14||0|691|4|yes 0|0|0|||||Okay%2C that%27s about enough of that%2C gang.|Ardaniel||15:46:17|11/01/2004|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-04 AT 03:50 PM (EST)]%28Edited both for misspelling of URL%2C and for accidentally promulgating a Dubya-speak word. gryphon%2B%2B for catching me on the latter.%29%0D%0A%0D%0AOh%2C for the days when wandering into the Forum didn%27t provoke the immediate urge to claw my one good eye out of my head.%0D%0A%0D%0AIf you can%27t be arsed to at least be somewhat polite to your hosts-- and that means %22more people on the board than just Gryphon%2C Truss%2C or Zoner%22-- why are you here%3F And why are you so surprised when the rest of us%2C Red and Green Teams alike%2C aren%27t %2Ahaving%2A it when you behave like a spoiled 14-year-old and sit here making excuses for your stupid behavior instead of just %2Aapologizing and learning from it%3F%2A%0D%0A%0D%0AWhen I worked at Carnegie Mellon some years back%2C the computer science grad students devised a very simple principle for regulating one%27s behaviors on the Internet and on private systems. It%27s self-regulating and requires only a moment%27s thought%2C and it%27s called the Reasonable Person Principle.%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Would a reasonable person do what you%27re intending to do%3F No%3F Then don%27t do it.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AIt strikes me as rather unreasonable-- and I%27ve seen it on multiple occasions this year-- to notice that the person you%27re talking to has a flag near their name and go %22Oh%2C well%2C I don%27t have to care%2C they%27re not Gryphon.%22 It strikes me as unreasonable to ignore requests to move discussions%2C to ignore requests to stop discussions%2C to spend a lot of time figuring out new and more interesting ways to violate the spirit of the forum rules by sticking to the letter.%0D%0A%0D%0AHere%27s a hint. EPU has its own private discussion area. If you think harshing on one of us and then saying %22you%27re not the boss around here%2C%22 or committing one of any of the other dumb acts I%27ve listed and some I haven%27t%2C doesn%27t get your idiocy discussed privately%2C and your stupidity noted for future reference%2C you have grossly underestimated the scope of the operation around here.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28I%27m not interested in the %22star chamber%22 discussion or anything about how it%27s just not fair of us to %24whatever. Guess what. It%27s not. It%27s our Forum. It%27s not your living room%2C it%27s ours%2C and yeah%2C we %2Ado%2A have the right to look askance at guests who are gleefully spitting on the carpet.%29%0D%0A%0D%0AConversely%2C being generally well-spoken%2C learning to spell%2C being capable and willing to %5Blink%3Ajustfuckinggoogleit.com%7Coperate a search engine%5D prior to posting%2C and not finding an excuse for yourself every time you%27re called out on something will earn you some respect from the creative staff in general%2C and we%27ll be more likely to take you seriously.%0D%0A%0D%0AFunny%2C it works rather like real life that way. This is not your father%27s otaku web-board. We do our work and have our fun like grown-ups%2C and when you guys do too%2C it makes things a lot better all around.%0D%0A%0D%0AArdaniel%0D%0A%22...I mean%2C c%27mon guys%2C what the fuck.%22 1|1|0|||||RE%3A Okay%2C that%27s about enough of that%2C gang.|Slarti||16:22:53|11/01/2004|%5Btable border%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.gweep.net%2F%7Eslarti%2FLJ%2FSlaarti.png%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DI%27m Slaarti the Hutt%2C and I approve this message. Oh ho ho ho ho%21%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D 2|1|0|||1||RE%3A Okay%2C that%27s about enough of that%2C gang.|Wedge||16:24:37|11/01/2004|I%27m Chad %27Kaga%27 Collier%2C and I approve of this message%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fwedge%2FEPU%2Fufchad_ficon.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DChad Collier%0D%0AKilrathi Camera Geek at Large%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%230000CC%5DThe Captain of the Gravy Train%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D 3|1|0|||||RE%3A Okay%2C that%27s about enough of that%2C gang.|jer||16:29:58|11/01/2004|I%27m EPU%27s Jer Johnson%2C and I approve of this Message. 4|1|0|||1||RE%3A Okay%2C that%27s about enough of that%2C gang.|R_Type||16:37:24|11/01/2004|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.honorablemenschen.com%2Fstudio-r9%2Fwebgfx%2Fcorporate.gif%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bbig%5D%5Bfont color%3Dblack%5DI%27m Larry %27R-Type%27 Mann%2C and I approve this message.%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Fbig%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A-RT%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%221%22 cellspacing%3D%221%22 cellpadding%3D%223%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.honorablemenschen.com%2Fstudio-r9%2Fwebgfx%2Fr9_button.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%0D%0A%5Btd%5D%5Bfont color%3D%22black%22 size%3D-1%5D Larry %22R-Type%22 Mann%0D%0A http%3A%2F%2Fwww.honorablemenschen.com%2Fstudio-r9%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D 5|1|0|||1||RE%3A Okay%2C that%27s about enough of that%2C gang.|JeanneHedge||17:46:54|11/01/2004|While you all continue to wonder why traffic on this board continues to drop%2C please remember that civility goes both ways. Both regular members and admin%2Fstaff%2Fmoderators%2Fowners%2F%22in crowd%22 should keep that in mind. Fighting fire with fire or being just plain rude does nothing but irk people%2C make trolls happy%2C and reduce your posting membership %28as I%27ve told at least one of this board%27s admin people several times%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AIs it not enough for one person to provide correction in a civil manner to a rule violator%3F Does everyone have to pile on in as smart-assed of a way as they can %28see recent thread involving search engine use%29%3F If repeat violators of written and posted forum rules bothers the staff so much%2C kick the offenders off the board for heaven%27s sake. The signal to noise ratio will improve immediately.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs for admin icons%2C I%27ve been here for years and never noticed them before today. I didn%27t even know there were admins other than the 3 moderators listed for each conference. Icons are so ubiquitous on boards that I%27d guess most people don%27t notice them%2C or connect them with any particular meaning %28even though the FAQ says a little YELLOW figure %3D admin%3B how many people actually read the FAQ%3F%29%0D%0A%0D%0AHow about adding a new Note at the top indicating how to tell who%27s an admin%3F How about adding the words %22Admin%22 to the names of admins%3F We do both on the commercial board I%27m on staff of%2C but most people say they notice the text %22sysop%22 before they notice the icon %28a judge%27s gavel%29. Whichever%2C there%27s no question about who%27s part of the staff.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AJeanne%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%223%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%2Fpurdue.gif%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5D %5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5D%5Bfont size%3D2%5DJeanne Hedge%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.jhedge.com%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Ago.compuserve.com%2FComic%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fgo.compuserve.com%2FComic%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%223%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D 6|2|5|||1||RE%3A Okay%2C that%27s about enough of that%2C gang.|Gryphon||18:06:20|11/01/2004|%3EAs for admin icons%2C I%27ve been here for years and never noticed them %0D%0A%3Ebefore today. I didn%27t even know there were admins other than the 3 %0D%0A%3Emoderators listed for each conference. Icons are so ubiquitous on %0D%0A%3Eboards that I%27d guess most people don%27t notice them%0D%0A%0D%0AOn this board%2C we don%27t even have avatars%2C let alone icons. I%27m not particularly interested in the way things are done on other boards%3B around here%2C the icons aren%27t masked by oversaturation%2C and the correlation shouldn%27t be hard to spot.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EHow about adding a new Note at the top indicating how to tell who%27s an %0D%0A%3Eadmin%3F How about adding the words %22Admin%22 to the names of admins%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27d prefer to just expect the people reading the board to pay attention and have average reasoning ability. I know%2C that%27s a lot to ask on today%27s Internet%2C but there you are.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor in Chief%2C Netadmin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A 7|2|5|||||RE%3A Okay%2C that%27s about enough of that%2C gang.|Ardaniel||18:13:10|11/01/2004|%3EWhile you all continue to wonder why traffic on this board continues %0D%0A%3Eto drop%2C please remember that civility goes both ways. Both regular %0D%0A%3Emembers and admin%2Fstaff%2Fmoderators%2Fowners%2F%22in crowd%22 should keep that %0D%0A%3Ein mind. Fighting fire with fire or being just plain rude does nothing %0D%0A%3Ebut irk people%2C make trolls happy%2C and reduce your posting membership %0D%0A%3E%28as I%27ve told at least one of this board%27s admin people several %0D%0A%3Etimes%29. %0D%0A%0D%0AI can%27t speak to the precise workings of DCForum to address the more specific complants here.%0D%0A%0D%0AWhat I can say%2C and this is subjective%2C is that of the fans I know personally%2C and well enough to have invited to my wedding earlier this year%2C pretty much all of the posters who left %28and these were well-spoken%2C reasonable folk like Rugle and Donnerjack%29...%0D%0A%0D%0A...they left over high twit factor. Not over our uncivil%2C rude%2C troll-encouraging moderator%2F Suspect behaviors.%0D%0A%0D%0AThey left%2C in short%2C because other people were such idiots that they didn%27t feel like hanging around with the cool people %28a lot of them wound up on IRC with a lot of us%2C elsewhere%29. And it%27s not everyone-- I%27ve had lovely conversations sideband even with folks I%27ve turned the flamethrower on%2C and folks like Bob and Nathan and the like continue to attempt to push the S%2FN ratio higher%2C which is appreciated and doesn%27t escape any of the staff%27s notice.%0D%0A%0D%0ANow%2C the argument for stronger moderation is one I consider worthwhile. I have a hard hand%2C though%2C and that%27s perhaps not the best approach. I would honestly prefer that everyone self-police as much as possible%2C and it not%2C the worst offenders could eat the toe of my jackboot.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd that%2C honestly%2C would bother me not at all... but%2C as a Suspect and author%2C I defer to the wishes of the line editor. That doesn%27t mean I can%27t have a rant on the topic%2C but that any policy decision is not in my hands. All I can do is ask-- in my own manner%2C which I don%27t apologize for-- that people wise the hell up already and stop shitting in my front yard.%0D%0A%0D%0AArdaniel 8|3|7|||||RE%3A Okay%2C that%27s about enough of that%2C gang.|MysticW2002||19:19:52|11/01/2004|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-04 AT 07:28 PM (EST)]%28EDIT%3A removed some of the inane banter from the top. Sorry for that%3B it%27s just in my nature.%29%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27ve noticed the little green-and-red icons after user aliases. I knew what they meant.%0D%0A%0D%0A-I don%27t like to talk UP to people-. I tried that%2C once before. It didn%27t turn out so well. So%2C I have an aversion to it now.%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27ve been civil. I%27ve -tried- to keep an even temper.%0D%0A%0D%0AFirst off... I%27d like to go out on a limb%2C right now%2C and make a public apology. -Again-.%0D%0A%0D%0ASecond... I like to bullshit with people. It%27s one of the main things I take enjoyment from. I%27m not being rude%3B I%27m -trying- to make you laugh. My sense of humor... it is strange. I can get written statements of this fact%2C from multiple sources%2C if you%27d like.%0D%0A%0D%0AThird... Doesn%27t -every- board have an admins-only type area%3F Every board that%27s really worth its salt%2C at least...%0D%0A%0D%0AFinally... What%27s the big deal%3F I mean%2C I know%2C I%27m not an established member in these parts... but I%27m trying to become one. I -like- this place. I%27ve never trolled%2C never flamed%2C a single time in my life. Believe it as you will. I manage this record by staying away from boards where such things might happen.%0D%0A%0D%0AI respect authority%2C but only when that authority respects me. When it doesn%27t... I tend to pack up shop and head elsewhere. Avoid conflict%2C come back when the waters cool. Y%27know%3F%0D%0A%0D%0ASlarti... I don%27t know what I did to offend you. And%2C at this point... I can%27t say that I particularly care. All I ask is that you bury the hatchet. Preferably not in my head%2C if ya know where I%27m headed with that.%0D%0A%0D%0AFor the third time %28well%2C second%2C in this thread%29... I apologise%2C though I might not have recognised I was committing some grievous sin at the time.%0D%0A%0D%0AI read the FAQ%2C I honestly did. And%2C I honestly must say... I -did not know- that I was in the wrong.%0D%0A%0D%0A...I%27m rambling again. I%27ll shut up now. 9|4|8|||1||Ye gods above and below|sideways||09:29:50|11/02/2004|For the love of Astfgl%2C man%2C give it a freakin%27 %5Bi%5Drest%21%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AThat said%2C I should like to address a question to someone else. Excuse me.%0D%0A%0D%0AIs the IRC channel any better than this place%3F If it is%2C I think I%27ll switch.%0D%0A%0D%0AMike Thedford%0D%0AThoroughly Disgusted%0D%0A%5Btt%5Dgot my first job on IRC%2C now that I think back . . .%5B%2Ftt%5D 10|5|9|||||RE%3A Ye gods above and below|MysticW2002||13:34:31|11/02/2004|%3EFor the love of Astfgl%2C man%2C give it a freakin%27 %5Bi%5Drest%21%5B%2Fi%5D %0D%0A%0D%0AI didn%27t start this one%2C amigo. 11|6|10|||||RE%3A Ye gods above and below|MysticW2002||18:21:14|11/02/2004|%3EHush%21%0D%0A%3EFrom%3A sideways%0D%0A%3EDate%3A Nov 2 2004%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E You did indeed %22start it.%22 We would all be mightily pleased if you also %3E%22finished it.%22%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E Perhaps I should rephrase%2C so that you can understand.%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E stfu%2Cn00b%21 wtf%3F %0D%0A%0D%0A%2Asigh%2A Sadly enough%2C this tears it. Al infierno con los foros.%0D%0A%0D%0AIt was fun%2C for about half a minute. Till the match of Flame the Newbie started%2C anyways.%0D%0A%0D%0AThose who wish to continue their association with me%2C or my writing%3A My AIM ID%27s in my profile%2C and my contact info%27s at the end of both pieces in my sig.%0D%0A%0D%0AThose who would use that alias%2Finformation to flame me%3A Bring it. I%27m tired of pussyfooting around.%0D%0A%0D%0AThose who want me to stay%3A I%27ll still be here... but I will not comment. On anything. %28I%27ll bet there%27re at least three people out there%2C right now%2C shouting %27Hallelujah%27 and waving their hands around...%29%0D%0A%0D%0AAll writers %28the list is too long to knock in%2C off the top of my head%29%3A Keep up the good work. That goes for the Honorable Mentions and the Usual Suspects as well.%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Rest now%2C take thy sleep. For you shall not awake%3B let revenge be sweet. For when we march%2C your sword rides with me.%22 12|7|11|||1||RE%3A Ye gods above and below|Gryphon||21:16:59|11/02/2004|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Nov-02-04 AT 09:29 PM (EST)]Wow. Where do I begin%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AOK. First of all%2C Sideways lacks a colored icon and I%27m not even sure who he is%2C so he speaks with no authority but his own. His message seems to be trying to imply otherwise%2C which irks me%2C and the message itself is distinctly lacking in class. Yeah%2C you%27ve been an annoying%2C flailing noob%2C and you%27ve made the hole deeper every time you%27ve tried to patch it%2C but it%27s not his place to be telling %5Bi%5Danybody%5B%2Fi%5D to shut the fuck up. I%27m deeply displeased with this behavior.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd%2C to compound matters%2C you just posted a private message%2C however tactless it was%2C to a public forum%2C which is a major breach of etiquette in itself%2C and compounds your air of flailing noobosity to even greater levels of magnificence. If you wanted to complain about the way another user treated you in a private message - and in this case I would say you had definite grounds to do so - the way to handle it would have been with %5Bi%5Danother%5B%2Fi%5D private message to an admin%2C %5Bi%5Dnot%5B%2Fi%5D by airing the dirty laundry in public and indulging in a juvenile stomp-off-and-slam-the-door session like a 12-year-old drama queen.%0D%0A%0D%0AChrist. What am I going to do with you people%3F I remember a time when this forum had users with some class. People who could think critically - not sycophantically nor bashingly%2C but %5Bi%5Dcritically%5B%2Fi%5D - about what was being presented to them and make trenchant comments about it. People who%2C if they couldn%27t be arsed to do that%2C could at %5Bi%5Dleast%5B%2Fi%5D be relied on to note what they liked and didn%27t like for later reference.%0D%0A%0D%0ABut you know what%3F Users like you guys%2C with your high-school-locker-room manners and your apparent lack of any critical-thinking ability%2C your slashdottish flame sessions and your constant making of excuses for yourselves%2C have driven them all away%2C and with a few notable %28and%2C I%27m sure%2C grimly-clinging-on by this point%29 exceptions%2C %5Bi%5Dyou%27re all that%27s left%5B%2Fi%5D. And if I try to chide any of you for acting like the dopes you apparently are%2C other users tut-tut at me and say%2C %22See%2C this is why your user count%27s declining%2C because you%27re such a Nazi.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AThis makes me miserable.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor in Chief%2C Netadmin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A 13|8|12|||||RE%3A Ye gods above and below|Ardaniel||21:36:14|11/02/2004|%3EAnd if I try to %0D%0A%3Echide any of you for acting like the dopes you apparently are%2C other %0D%0A%3Eusers tut-tut at me and say%2C %22See%2C this is why your user count%27s %0D%0A%3Edeclining%2C because you%27re such a Nazi.%22 %0D%0A%0D%0AUser count is no estimation of the success of what we%27re trying to do here. It might be so on a commercial forum%2C but like I said in the original post%2C we%27re not %2Aaiming%2A to be an anime web board like any one of a hundred others.%0D%0A%0D%0AI would%2C personally%2C prefer 15 or 20 of the sort of user who could be trusted to post critically and thoughtfully-- even if it was heated-- over 300-odd people who post sporadically%2C post without bothering to spellcheck%2C or just post one line in order to have said something.%0D%0A%0D%0AUser quality is what I%27d prefer to see. I don%27t care so much what you%27re doing%2C as long as you%27re doing it well and you%27re not being an idiot. Sure%2C Jeanne disagrees with me on some salient points here%2C but she%27s bothering to compose herself and come up with a thesis and a defense of it.%0D%0A%0D%0AI don%27t agree%2C no%2C and I doubt she expected me to%2C but hey%2C that%27s life. That%27s intelligent discussion.%0D%0A%0D%0AThat%27s what I%27d prefer.%0D%0A%0D%0AArdaniel 14|8|12|||||RE%3A Ye gods above and below|MysticW2002||23:10:09|11/02/2004|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Nov-02-04 AT 11:16 PM (EST)]%3E%5Bi%5DYeah%2C you%27ve been an annoying%2C flailing noob%2C and you%27ve made %0D%0A%3Ethe hole deeper every time you%27ve tried to patch it.%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AOuch. I deserve that... but it doesn%27t mean I have to like it.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EAnd%2C to compound matters%2C you just posted a private message%2C however %0D%0A%3Etactless it was%2C to a public forum%2C which is a major breach of %0D%0A%3Eetiquette in itself%2C and compounds your air of flailing noobosity to %0D%0A%3Eeven greater levels of magnificence. If you wanted to complain about %0D%0A%3Ethe way another user treated you in a private message - and in this %0D%0A%3Ecase I would say you had definite grounds to do so - the way to handle %0D%0A%3Eit would have been with %5Bi%5Danother%5B%2Fi%5D private message to an admin%2C %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5Dnot%5B%2Fi%5D by airing the dirty laundry in public and indulging in a %0D%0A%3Ejuvenile stomp-off-and-slam-the-door session like a 12-year-old drama %0D%0A%3Equeen. %0D%0A%0D%0AOuch again. And I deserve it... again... %28anyone seeing a trend%3F%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EChrist. What am I going to do with you people%3F I remember a time %0D%0A%3Ewhen this forum had users with some class. People who could think %0D%0A%3Ecritically - not sycophantically nor bashingly%2C but %5Bi%5Dcritically%5B%2Fi%5D %0D%0A%3E- about what was being presented to them and make trenchant comments %0D%0A%3Eabout it. People who%2C if they couldn%27t be arsed to do that%2C could at %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5Dleast%5B%2Fi%5D be relied on to note what they liked and didn%27t like for %0D%0A%3Elater reference. %0D%0A%0D%0AMayhap I should have someone read over my posts%2C before I actually post them... Just to make sure they%27re not inflamatory. %28although%2C in this case%2C it wouldn%27t really have done much good...%29 The -reason- I put in public%2C is because half the admin%2Fmod team was%2Fis jumping down my throat%2C for whatever reason. Poor etiquette on my part%2C but meh.%0D%0A%0D%0AHaving said all this... I would like to offer the hilt of my blade to the first person willing to use it to end me. Or shall I be offered absolution%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27ve been told I have a flair for the dramatic%2C so I could take the drama queen%2Fking bit as either a compliment or the intended insult. In this case... it%27d probably be best if taken as an insult. In which case... ouch.%0D%0A%0D%0AI don%27t just purposely make these posts look the way they do... This is really the way I talk. A combination of redneck-ism %28canst thou sayest Alabama%3F%29%2C Old English mythology interest influence%2C Spanish classes%2C and my own need for dramatism%2C and this is the end result. Yeah%2C it%27s hard to read. It%27s harder to type.%0D%0A%0D%0AThis all started with a post in the wrong category%2C about something that%2C apparently%2C some people didn%27t like... And I really am sorry about that. At the time%2C I -did not know- that it was in the wrong category.%0D%0A%0D%0AOn a completely unrelated subject... What program do you type in%2C for these fics%3F To do the formatting%2C I mean. I know it%27s not Notepad%2C because there is no characters-per-line limitter in Notepad. I really would like to know.