a film anyway.%0D%0A%0D%0A- R. Mayo%0D%0A%0D%0AOne of the major problems encountered in time travel is not that of accidentally becoming your own father or mother. There is no problem involved in becoming your own father or mother that a broadminded and well-adjusted family can%27t cope with.%0D%0A%0D%0A 10|4|9|||||RE%3A Suppressed...|megazone||03:24:50|09/15/2002|%3EAbout two months later%2C I had another scan and decided to bring ID4 %0D%0A%3Eagain. That day%2C there was that huge plane crash in Queens. I%27ve %0D%0A%0D%0AAh%2C yes%2C that%27s still getting the occasional article in Aviation Week. When the vertical stabilizer departs an aircraft in flight it tends to make a lot of people uneasy... 12|5|10|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Wedge||12:55:58|09/15/2002|%3E%3EAbout two months later%2C I had another scan and decided to bring ID4 %0D%0A%3E%3Eagain. That day%2C there was that huge plane crash in Queens. I%27ve %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EAh%2C yes%2C that%27s still getting the occasional article in Aviation Week. %0D%0A%3E When the vertical stabilizer departs an aircraft in flight it tends %0D%0A%3Eto make a lot of people uneasy... %0D%0A%0D%0AYet another reason to continue with my discrimination of Airbus aircraft.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fwedge%2Fstuff%2Fnall.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DChad Collier%0D%0AJ. Random Pixel Pusher%0D%0ADigital Domain%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%230000CC%5DRCW %231138%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D 13|6|12|||||RE%3A Suppressed...|megazone||09:51:20|09/16/2002|%3EYet another reason to continue with my discrimination of Airbus %0D%0A%3Eaircraft. %0D%0A%0D%0ANot that Boeing has a spotless record...%0D%0A%0D%0A737 rudder hardovers anyone%3F%0D%0A 14|7|13|||||RE%3A Suppressed...|Star Ranger4||17:39:58|09/16/2002|%3E%3EYet another reason to continue with my discrimination of Airbus %0D%0A%3E%3Eaircraft. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ENot that Boeing has a spotless record... %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E737 rudder hardovers anyone%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AToo true. I think what made that one worse was the way Boeing maintained that such a thing couldn%27t be possible till the CAB forced its findings down their throat.%0D%0A%0D%0AFor some reason I%27m thinking that the plane that crashed of LAX about 5 years ago was an Airbus product as well. All I remember was that the flight was headed from like Aucapulco to someplace up north of LAX%2C but they had a rudder malfunction and crashed into the sea. The fact I remember it at all is that I was about to fly my GF down for the summer and she was all freaked about flying because of it. 15|8|14|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Wedge||18:03:23|09/16/2002|%3EFor some reason I%27m thinking that the plane that crashed of LAX about %0D%0A%3E5 years ago was an Airbus product as well. All I remember was that %0D%0A%3Ethe flight was headed from like Aucapulco to someplace up north of %0D%0A%3ELAX%2C but they had a rudder malfunction and crashed into the sea. The %0D%0A%3Efact I remember it at all is that I was about to fly my GF down for %0D%0A%3Ethe summer and she was all freaked about flying because of it. %0D%0A%0D%0ANot Airbus%2C that was an MD80 variant flown by Alaska Airlines. That was the whole %27jackscrew%27 mess %28elevator%2C not rudder%29%2C and it was late January 2000.%0D%0A%0D%0AI know rationally that there%27s pretty much an equal chance of an accident on any flavor of hardware%2C but when I think of Airbus I think of the footage from the one airshow where one of their new fly-by-wire planes drove itself into the ground during a low flyby--something which has happened more than once. Something mechanical breaking down%2C ok%2C fine%2C shit happens. But I hate the idea of dying because of someone%27s bad code in the control system.%0D%0A%0D%0AI know at some point Boeing and everyone else will go with FBW control systems%2C but I%27ll have a little more faith in the engineers who%27ve been doing it since the Apollo Lander. I hope the %5Blink%3Awww.boeing.com%2Fnews%2Ffeature%2Fconcept%2Fflash.html%7CSonic Cruiser%5D gets off the ground%2C as I%27d much rather get to where I%27m going faster instead of getting there in the same amount of time as now with 500 %28or more%29 other people%2C whcih doesn%27t sound like any kind of fun at all.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fwedge%2Fstuff%2Fnall.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DChad Collier%0D%0AJ. Random Pixel Pusher%0D%0ADigital Domain%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%230000CC%5DRCW %231138%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D 16|9|15|||||RE%3A Suppressed...|megazone||23:24:55|09/16/2002|%3ENot Airbus%2C that was an MD80 variant flown by Alaska Airlines. That %0D%0A%3Ewas the whole %27jackscrew%27 mess %28elevator%2C not rudder%29%2C and it was late %0D%0A%3EJanuary 2000. %0D%0A%0D%0AYeah%2C I forget - the elevator jammed full nose-down I believe. Actually%2C past %27full%27 since the connector stripped.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3Eaccident on any flavor of hardware%2C but when I think of Airbus I think %0D%0A%3Eof the footage from the one airshow where one of their new fly-by-wire %0D%0A%3Eplanes drove itself into the ground during a low flyby--something %0D%0A%0D%0AAh%2C the one where is serenely flys off into the trees%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AThey blamed that on the pilot giving incorrect inputs%2C but I don%27t really buy the explanation they provided.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EI know at some point Boeing and everyone else will go with FBW control %0D%0A%3Esystems%2C but I%27ll have a little more faith in the engineers who%27ve %0D%0A%3Ebeen doing it since the Apollo Lander. I hope the %0D%0A%0D%0AThe 777 is FBW%2C and I believe they%27ve been slipping FBW systems into new revisions of old designs.%0D%0A%0D%0AI tell ya%2C Aviation Week is not a magazine I%27d recommend to anyone with any fear of flying whatsoever. %3A-%29%0D%0A 17|10|16|||||RE%3A Suppressed...|Star Ranger4||02:10:22|09/17/2002|%3E%3Eaccident on any flavor of hardware%2C but when I think of Airbus I think %0D%0A%3E%3Eof the footage from the one airshow where one of their new fly-by-wire %0D%0A%3E%3Eplanes drove itself into the ground during a low flyby--something %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EAh%2C the one where is serenely flys off into the trees%3F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EThey blamed that on the pilot giving incorrect inputs%2C but I don%27t %0D%0A%3Ereally buy the explanation they provided. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AYeah%2C that%27s the most famous one%2C cause it happened at the Paris Airshow. And I agree with you. I don%27t see how the Pilot could have given the wrong inputs%3B there had to be something screwed with the code. FBW should NEVER counteract the pilots inputs unless it will take the plane beyond its known safe operatioal envelope. Hoeck%2C personnaly I belive FBW shouldn%27t do anything except translate the pilot%27s imputs into actuall control movement. 18|9|15|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Gryphon||02:24:04|09/17/2002|%3EI know at some point Boeing and everyone else will go with FBW control %0D%0A%3Esystems%2C but I%27ll have a little more faith in the engineers who%27ve %0D%0A%3Ebeen doing it since the Apollo Lander.%0D%0A%0D%0A... but Grumman doesn%27t make airliners.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor in Chief%2C Netadmin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A 19|10|18|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Wedge||02:46:04|09/17/2002|%3E%3EI know at some point Boeing and everyone else will go with FBW control %0D%0A%3E%3Esystems%2C but I%27ll have a little more faith in the engineers who%27ve %0D%0A%3E%3Ebeen doing it since the Apollo Lander.%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E... but Grumman doesn%27t make airliners. %0D%0A%0D%0AMmmm. Which later got adopted into the shuttle program %28and that nifty Crusader testbed they flew out of Edwards%29 and spread from there. I was more talking about the history of it than brand name.%0D%0A%0D%0AI was also searching to avoid the ugliness of saying %27Not French%27. British and German contribution helps%2C but%2C still. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fwedge%2Fstuff%2Fnall.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DChad Collier%0D%0AJ. Random Pixel Pusher%0D%0ADigital Domain%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%230000CC%5DRCW %231138%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D 20|11|19|||1||RE%3A Suppressed...|Laudre||05:02:46|09/17/2002|%3EI was also searching to avoid the ugliness of saying %27Not French%27. %0D%0A%3EBritish and German contribution helps%2C but%2C still. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0A%22In Euro heaven%2C the police are British%2C the engineers are German%2C the cooks are French%2C the lovers are Italian%2C and everything is organized by the Swiss.%0D%0A%0D%0A%22In Euro hell%2C the police are German%2C the engineers are French%2C the cooks are British%2C the lovers are Swiss%2C and everything is organized by the Italians.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AMy ex sent me that by email to me last year. It still amuses me immensely%2C and I wish I knew to whom I could attribute that.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean -- %0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22 -- Terry Pratchett %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.drelau.com%2F%7CDrelau Productions%5D %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.thebrokenlink.org%2F%7CThe Broken Link%5D %0D%0A 11|3|6|||||RE%3A Suppressed...|pfloyd||09:40:01|09/15/2002|Myself... I was sitting at home%2C out of work. It was a couple of weeks before my PC Support%2FNetworking%2FWin2k class set was to begin. I was just having a normal morning for that time period%3A fiddling about on the computer%2C listening to Bob and Tom on the radio... %0D%0A%0D%0AThey came in with a report that a plane had crashed into the WTC%2C and didn%27t have much more information to pass along. So%2C out of curiosity%2C I flipped on CNN %28keeping B%26T on the stereo instead of switching it over to the video input%29%2Cthinking that some bozo in a Cessna somehow managed to fly into one of the towers%2C and saw the gaping hole%2C and thought%2C %22Dag%2C that ain%27t no Cessna%21%22%0D%0A%0D%0AI called my parents %28who live across town%29%2C and told them to turn on CNN. I was looking at something else when the second plane came in live on TV. At that point%2C I called my gf and left a message on her voice mail about what had been going on. Of course%2C she had her own problems at the school%2C with how to handle the children with the news. %28Third graders are kind of at the beginning stages of fully understanding what%27s going on in the big wide world out there.%29%0D%0A%0D%0AI knew I had things I wanted to do that day %28haircut%2C go to the Y%2C and a couple of other things%29%2C but I couldn%27t tear myself away from the TV for too long%2C but somehow I managed it. Wherever I went%2C though%2C there was a TV or radio with the news on. %0D%0A%0D%0AHere%27s a kicker for you too.%0D%0AA few days before 9%2F11%2C there was an ice cream social at my gf%27s school. I went%2C and met the father of one of the kids in her class. He was in one of the towers on That Day. He got out. I met up with him again at the end of September %2701 at her school%27s Family Festival.%0D%0AI still marvel at how you can meet someone one day%2C and the next day that person%27s somehow involved in one of the biggest historical moments of the ages.%0D%0AMom calls it life. I tend to agree.%0D%0A%0D%0ATo quote G%27Kar%3A %22You do not make history. You can only hope to survive it.%22 %28Season 4%2C episode 421%2C %22Rising Star%22%29%0D%0A%0D%0A-- pf