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0|0|0|||||Wow...|Laudre||00:37:15|02/22/2002|About thirty hours ago%2C I posted the first chapter of the %5Bi%5DEvangelion%5B%2Fi%5D revisionist fic I%27ve been cowriting%2C %5Blink%3Awww.drelau.com%2Fcreations%2Feva-d%2F%7CEvangelion Densetsu%5D.%0D%0A%0D%0ASince then%2C I%27ve been publicly flamed and%2For accused of rampant Mary Sue-ism %5Bi%5Dfive times%5B%2Fi%5D %28and possibly more%2C since the last time I checked%29%2C for having the audacity to replace Shinji.%0D%0A%0D%0AMan%2C I should%27ve done this %5Bi%5Dyears%5B%2Fi%5D ago.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean --%0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.thebrokenlink.org%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebrokenlink.org%5D %5Bb%5DThe Broken Link 4.0 is live%21%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Flaudre%2F%7CFollow my random thoughts%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D
1|1|0|||||RE%3A Wow...|Shadowhavoc||00:42:22|02/22/2002|What%27s Mary Sue-ism%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Only follow the rules that make sense.%22
2|2|1|||||RE%3A Wow...|Loremaster||00:49:01|02/22/2002| A Mary Sue is a fanfiction original character who eclipses the original canon characters in a very flashy way%2C can do no wrong%2C and is overall very good looking%2Fkicks a lot of ass. They tend to fall for the lead character or whoever happens to be really good looking... stuff like that. %0D%0A%0D%0AI%27m not being eloquent here%2C but then I%27m not feeling quite so good. Anyway%2C I%27m Laudre%27s cowriter%2C and I%27ve been staying out of the flamage as much as I can. I%27m highly sensitive and I don%27t work well when flamed. %0D%0A%0D%0ASeeing%2C however%2C that almost all the Children are replaced in that fic%2C calling one of them a Mary Sue is like saying Wesley Crusher is one. %0D%0A%0D%0AWait. He is one. Oh well.%0D%0A%0D%0ALore%3A %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.evanescentangst.net%7Cartist%5D%2C %5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%7Cwriter%5D%2C %5Blink%3Awww.megatokyo.com%7Chopeless online comic fangirl%5D%2C %5Blink%3Awww.penny-arcade.com%7Cshameless Tycho%2FGabe shipper%5D. Obsessed %5Blink%3Awww.radiohead.com%7CRadiohead%5D fan%3B %5Blink%3Awww.jonnygreenwood.net%7CJonny Greenwood%5D groupie wannabe.%0D%0ANot a rabid crack weasel. Yet.%0D%0A%5Bi%5D%22Our guitars are more clitoris substitutes than phallus ones. We stroke them in a nicer%2C gentler way.%22%5B%2Fi%5D -Jonny Greenwood
3|2|1|||||RE%3A Wow...|donnerjack||02:05:33|02/22/2002|%3EWhat%27s Mary Sue-ism%3F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%22Only follow the rules that make sense.%22 %0D%0A%0D%0AThere%27s a thread about this in the archives%2C basically a discussion of whether DJ from NXE is a Mary Sue character%2C and what the attributes of a Mary Sue are%2C how you can spot Mary Sues in your neighborhood%2C that sort of thing.  MegaZone posted something in that thread that explains things pretty well%2C so I%27d just recommend looking it up.%0D%0A%0D%0ADonnerjack%0D%0A--%0D%0Areality%40peoplearestrange.net%0D%0ABOFH to www.astralstudios.com
4|1|0|||||RE%3A Wow...|Matrix Dragon||21:13:00|02/24/2002|%3EAbout thirty hours ago%2C I posted the first chapter of the %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5DEvangelion%5B%2Fi%5D revisionist fic I%27ve been cowriting%2C %0D%0A%3E%5Blink%3Awww.drelau.com%2Fcreations%2Feva-d%2F%7CEvangelion Densetsu%5D. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ESince then%2C I%27ve been publicly flamed and%2For accused of rampant Mary %0D%0A%3ESue-ism %5Bi%5Dfive times%5B%2Fi%5D %28and possibly more%2C since the last time I %0D%0A%3Echecked%29%2C for having the audacity to replace Shinji. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EMan%2C I should%27ve done this %5Bi%5Dyears%5B%2Fi%5D ago. %0D%0A%0D%0AActually%2C I quite liked it. That was one of the things I liked about NXE%2C and now ED. Instead of the anime version of Shinji%2C we have someone with actual combat experience%2C even though they have no training in Unit-01. Let me know when you get chapter two done.%0D%0A%0D%0AMatrix Dragon%2C RCW %23123%0D%0A%22We did it Gir%2C we saved the Earth%21 Now%2C let%27s go destroy it.%22%0D%0A%22Yay%21%22%0D%0A- Zim and Gir
5|2|4|||||RE%3A Wow...|Laudre||21:26:46|02/24/2002|%3EActually%2C I quite liked it. That was one of the things I liked about %0D%0A%3ENXE%2C and now ED. Instead of the anime version of Shinji%2C we have %0D%0A%3Esomeone with actual combat experience%2C even though they have no %0D%0A%3Etraining in Unit-01. Let me know when you get chapter two done. %0D%0A%0D%0AThanks %3A%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs for the criticisms we%27ve gotten%2C they all boil down to%2C essentially%2C %22This isn%27t the kind of %5Bi%5DNGE%5B%2Fi%5D fanfic I want to read.%22  And usually followed by a request to write in Shinji and%2For Rei%2C which won%27t be happening%2C as while Rei would be interesting to write%2C we%27ve already got a Rei-analog%2C and I have %5Bi%5Dzero%5B%2Fi%5D interest in writing Shinji%2C particularly anime Shinji.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean --%0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.thebrokenlink.org%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebrokenlink.org%5D %5Bb%5DThe Broken Link 4.0 is live%21%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Flaudre%2F%7CFollow my random thoughts%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D
6|3|5|||||RE%3A Wow...|TRB||18:38:38|02/25/2002|%0D%0A%3EThanks %3A%29. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EAs for the criticisms we%27ve gotten%2C they all boil down to%2C %0D%0A%3Eessentially%2C %22This isn%27t the kind of %5Bi%5DNGE%5B%2Fi%5D fanfic I want to %0D%0A%3Eread.%22  And usually followed by a request to write in Shinji and%2For %0D%0A%3ERei%2C which won%27t be happening%2C as while Rei would be interesting to %0D%0A%3Ewrite%2C we%27ve already got a Rei-analog%2C and I have %5Bi%5Dzero%5B%2Fi%5D interest %0D%0A%3Ein writing Shinji%2C particularly anime Shinji. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E-- Sean -- %0D%0A%0D%0AIndeed. Keep that snivelly mofo AWAY FROM ME. %0D%0A%0D%0ATRB%0D%0A%0D%0AWould shoot anime-Shinji on sight%2C with or without the help of%0D%0Athe Crack Weasel%0D%0AArmy%0D%0A%0D%0A%22You are... what you do... when it counts.%22 -The Masao
7|4|6|||||RE%3A Wow...|Matrix Dragon||21:21:08|02/25/2002|%3EWould shoot anime-Shinji on sight%2C with or without the help of %0D%0A%3Ethe Crack Weasel %0D%0A%3EArmy %0D%0A%0D%0AHere%2C have a sniper rifle.%0D%0A%0D%0AMatrix Dragon%2C RCW %23123%0D%0A%22We did it Gir%2C we saved the Earth%21 Now%2C let%27s go destroy it.%22%0D%0A%22Yay%21%22%0D%0A- Zim and Gir
15|4|6|||||RE%3A Wow...|Sinapus||12:36:48|02/26/2002|%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EThanks %3A%29. %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EAs for the criticisms we%27ve gotten%2C they all boil down to%2C %0D%0A%3E%3Eessentially%2C %22This isn%27t the kind of %5Bi%5DNGE%5B%2Fi%5D fanfic I want to %0D%0A%3E%3Eread.%22  And usually followed by a request to write in Shinji and%2For %0D%0A%3E%3ERei%2C which won%27t be happening%2C as while Rei would be interesting to %0D%0A%3E%3Ewrite%2C we%27ve already got a Rei-analog%2C and I have %5Bi%5Dzero%5B%2Fi%5D interest %0D%0A%3E%3Ein writing Shinji%2C particularly anime Shinji. %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3E-- Sean -- %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EIndeed. Keep that snivelly mofo AWAY FROM ME. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ETRB %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EWould shoot anime-Shinji on sight%2C with or without the help of %0D%0A%3Ethe Crack Weasel %0D%0A%3EArmy %0D%0A%0D%0AActually%2C my impulse is to slap him silly and yell %22GET OVER YOURSELF%21 SHEESH%21%22%0D%0A%0D%0AThat might be counterproductive%2C though.%0D%0A%0D%0APatrick Chester%0D%0A%22...could you and your associates arrange that for me%2C Mr. Morden%3F%22
8|1|0|||||RE%3A Wow...|Star Ranger4||22:41:29|02/25/2002|%3EAbout thirty hours ago%2C I posted the first chapter of the %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5DEvangelion%5B%2Fi%5D revisionist fic I%27ve been cowriting%2C %0D%0A%3E%5Blink%3Awww.drelau.com%2Fcreations%2Feva-d%2F%7CEvangelion Densetsu%5D. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ESince then%2C I%27ve been publicly flamed and%2For accused of rampant Mary %0D%0A%3ESue-ism %5Bi%5Dfive times%5B%2Fi%5D %28and possibly more%2C since the last time I %0D%0A%3Echecked%29%2C for having the audacity to replace Shinji. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EMan%2C I should%27ve done this %5Bi%5Dyears%5B%2Fi%5D ago. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%3A%3AReads%3A%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AYou have GOT to be kidding me%2C Sean%21  THIS got you flamed%3F  Accused of Mary-Sue-ism%3F%3F  Gaa%2C what a bunch of brainless people.  I really only see two major changes%3A  1%29 the third child is raised by a family who cares%3B and knows what she must become to some extent%2C and 2%29 you swaped the genders of the first and third children %28and presumably the second and fourth as well%29.  I%27ve Yet to see anything that could be construed as MS ism%21%0D%0A%0D%0AIf its any consolation%2C these are probobly the same brainless geeks who lashed out at Gryph when he wrote NXE and replaced Shinji with DJ.%0D%0A%0D%0A___________________%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5DOf COURSE you wern%27t expecting it%21%21%5B%2Fi%5D NO ONE %5Bi%5Dexpects the %5Bb%5DFannish Inquisition%21%21%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0AEPU RCW %2386%5B%2Fi%5D 
9|2|8|||||RE%3A Wow...|Laudre||23:07:36|02/25/2002|%3EYou have GOT to be kidding me%2C Sean%21%0D%0A%0D%0AIf only.%0D%0A%0D%0AOTOH%2C as I said after reading the flames I got%2C I said%2C %22If I%27m pissing this many people off%2C I must be doing %5Bi%5Dsomething%5B%2Fi%5D right.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E  THIS got you flamed%3F  Accused of %0D%0A%3EMary-Sue-ism%3F%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AYep.  I think it%27s a kneejerk reaction to anyone replacing Shinji%2C especially replacing him with someone remotely capable.  People kept telling me to take it down and rewrite it with Shinji.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E  Gaa%2C what a bunch of brainless people.  I really only %0D%0A%3Esee two major changes%3A  1%29 the third child is raised by a family who %0D%0A%3Ecares%3B and knows what she must become to some extent%2C and 2%29 you %0D%0A%3Eswaped the genders of the first and third children %28and presumably the %0D%0A%3Esecond and fourth as well%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AThere%27s reasons for the gender changes that go beyond simply altering the dynamic of the relationship between the First and Third Children.  You%27ll see that when we introduce the other Children%2C and when we start delving into the deeper underlying mythology.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EIf its any consolation%2C these are probobly the same brainless geeks %0D%0A%3Ewho lashed out at Gryph when he wrote NXE and replaced Shinji with DJ. %0D%0A%0D%0AThat%27s part of the reason I posted this here %3A%29.  I%27m understanding the nature of the flames that Gryph %26 co. got over NXE%2C and many of the people who even showed up here to criticize the series.%0D%0A%0D%0AThough%2C to be fair%2C I can%27t blame someone for accusing first-season DJ of MS-ism%2C considering how he was in those first ten stories.  It doesn%27t stand up once you get into second-season NXE%2C and we start understanding more about DJ %28there%27s that enormously huge thread from when the boards first opened in which we dissected all the pro%2Fanti-DJ arguments%2C probably in the archives by now%2C if you want to see that in action%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean --%0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.thebrokenlink.org%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebrokenlink.org%5D %5Bb%5DThe Broken Link 4.0 is live%21%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Flaudre%2F%7CFollow my random thoughts%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D
10|3|9|||||RE%3A Wow...|Star Ranger4||04:05:08|02/26/2002|%3EThough%2C to be fair%2C I can%27t blame someone for accusing first-season DJ %0D%0A%3Eof MS-ism%2C considering how he was in those first ten stories.  It %0D%0A%3Edoesn%27t stand up once you get into second-season NXE%2C and we start %0D%0A%3Eunderstanding more about DJ %28there%27s that enormously huge thread from %0D%0A%3Ewhen the boards first opened in which we dissected all the pro%2Fanti-DJ %0D%0A%3Earguments%2C probably in the archives by now%2C if you want to see that in %0D%0A%3Eaction%29. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AI might%2C some cold night when I want some vitrol to help keep me warm. %5E_%5E%0D%0A%0D%0Athat and if I ever figure out how to work the archives correctly. %3E_%3C%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A___________________%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5DOf COURSE you wern%27t expecting it%21%21%5B%2Fi%5D NO ONE %5Bi%5Dexpects the %5Bb%5DFannish Inquisition%21%21%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0AEPU RCW %2386%5B%2Fi%5D 
11|3|9|||||RE%3A Wow...|BobSchroeck||08:14:51|02/26/2002|%3E%3E  THIS got you flamed%3F  Accused of %0D%0A%3E%3EMary-Sue-ism%3F%3F%0D%0A%3EYep.  I think it%27s a kneejerk reaction to anyone replacing Shinji%2C %0D%0A%3Eespecially replacing him with someone remotely capable.  People kept %0D%0A%3Etelling me to take it down and rewrite it with Shinji. %0D%0A%0D%0AMy advice is to take their letters down and rewrite %5Bi%5Dthem%5B%2Fi%5D with Shinji...  %3Cevil grin%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Bob%0D%0A%28Proud member of the Legion of Rabid Crack Weasels%29%0D%0A---------------%0D%0AYears ago%2C when trying to invoke the mysterious forces of the universe%2C you said%2C %22Abracadabra.%22  Today you say%2C %22Hello%2C tech support%3F%22  -- Cecil Adams
12|4|11|||||RE%3A Wow...|Laudre||08:49:22|02/26/2002|%3E%3E%3E  THIS got you flamed%3F  Accused of %0D%0A%3E%3E%3EMary-Sue-ism%3F%3F%0D%0A%3E%3EYep.  I think it%27s a kneejerk reaction to anyone replacing Shinji%2C %0D%0A%3E%3Eespecially replacing him with someone remotely capable.  People kept %0D%0A%3E%3Etelling me to take it down and rewrite it with Shinji. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EMy advice is to take their letters down and rewrite %5Bi%5Dthem%5B%2Fi%5D with %0D%0A%3EShinji...  %3Cevil grin%3E %0D%0A%0D%0A%22I mustn%27t run away%21  I mustn%27t run away%21%22%0D%0A%0D%0AOr maybe%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A%22What%2C like I%27m going to just write the fic everyone tells me to%3F  Who am I%2C Shinji Ikari%3F%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%28I am %5Bi%5Dnot%5B%2Fi%5D an anime-Shinji fan%3B while he fit the tale Anno was telling%2C and I like the fact that he%27s so far from the conventional mecha hero%2C I don%27t have any reason to like or respect him on a personal level%2C mostly because Anno gives me no reason %5Bi%5Dat all%5B%2Fi%5D to do so.  Manga-Shinji%2C OTOH%2C I actually like and even empathize with%2C to a degree%2C because he actually shows hints of%2C y%27know%2C having a %5Bi%5Dspine%5B%2Fi%5D.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean --%0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.thebrokenlink.org%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebrokenlink.org%5D %5Bb%5DThe Broken Link 4.0 is live%21%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Flaudre%2F%7CFollow my random thoughts%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D
13|3|9|||||RE%3A Wow...|remande||10:51:29|02/26/2002|%3E%3E  THIS got you flamed%3F  Accused of %0D%0A%3E%3EMary-Sue-ism%3F%3F%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EYep.  I think it%27s a kneejerk reaction to anyone replacing Shinji%2C %0D%0A%3Eespecially replacing him with someone remotely capable.  People kept %0D%0A%3Etelling me to take it down and rewrite it with Shinji. %0D%0A%0D%0AI wonder%2C if somebody wrote an NXE fanfic and replaced anime-Shinji with manga-Shinji%2C would this be called Mary-Sue-ism%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%22We%27ve replaced anime-Shinji with manga-Shinji%2C with our patented backbone-crystals.  Let%27s see if anyone notices.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A     --rR%0D%0ARabid Crack Weasel %23625%0D%0A
14|4|13|||||RE%3A Wow...|Shadowhavoc||11:28:47|02/26/2002|%3E%3E%3E  THIS got you flamed%3F  Accused of %0D%0A%3E%3E%3EMary-Sue-ism%3F%3F%0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EYep.  I think it%27s a kneejerk reaction to anyone replacing Shinji%2C %0D%0A%3E%3Eespecially replacing him with someone remotely capable.  People kept %0D%0A%3E%3Etelling me to take it down and rewrite it with Shinji. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EI wonder%2C if somebody wrote an NXE fanfic and replaced anime-Shinji %0D%0A%3Ewith manga-Shinji%2C would this be called Mary-Sue-ism%3F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%22We%27ve replaced anime-Shinji with manga-Shinji%2C with our patented %0D%0A%3Ebackbone-crystals.  Let%27s see if anyone notices.%22 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0AHmm%2C theres always somebody who%27s gonna complain about something.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Maybe they have gold fillings or something%21 This is an adventure%2C damn it%21 I demand financial rewards for acts of homicide%21%22
16|4|13|||||RE%3A Wow...|Laudre||15:16:44|02/26/2002|%3EI wonder%2C if somebody wrote an NXE fanfic and replaced anime-Shinji %0D%0A%3Ewith manga-Shinji%2C would this be called Mary-Sue-ism%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AEr... except that%2C in %5Bi%5DNXE%5B%2Fi%5D%2C the Shinji that %28eventually%29 shows up %5Bi%5Dis%5B%2Fi%5D manga-Shinji.  The fact that a%29 he has a spine and b%29 he was living with an uncle and aunt and not a teacher prior to his father bringing him to Worcester-3 kinda give that away.%0D%0A%0D%0ADo you mean %5Bi%5DNGE%5B%2Fi%5D fanfic%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%22We%27ve replaced anime-Shinji with manga-Shinji%2C with our patented %0D%0A%3Ebackbone-crystals.  Let%27s see if anyone notices.%22 %0D%0A%0D%0A%22We%27ve replaced this man%27s blood with Folger%27s Crystals.  Let%27s see if he notices the difference.%22%0D%0A%22%2Ahrrrrk%2A%22%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean --%0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.thebrokenlink.org%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebrokenlink.org%5D %5Bb%5DThe Broken Link 4.0 is live%21%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Flaudre%2F%7CFollow my random thoughts%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D
17|3|9|||||RE%3A Wow...|Peter Eng||01:22:42|02/27/2002|%3E%0D%0A%3EYep.  I think it%27s a kneejerk reaction to anyone replacing Shinji%2C %0D%0A%3Eespecially replacing him with someone remotely capable.  People kept %0D%0A%3Etelling me to take it down and rewrite it with Shinji. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C if they%27re such wonderful writers that they can tell you what to do%2C why are they whining at you%3F  They can go write their own damn fanfic.%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0ADisclaimer%3A  This Evangelion fanfiction does not contain Shinji Ikari.  If you are looking for a carefully written homage to Anno%27s vision%2C you%27re in the wrong place.  You%27ll find what you%27re looking for over at %5Bfont color%3D%220000ff%22%5D%5Bu%5Dthis other site.%5B%2Fu%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D
18|4|17|||||RE%3A Wow...|Laudre||01:47:12|02/27/2002|%3EWell%2C if they%27re such wonderful writers that they can tell you what to %0D%0A%3Edo%2C why are they whining at you%3F  They can go write their own damn %0D%0A%3Efanfic. %0D%0A%0D%0A%2Asnerk%2A Most of the time%2C that%27s not really much of a criticism -- I can%2C say%2C criticize a film director%27s work without having to necessarily be able to direct a film well myself%2C or criticize a musician%27s work without necessarily being a musician myself -- but given that the majority of the flameage I%27ve gotten thus far has been on ff.net%2C this does seem appropriate %5E_%5E.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean --%0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.thebrokenlink.org%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebrokenlink.org%5D %5Bb%5DThe Broken Link 4.0 is live%21%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Flaudre%2F%7CFollow my random thoughts%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D
19|5|18|||||RE%3A Wow...|Mephron||10:44:49|02/27/2002|%3Ebut %0D%0A%3Egiven that the majority of the flameage I%27ve gotten thus far has been %0D%0A%3Eon ff.net%2C this does seem appropriate %5E_%5E. %0D%0A%0D%0A%22Nowhere on the Internet will you find a more wretched hive of scum%2C villiany%2C and badly written yaoi and yuri fanfic%2C much less the other stuff.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%28A friend of mine is somewhat scarred having found some Fushigi Yuugi fanfic there that apparently should have been marked %27yaoi%27 and wasn%27t.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--%0D%0AGeoff Depew - Mephron%0D%0AHaberdasher to Androids%2C Malakite of Lightning and Angel of Tech Support Professionals %0D%0AEPU RCW %231
20|6|19|||||RE%3A Wow...|Laudre||16:12:59|02/27/2002|%3E%28A friend of mine is somewhat scarred having found some Fushigi Yuugi %0D%0A%3Efanfic there that apparently should have been marked %27yaoi%27 and %0D%0A%3Ewasn%27t.%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AMy cowriter is into yaoi in a big way.%0D%0A%0D%0AFortunately%2C she has no intention of trying to add some to Eva-D.  %28In fact%2C last night%2C we were joking about the cast getting squicked by a hypothetical yaoi-related scene she might script.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean --%0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.thebrokenlink.org%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebrokenlink.org%5D %5Bb%5DThe Broken Link 4.0 is live%21%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Flaudre%2F%7CFollow my random thoughts%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D
21|7|20|||||RE%3A Wow...|donnerjack||17:52:03|02/27/2002|%3E%3E%28A friend of mine is somewhat scarred having found some Fushigi Yuugi %0D%0A%3E%3Efanfic there that apparently should have been marked %27yaoi%27 and %0D%0A%3E%3Ewasn%27t.%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EMy cowriter is into yaoi in a big way. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EFortunately%2C she has no intention of trying to add some to Eva-D.  %28In %0D%0A%3Efact%2C last night%2C we were joking about the cast getting squicked by a %0D%0A%3Ehypothetical yaoi-related scene she might script.%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AForgive my ignorance%2C but what%27s yaoi%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0ADonnerjack%0D%0A--%0D%0Areality%40peoplearestrange.net%0D%0ABOFH to www.astralstudios.com
22|8|21|||||RE%3A Wow...|Wedge||18:17:12|02/27/2002|%3EForgive my ignorance%2C but what%27s yaoi%3F %0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fotakugirl.topcities.com%2Ffics%2Fterms.htm%0D%0A%0D%0AGoogle is your friend.  %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fwedge%2Fstuff%2Fnall.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DChad Collier%0D%0ADigital Bitch%0D%0AJ. Random VFX Company%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%230000CC%5DRCW %231138%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
23|9|22|||||RE%3A Wow...|donnerjack||18:34:49|02/27/2002|%3E%3EForgive my ignorance%2C but what%27s yaoi%3F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3Ehttp%3A%2F%2Fotakugirl.topcities.com%2Ffics%2Fterms.htm %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EGoogle is your friend.  %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AOh%2C nifty%2C I%27ve been looking for something like that.  Muchos gracias.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0ADonnerjack%0D%0A--%0D%0Areality%40peoplearestrange.net%0D%0ABOFH to www.astralstudios.com
24|10|23|||||RE%3A Wow...|Astynax||21:18:19|02/27/2002|%3E%3E%3EForgive my ignorance%2C but what%27s yaoi%3F %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3Ehttp%3A%2F%2Fotakugirl.topcities.com%2Ffics%2Fterms.htm %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EGoogle is your friend.  %3A%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EOh%2C nifty%2C I%27ve been looking for something like that.  Muchos gracias. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%3A%3Ablinkblink%3A%3A oh%2C you mean the %5Bb%5Dweb site%5B%2Fb%5D... %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%222%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fmembers.aol.com%2Ferulogos%2Fgfx%2Fxsig.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5D%5BFONT SIZE%3D%222%22 COLOR%3D%22%23000000%22%5D%5Bb%5D-%3D%7B%28Astynax%29%7D%3D-%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Bi%5D%22Time for the Mental Floss again...%22%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%222%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D%5B%2Fp%5D
26|8|21|||||RE%3A Wow...|Loremaster||23:46:28|02/27/2002|%3EForgive my ignorance%2C but what%27s yaoi%3F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EDonnerjack %0D%0A%3E-- %0D%0A%3Ereality%40peoplearestrange.net %0D%0A%3EBOFH to www.astralstudios.com %0D%0A%0D%0AYaoi is homoerotic anime fan fiction. Mostly graphic. The not-so graphic PG-13 stuff is called shonen-ai. Yuri is the lesbian equivalent%2C and the PG-13 stuff is shojo-ai. As a writer%2C I find yaoi pretty damn good if written right%2C although lately I have preferred original writing as opposed to fanfiction. I%27ve gotten burned by several fandoms full of vindictive writers%2C as Laudre can attest to%2C and now go it on my own.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd I%27ve never had a problem with yaoi written properly and well done. What I absolutely loathe is totally inappropriate stuff%2C badly written%2C badly plotted%2C which is just a glorified excuse for characters shagging. That applies to any kind of mature NC-17 fiction%2Ffanfiction%2C not just yaoi or yuri.%0D%0A%0D%0ADon%27t worry. As Laudre%27s cowriter%2C I won%27t make you guys read that in Eva-D. The closest we have to it is a constant running injoke about my yaoi tendencies.%0D%0A%0D%0ALore%3A %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.evanescentangst.net%7Cartist%5D%2C %5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%7Cwriter%5D%2C %5Blink%3Awww.megatokyo.com%7Chopeless online comic fangirl%5D%2C %5Blink%3Awww.penny-arcade.com%7Cshameless Tycho%2FGabe shipper%5D. Obsessed %5Blink%3Awww.radiohead.com%7CRadiohead%5D fan%3B %5Blink%3Awww.jonnygreenwood.net%7CJonny Greenwood%5D groupie wannabe.%0D%0ANot a rabid crack weasel. Yet.%0D%0A%5Bi%5D%22Our guitars are more clitoris substitutes than phallus ones. We stroke them in a nicer%2C gentler way.%22%5B%2Fi%5D -Jonny Greenwood
28|5|18|||||RE%3A Wow...|Peter Eng||01:23:18|02/28/2002|%3E%3EWell%2C if they%27re such wonderful writers that they can tell you what to %0D%0A%3E%3Edo%2C why are they whining at you%3F  They can go write their own damn %0D%0A%3E%3Efanfic. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%2Asnerk%2A Most of the time%2C that%27s not really much of a criticism -- I %0D%0A%3Ecan%2C say%2C criticize a film director%27s work without having to %0D%0A%3Enecessarily be able to direct a film well myself%2C or criticize a %0D%0A%3Emusician%27s work without necessarily being a musician myself -- but %0D%0A%3Egiven that the majority of the flameage I%27ve gotten thus far has been %0D%0A%3Eon ff.net%2C this does seem appropriate %5E_%5E. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27m not talking about criticism.  Criticism%2C IMO%2C covers things like poor characterization%2C bad plot%2C bad pacing%2C et cetera.  But comments like %22Take it down and rewrite it with Shinji%2C%22 aren%27t criticism.%0D%0A%0D%0ASaying%2C %22This attempt to walk away from the core of Neon Genesis Evangelion shows why Shinji Ikari is truly the pivotal character in Hideaki Anno%27s %5Bi%5Dmagnum opus.%5B%2Fi%5D  Removing him creates a story which is not NGE%2C in spite of having the same concepts%2C and is less entertaining to boot%2C%22 that%27s criticism.%0D%0A%0D%0ASaying%2C %22I don%27t like what you did%2C you need to rewrite it like this%2C and this%2C and this%2C%22 is back-seat driving.%0D%0A%0D%0ABut enough said about this.  A thread on Evangelion fanfic and its critics is about as calm and relaxing as a thread on gun control.%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0ANanotech reporting fatal error in user.%0D%0ABury%2C Cremate%2C Hide%3F%0D%0A%5Bblink%5D_%5B%2Fblink%5D
30|6|28|||||RE%3A Wow...|juniper||12:16:25|02/28/2002|%3EBut enough said about this.  A thread on Evangelion fanfic and its %0D%0A%3Ecritics is about as calm and relaxing as a thread on gun control. %0D%0A%0D%0ADon%27t anybody start on this.  Really.%0D%0A%5Btable%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D2 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd width%3D%2265%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.dragonmage.net%2Fimages%2Fifurita_line_drawing-small.gif%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5D%5Bfont color%3D%22%230000dd%22%5DJuniper%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23000088%22 size%3D-1%5DRampaging Karateka Crypto-Kwavu%27b Contributing Editor%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23000088%22 size%3D-1%5DEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%230044aa%22 size%3D-1%5D%5Bi%5DBecause why be %5Bb%5Dordinary%5B%2Fb%5D in your choice of hobbies%3F%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D1 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%0D%0A%5B%2Ftable%5D%0D%0A
31|7|30|||||RE%3A Wow...|Star Ranger4||18:49:46|02/28/2002|%3E%3EBut enough said about this.  A thread on Evangelion fanfic and its %0D%0A%3E%3Ecritics is about as calm and relaxing as a thread on gun control. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EDon%27t anybody start on this.  Really. %0D%0A%0D%0ATell me about it...  As Tom Lherer%28%3FSP%3F%29 said%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5D %22Religion and Politics tend to make people loose all composure...%22 %5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0Aof late%2C Guns seem to have fallen into the later category.%0D%0A%0D%0A___________________%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5DOf COURSE you wern%27t expecting it%21%21%5B%2Fi%5D NO ONE %5Bi%5Dexpects the %5Bb%5DFannish Inquisition%21%21%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0AEPU RCW %2386%5B%2Fi%5D 
25|4|17|||||RE%3A Wow...|Matrix Dragon||21:25:22|02/27/2002|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-02 AT 09:26 PM (EST)[/font][p]%3EWell%2C if they%27re such wonderful writers that they can tell you what to %0D%0A%3Edo%2C why are they whining at you%3F  They can go write their own damn %0D%0A%3Efanfic. %0D%0A%0D%0AHeh%2C I%27ve actually used that response on several occasions. Really pisses them off. Serves them right for sending me nothing but abuse. But why is it that a fic based off any other series can do nearly anything they like%2C but an Eva fic has to be done in a certain way or be %5Bi%5Dwrong%5B%2Fi%5D%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AMatrix Dragon%2C RCW %23123%0D%0A%22Why else would they want to kill me%3F%22%0D%0A%22Is this a multiple choice question%3F%22%0D%0A- Bester and Ivanova %28Babylon 5%29
27|5|25|||||RE%3A Wow...|Peter Eng||01:12:34|02/28/2002|%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EWell%2C if they%27re such wonderful writers that they can tell you what to %0D%0A%3E%3Edo%2C why are they whining at you%3F  They can go write their own damn %0D%0A%3E%3Efanfic. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EHeh%2C I%27ve actually used that response on several occasions. Really %0D%0A%3Episses them off. Serves them right for sending me nothing but abuse. %0D%0A%3EBut why is it that a fic based off any other series can do nearly %0D%0A%3Eanything they like%2C but an Eva fic has to be done in a certain way or %0D%0A%3Ebe %5Bi%5Dwrong%5B%2Fi%5D%3F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0ABased on the %28thankfully very few%29 Evangelion fic-related flames I%27ve seen%2C it appears that Anno Is A Prophet%2C And Thou Shalt Not Mess With His Vision.%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0AThe problem with things like %22RCW%22 or %22ESPN%22 is misinterpreting them%2C with results like %22Revised Code of Washington%22 or %22Extra Sensory Perception Network.%22
29|6|27|||||RE%3A Wow...|Mephron||10:44:12|02/28/2002|%3EBased on the %28thankfully very few%29 Evangelion fic-related flames I%27ve %0D%0A%3Eseen%2C it appears that Anno Is A Prophet%2C And Thou Shalt Not Mess With %0D%0A%3EHis Vision. %0D%0A%0D%0AMan%2C they%27re gonna HATE the next Chessmen arc%2C then.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28Giant Robo vs. EVA-01.  Coming soon.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--%0D%0AGeoff Depew - Mephron%0D%0AHaberdasher to Androids%2C Malakite of Lightning and Angel of Tech Support Professionals %0D%0AEPU RCW %231
32|7|29|||||RE%3A Wow...|Matrix Dragon||22:49:10|02/28/2002|%3E%3EBased on the %28thankfully very few%29 Evangelion fic-related flames I%27ve %0D%0A%3E%3Eseen%2C it appears that Anno Is A Prophet%2C And Thou Shalt Not Mess With %0D%0A%3E%3EHis Vision. %0D%0A%0D%0ARight%2C got it.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EMan%2C they%27re gonna HATE the next Chessmen arc%2C then. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%28Giant Robo vs. EVA-01.  Coming soon.%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AALL RIGHT%21%21 %28Pulls up a seat and a big bag of chips%2C while setting up a huge sound system%29 This%27ll be good.%0D%0A%0D%0AMatrix Dragon%2C RCW %23123%0D%0A%22Why else would they want to kill me%3F%22%0D%0A%22Is this a multiple choice question%3F%22%0D%0A- Bester and Ivanova %28Babylon 5%29