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0|0|0|||1||Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Peter Eng||13:46:40|07/27/2006|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-06 AT 03:39 PM (EDT)]%5Ba href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avclub.com%2Fcontent%2Fnode%2F24222%22%5DFrom the Onion AV Club interview%3A%5B%2Fa%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A%22I think that what a lot of people saw when they read %5Bi%5DWatchmen%5B%2Fi%5D was a high degree of violence%2C a bleaker and more pessimistic political perspective%2C perhaps a bit more sex%2C more swearing. And to some degree there has been%2C in the 15 years since Watchmen%2C an awful lot of the comics field devoted to these very grim%2C pessimistic%2C nasty%2C violent stories which kind of use %5Bi%5DWatchmen%5B%2Fi%5D to validate what are%2C in effect%2C often just some very nasty stories that don%27t have a lot to recommend them.%22%0D%0A %22And some of them are very pretentious%2C where they%27ll try and grab some sort of intellectual gloss for what they%27re doing by referring to a few song titles%2C or the odd book. They%27ll name-drop William Burroughs here or there. Just like %5Bi%5DMAD%5B%2Fi%5D comics%2C which was a unique standalone thing%2C it%27s almost become a genre. The gritty%2C deconstructivist postmodern superhero comic%2C as exemplified by %5Bi%5DWatchmen%5B%2Fi%5D%2C also became a genre. It was never meant to. It was meant to be one work on its own.%22%0D%0A %22I think%2C to that degree%2C it may have had a deleterious effect upon the medium since then. I%27d have liked to have seen more people trying to do something that was as technically complex as %5Bi%5DWatchmen%5B%2Fi%5D%2C or as ambitious%2C but which wasn%27t strumming the same chords that %5Bi%5DWatchmen%5B%2Fi%5D had strummed so repetitively. This is not to say that the entire industry became like this%2C but at least a big enough chunk of it did that it is a noticeable thing.%22%0D%0A %22The apocalyptic bleakness of comics over the past 15 years sometimes seems odd to me%2C because it%27s like that was a bad mood that I was in 15 years ago. It was the 1980s%2C we%27d got this insane right-wing voter fear running the country%2C and I was in a bad mood%2C politically and socially and in most other ways. So that tended to reflect in my work. But it was a genuine bad mood%2C and it was mine. I tend to think that I%27ve seen a lot of things over the past 15 years that have been a bizarre echo of somebody else%27s bad mood. It%27s not even their bad mood%2C it%27s mine%2C but they%27re still working out the ramifications of me being a bit grumpy 15 years ago.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%0D%0A%28I broke it up into paragraphs for readability - this is actually one long comment.%29
1|1|0|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Ardaniel||17:25:24|07/29/2006|%22I don%27t hate funny comics.  What I hate is %5Bi%5Dcomics that don%27t sell%21%5B%2Fi%5D%22%0D%0A%0D%0A--Dan %22Dark Emperor%22 DiDio%2C Comic Shop News this week%0D%0A%0D%0AArd Sumhenner%0D%0Athat Janice chick%0D%0AUsual Suspect and general menace
2|2|1|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Peter Eng||01:04:55|07/30/2006|%3E%22I don%27t hate funny comics.  What I hate is %5Bi%5Dcomics that don%27t %0D%0A%3Esell%21%5B%2Fi%5D%22 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E--Dan %22Dark Emperor%22 DiDio%2C Comic Shop News this week %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EArd Sumhenner %0D%0A%3Ethat Janice chick %0D%0A%3EUsual Suspect and general menace %0D%0A%0D%0AGreat.  Now I%27m feeling even more marginalized.%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0ACancels the one DC comic I%27ve been reading just to reboot it six months later%3F  Still printing the stuff I dropped%3F%0D%0AI must be one weird reader.
3|3|2|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Ardaniel||03:29:19|07/30/2006|Mmm.%0D%0A%0D%0AYou know%2C all this Crisis shit was intended to bring back the Silver Age shininess to the DCU.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd then%2C suddenly%2C it didn%27t do that at all.  Gee%2C I wonder if the above quote has anything to do with that.%0D%0A%0D%0AArd Sumhenner%0D%0Athat Janice chick%0D%0AUsual Suspect and general menace
4|4|3|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|StaticdashPulse||14:34:53|07/30/2006|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 03:11 PM (EST)]Fans love the angst.
5|5|4|||||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Polychrome||16:15:38|07/30/2006|%3EFans love the angst. %0D%0A%0D%0ANo%2C we don%27t.%0D%0A%0D%0APolychrome
6|6|5|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Ardaniel||19:55:34|07/30/2006|%3E%3EFans love the angst. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ENo%2C we don%27t. %0D%0A%0D%0AI dunno if we all somehow landed the hell outside DiDio%27s target demographic or %2Awhat.%2A  Wedge and I were discussing this earlier%2C and all we can figure is that 25-and-up is not in DC%27s game plan.%0D%0A%0D%0AArd Sumhenner%0D%0Athat Janice chick%0D%0AUsual Suspect and general menace
8|7|6|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|StaticdashPulse||08:33:18|07/31/2006|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 03:11 PM (EST)]%3EI dunno if we all somehow landed the hell outside DiDio%27s target %0D%0A%3Edemographic or %2Awhat.%2A  Wedge and I were discussing this earlier%2C and %0D%0A%3Eall we can figure is that 25-and-up is not in DC%27s game plan. %0D%0A%0D%0AYou say that%2C but what age group is out there buying six-figures worth of Infinite Crapfest and Civil Wank%3F  If it%27s 12-16 boys%2C I%27ll eat my Hamtaro hat.
11|8|8|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Ardaniel||16:31:59|07/31/2006|Various articles about product placements in comics %28get ready for THAT%2C too%2C by God%29 mention the %22coveted 18-to-34 male demographic.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27m guessing it%27s the emo 18-to-24s  buying up all the DC wank they can stand.  I can%27t really comment on Civil War because I%27m not sure %2AMarvel%2A knows what the fuck it%27s doing.  As a Dark Emperor%2C Quesada%27s more of a Dark Helmet type than DiDio%27s weirdly-inappropriate-but-badass Sith.%0D%0A%0D%0AArd Sumhenner%0D%0Athat Janice chick%0D%0AUsual Suspect and general menace
13|9|11|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|StaticdashPulse||18:05:36|07/31/2006|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-11 AT 03:12 PM (EST)]I honestly find the 18-to-24 number surprising%2C given that almost every person I%27ve ever seen in a comic book shop %28who wasn%27t buying Yu-Gi-Oh cards%29 in the last two years was older tham me %28and I%27m 27 as of this month%29.  Maybe I%27m just bad a guaging ages...%0D%0A%0D%0AI still find it a surprising number.
14|10|13|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Ardaniel||19:38:51|07/31/2006|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-06 AT 07:39 PM (EDT)]It might depend on your shop%2C too.  There are %2Ano%2A kids and %2Ano%2A college-age kids at my local%3B the college kids go to Jay and Silent Bob%27s Secret Stash in Westwood%2C conveniently located within walking distance of UCLA%2C and the adults at my local buy their kids%27 books at the same time as they buy their own pull%2C which is usually %2210am on Wednesdays.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AThen again%2C I think I was the only 10-year-old at my local in 1986 in Massachusetts%2C too.  Go fig.%0D%0A%0D%0AETA%3A My shop also doesn%27t deal in RPG supplements or trading cards.  These two items invariably skew the demographics.%0D%0A%0D%0AArd Sumhenner%0D%0Athat Janice chick%0D%0AUsual Suspect and general menace
7|1|0|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Gryphon||22:00:48|07/30/2006|As the poet said%2C %22You can%27t shake the devil%27s hand and say you%27re only kidding.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Admin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A
9|2|7|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Peter Eng||13:06:26|07/31/2006|Reading between the lines%2C I think Moore%27s saying%2C %22I had a bad mood%2C I wrote a miniseries%2C and I think that screwed up comics for the next twenty-plus years.%22%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0AI%27m only a Charter Member because of the DCForum upgrade%2C and because there%27s no rank below %22Clueless F%21wit.%22
10|3|9|||||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Polychrome||14:37:22|07/31/2006|Yeah%2C and saying %22Oops%2C my bad.%22 doesn%27t really cut it.%0D%0A%0D%0APolychrome%0D%0A
12|3|9|||||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|ratinox||17:08:38|07/31/2006|%3EReading between the lines%2C I think Moore%27s saying%2C %22I had a bad mood%2C %0D%0A%3EI wrote a miniseries%2C and I think that screwed up comics for the next %0D%0A%3Etwenty-plus years.%22 %0D%0A%0D%0AAlan Moore is to comics as Hideaki Anno is to anime.
15|4|12|||||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Moonsword||21:06:02|07/31/2006|So what we need to do make it enjoyable is to lock Gryphon in a small room with a computer%2C a chemical toilet%2C a copy of Infinite Crisis%2C and an infinite supply of Mountain Dew and not let him out until he produces Infinite Exodus%3F
16|5|15|||1||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Gryphon||21:10:26|07/31/2006|%3ESo what we need to do make it enjoyable is to lock Gryphon in a small %0D%0A%3Eroom with a computer%2C a chemical toilet%2C a copy of Infinite Crisis%2C %0D%0A%3Eand an infinite supply of Mountain Dew and not let him out until he %0D%0A%3Eproduces Infinite Exodus%3F %0D%0A%0D%0ADon%27t try it.  I%27ll pretend to have produced it%2C then shank you with a meat fork when you let me out.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Admin%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0A
17|6|16|||||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Star Ranger4||02:42:53|08/05/2006|%3EDon%27t try it.  I%27ll pretend to have produced it%2C then shank you with a %0D%0A%3Emeat fork when you let me out. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0AWhew.  Besides%2C I%27d rather see you inspired to produce more UF goodness than be tortured into that sysiphian task.
18|6|16|||||RE%3A Alan Moore on Watchmen...|Moonsword||10:31:37|08/07/2006|%2Abursts out laughing%2A%0D%0A%0D%0AThanks%2C that just made my day%2C Gryphon.  You should use that line in a story sometime.%0D%0A%0D%0A%2Acontinues snickering%2A