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0|0|0|||||Quick Question|Shadowhavoc||19:26:31|03/23/2002|This thought entered my head while I was scribbling a rough draft..%0D%0A%0D%0AHave Ex-Special Forces commandos become overused in action-adventure stories%3F It%27s not like Mack Bolan%2C or John DiNatale or Rambo were just common grunts or even Rangers%2C from all the literature I%27ve read and most movies %28the exceptions are Navy SEALS or something%2C still ultra-elite%29 I%27ve seen%2C it seems that all the main protagonists are some kinda of Green Beret or some such nonsense. 
1|1|0|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Nathan||20:14:09|03/23/2002|%3EHave Ex-Special Forces commandos become overused in action-adventure %0D%0A%3Estories%3F It%27s not like Mack Bolan%2C or John DiNatale or Rambo were just %0D%0A%3Ecommon grunts or even Rangers%2C from all the literature I%27ve read and %0D%0A%3Emost movies %28the exceptions are Navy SEALS or something%2C still %0D%0A%3Eultra-elite%29 I%27ve seen%2C it seems that all the main protagonists are %0D%0A%3Esome kinda of Green Beret or some such nonsense. %0D%0A%0D%0AJohn Clark%2C etc...%0D%0A%0D%0AArguable point%2C I think. And complicated by the fact that such men are one of the few groups that would be expected to have -all- the neccessary skills for an action-adventure protagonist. %28demolitions%2C guns%2C martial arts%2C etc.%29%0D%0A%0D%0ANow%2C they%27re not the -only- ones. You could build an interesting story around a an olypic marksman%2C say%2C or a martial artist %28Ramou Lazarian leaps to my mind%2C but that%27s probably just because I%27m weird.%29. But%2C IMHO%2C you%27d have to reach harder to make them more than just a one-trick pony.%0D%0A%0D%0ABlessed be.%0D%0ANathan Baxter
2|2|1|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Wedge||21:10:32|03/23/2002|%3ENow%2C they%27re not the -only- ones. You could build an interesting story %0D%0A%3Earound a an olypic marksman%2C say%2C or a martial artist %28Ramou Lazarian %0D%0A%3Eleaps to my mind%2C but that%27s probably just because I%27m weird.%29. But%2C %0D%0A%3EIMHO%2C you%27d have to reach harder to make them more than just a %0D%0A%3Eone-trick pony. %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Blink%3Aus.imdb.com%2FTitle%3F0089243%7CGymkata%21%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fwedge%2Fstuff%2Fnall.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DChad Collier%0D%0ADigital Bitch%0D%0AJ. Random VFX Company%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%230000CC%5DRCW %231138%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
3|3|2|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Nathan||22:00:53|03/23/2002|%3E%5Blink%3Aus.imdb.com%2FTitle%3F0089243%7CGymkata%21%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%2AStarrrrreeeee...%2A%0D%0A%0D%0A%2ABREAK%2A%0D%0A%0D%0ABlessed be.%0D%0ANathan Baxter%0D%0A%28Something like that%2C yes.%29
5|3|2|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Laudre||00:51:24|03/24/2002|%3E%3ENow%2C they%27re not the -only- ones. You could build an interesting story %0D%0A%3E%3Earound a an olypic marksman%2C say%2C or a martial artist %28Ramou Lazarian %0D%0A%3E%3Eleaps to my mind%2C but that%27s probably just because I%27m weird.%29. But%2C %0D%0A%3E%3EIMHO%2C you%27d have to reach harder to make them more than just a %0D%0A%3E%3Eone-trick pony. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%5Blink%3Aus.imdb.com%2FTitle%3F0089243%7CGymkata%21%5D %0D%0A%0D%0AguaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAGGHHH...%0D%0A%0D%0APlease don%27t make me relive %5Bi%5Dthat%5B%2Fi%5D agony.%0D%0A%0D%0AActually%2C what that brings to mind is %5Bi%5DThe Taking of Beverly Hills%5B%2Fi%5D.  Fun idea %28lead character is a star quarterback... he%27s utterly useless with a gun%2C but %5Bi%5Ddamn%5B%2Fi%5D%2C can he throw%29%2C weak script%2C okay execution... it%27s a good movie for a lazy Saturday afternoon%2C provided you don%27t try to watch it too often.  Sort of like %26l%3Binsert Dolph Lundgren movie here%26r%3B.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean -- %0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.drelau.com%2F%7CThe Broken Link%5D %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D %0D%0A
7|4|5|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Wedge||01:46:41|03/24/2002|%3E%3E%5Blink%3Aus.imdb.com%2FTitle%3F0089243%7CGymkata%21%5D %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EguaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAGGHHH... %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EPlease don%27t make me relive %5Bi%5Dthat%5B%2Fi%5D agony. %0D%0A%0D%0AOh%2C come on%2C there some real beauty in there if you just look.  Like how there just %5Bi%5Dhappened%5B%2Fi%5D to be a pommel horse in the town square for him to flip around on and knock all the freaks out%3F  That%27s just stretching premise to the point of art%2C man.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fwedge%2Fstuff%2Fnall.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DChad Collier%0D%0ADigital Bitch%0D%0AJ. Random VFX Company%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%230000CC%5DRCW %231138%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
10|5|7|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Laudre||02:21:28|03/24/2002|%3E%3E%3E%5Blink%3Aus.imdb.com%2FTitle%3F0089243%7CGymkata%21%5D %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EguaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAGGHHH... %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EPlease don%27t make me relive %5Bi%5Dthat%5B%2Fi%5D agony. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EOh%2C come on%2C there some real beauty in there if you just look.  Like %0D%0A%3Ehow there just %5Bi%5Dhappened%5B%2Fi%5D to be a pommel horse in the town square %0D%0A%3Efor him to flip around on and knock all the freaks out%3F  That%27s just %0D%0A%3Estretching premise to the point of art%2C man. %0D%0A%0D%0AOnce again%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AguaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAGGHHH... %0D%0A%0D%0A%28I really do make that noise whenever someone mentions %5Bi%5DGymkata%5B%2Fi%5D.  It%27s also my reaction to %5Bi%5DIndependence Day%5B%2Fi%5D.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean -- %0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.drelau.com%2F%7CThe Broken Link%5D %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D %0D%0A
11|6|10|||||RE%3A Quick Question|Sirrocco||23:16:31|03/24/2002|%3E%28I really do make that noise whenever someone mentions %5Bi%5DGymkata%5B%2Fi%5D. %0D%0A%3E It%27s also my reaction to %5Bi%5DIndependence Day%5B%2Fi%5D.%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AAw%2C man%2C %5Bi%5DIndependence Day%5B%2Fi%5D was %2Agreat%2A.  They didn%27t even pretend to be original.  You %2Agotta%2A love a movie that unabashedly stole %2Aeverything%2A. %28Only please to always be calling it %22research%22.%29  They even filched from %5Bi%5DFlight of the Navigator%5B%2Fi%5D.%0D%0A%0D%0AOkay%2C so apparently you don%27t gotta love it.  But what%27s so wrong about it%3F  It managed to be a great movie without well-developed characters or particularly good plot.  That takes real talent.%0D%0A%0D%0ASirrocco%0D%0ANo%2C no.  I only put the title on posts that I think deserve it.
12|7|11|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Nathan||00:03:54|03/25/2002|%3EAw%2C man%2C %5Bi%5DIndependence Day%5B%2Fi%5D was %2Agreat%2A.  They didn%27t even %0D%0A%3Epretend to be original.  You %2Agotta%2A love a movie that unabashedly %0D%0A%3Estole %2Aeverything%2A. %28Only please to always be calling it %22research%22.%29  %0D%0A%3EThey even filched from %5Bi%5DFlight of the Navigator%5B%2Fi%5D. %0D%0A%0D%0A%2Ashatter%2A%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EOkay%2C so apparently you don%27t gotta love it.  But what%27s so wrong %0D%0A%3Eabout it%3F  It managed to be a great movie without well-developed %0D%0A%3Echaracters or particularly good plot.  That takes real talent. %0D%0A%0D%0ADon%27t it%2C tho%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AThere are movies that are great art. There are movies that are worth thinking about.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd there are movies whose only purpose in this universe is to let you turn off your brain and enjoy the ride.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5DBlade%5B%2Fi%5D and %5Bi%5DID4%5B%2Fi%5D%2C for instance.%0D%0A%0D%0ABlessed be.%0D%0ANathan Baxter%0D%0A%28Or %5Bi%5DNinja Scroll%5B%2Fi%5D.%29
13|8|12|||||RE%3A Quick Question|goldenfire||00:25:37|03/25/2002|%3E%3E%28Only please to always be calling it %22research%22.%29  %0D%0A%0D%0Aoh...one of my favorite Tom Lehrer songs%2C even if it%27s one of the less well-known %28at least among the peopel %5Bi%5DI%5B%2Fi%5D talk to%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EAnd there are movies whose only purpose in this universe is to let you %0D%0A%3Eturn off your brain and enjoy the ride. %0D%0A%0D%0Aeye candy%2C pure and simple.%0D%0A%0D%0AActually%2C ID4 was on network TV earlier tonight.  I watched%2C and was amused at the edits-for-TV.  Yeah%2C the science still sucked%2C and the plot was laughable...but still...big bada-boom %3B%29
14|9|13|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Wedge||00:57:46|03/25/2002|%3Ebut still...big bada-boom %3B%29 %0D%0A%0D%0ANo%2C that%27s %5Bi%5DThe Fifth Element%5B%2Fi%5D.  Nyuk nyuk.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fwedge%2Fstuff%2Fnall.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DChad Collier%0D%0ADigital Bitch%0D%0AJ. Random VFX Company%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%230000CC%5DRCW %231138%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5Bi%5DI have a dog tag with that stamped on it...%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
15|7|11|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Laudre||01:41:45|03/25/2002|%3EOkay%2C so apparently you don%27t gotta love it.  But what%27s so wrong %0D%0A%3Eabout it%3F  It managed to be a great movie%0D%0A%0D%0ANo%2C it didn%27t.  It%27s a very pretty movie that%27s utterly execrable in every %5Bi%5Dother%5B%2Fi%5D way.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E without well-developed %0D%0A%3Echaracters or particularly good plot.  That takes real talent. %0D%0A%0D%0ANo%2C there was no talent involved in ID4.  That movie was so paint-by-numbers it%27s pathetic.  My %5Bi%5Dcat%5B%2Fi%5D could%27ve come up with it.  The %5Bi%5Dburrito%5B%2Fi%5D I just had as a post-Oscar-BS snack could%27ve come up with it.  %5Bi%5DEverything%5B%2Fi%5D in it was selected to appeal to the Lowest Common Denominator%2C with absolutely %5Bi%5Dno%5B%2Fi%5D attempt %5Bi%5Dat all%5B%2Fi%5D to do anything %5Bi%5Dremotely%5B%2Fi%5D unique.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5DIndependence Day%5B%2Fi%5D is %5Bi%5Deverything%5B%2Fi%5D that%27s wrong with Hollywood in one overlong%2C glitzy heap of steaming yak dung.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean -- %0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.drelau.com%2F%7CThe Broken Link%5D %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D %0D%0A
4|2|1|||||RE%3A Quick Question|Shadowhavoc||22:55:57|03/23/2002|%3EJohn Clark%2C etc... %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EArguable point%2C I think. And complicated by the fact that such men are %0D%0A%3Eone of the few groups that would be expected to have -all- the %0D%0A%3Eneccessary skills for an action-adventure protagonist. %28demolitions%2C %0D%0A%3Eguns%2C martial arts%2C etc.%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AHmm%2C I%27ve been debating on this for quite a while for a lead protagonist in one of the projects...I%27m just not sure on following a cliche%60...epsecially in a vigilante genre.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3ENow%2C they%27re not the -only- ones. You could build an interesting story %0D%0A%3Earound a an olypic marksman%2C say%2C or a martial artist %28Ramou Lazarian %0D%0A%3Eleaps to my mind%2C but that%27s probably just because I%27m weird.%29. But%2C %0D%0A%3EIMHO%2C you%27d have to reach harder to make them more than just a %0D%0A%3Eone-trick pony. %0D%0A%0D%0ASwordsmen%3F %3A%29%0D%0A
6|1|0|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Laudre||00:56:55|03/24/2002|%3EThis thought entered my head while I was scribbling a rough draft.. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EHave Ex-Special Forces commandos become overused in action-adventure %0D%0A%3Estories%3F %0D%0A%0D%0A...Honestly%2C probably%2C yes.  But even an overused idea can be freshened by giving it a unique twist.%0D%0A%0D%0AIdeas%2C ultimately%2C don%27t matter so much as the execution.%0D%0A%0D%0AFor instance%2C if you%27ve read the %5Bi%5DNemesis%5B%2Fi%5D script that cropped up on the %27net a few days ago %28and recently disappeared%2C to absolutely nobody%27s surprise%29%2C you may have come away thinking that it%27s sorta weak%2C for one stupid reason or another.  %28I read one rather nasty review on AICN.%29  When I read it%2C though%2C I found myself imagining the best possible execution%2C and the movie I watched in my mind kicked my %5Bi%5Dass%5B%2Fi%5D.  I%27m personally %5Bi%5Ddying%5B%2Fi%5D to see what the %5Bi%5DScimitar%5B%2Fi%5D looks like%2C %27cause they pulled off %5Bi%5Dthat%5B%2Fi%5D design%2C then it%27ll sell the whole picture.  Seriously.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean -- %0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.drelau.com%2F%7CThe Broken Link%5D %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D %0D%0A
8|2|6|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Wedge||01:58:33|03/24/2002|%3EFor instance%2C if you%27ve read the %5Bi%5DNemesis%5B%2Fi%5D script that cropped up %0D%0A%3Eon the %27net a few days ago %28and recently disappeared%2C to absolutely %0D%0A%3Enobody%27s surprise%29%2C you may have come away thinking that it%27s sorta %0D%0A%3Eweak%2C for one stupid reason or another.  %28I read one rather nasty %0D%0A%3Ereview on AICN.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%3CHarry Knowles rant deleted in the name of sanity.  Read Coming Attractions instead.%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EWhen I read it%2C though%2C I found myself imagining the %0D%0A%3Ebest possible execution%2C and the movie I watched in my mind kicked my %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5Dass%5B%2Fi%5D.  I%27m personally %5Bi%5Ddying%5B%2Fi%5D to see what the %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5DScimitar%5B%2Fi%5D looks like%2C %27cause they pulled off %5Bi%5Dthat%5B%2Fi%5D design%2C %0D%0A%3Ethen it%27ll sell the whole picture.  Seriously. %0D%0A%0D%0AI can%27t remember how the description read in the script %28other than the first time it%27s seen by the gang on the big %5Bi%5DE%5B%2Fi%5D%2C which would evoke a chuckle or two from just about any %5Bi%5DUF%5B%2Fi%5D fan%29%2C but%2C ahhh%2C yeah.  Neat.  I think%2C anyway.  %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.mac.com%2Fwedge%2Fstuff%2Fnall.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5DChad Collier%0D%0ADigital Bitch%0D%0AJ. Random VFX Company%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%230000CC%5DRCW %231138%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
9|3|8|||1||RE%3A Quick Question|Laudre||02:19:34|03/24/2002|%3E%3CHarry Knowles rant deleted in the name of sanity.  Read Coming %0D%0A%3EAttractions instead.%3E %0D%0A%0D%0AI do.  I only looked over at AICN because it occured to me that someone would be going off half-cocked about it %28this is AICN%2C after all%2C which just wouldn%27t be AICN without people judging things sight unseen%29%2C since it was mentioned somewhere that AICN was linking to it%2C too.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EI can%27t remember how the description read in the script %28other than %0D%0A%3Ethe first time it%27s seen by the gang on the big %5Bi%5DE%5B%2Fi%5D%2C which would %0D%0A%3Eevoke a chuckle or two from just about any %5Bi%5DUF%5B%2Fi%5D fan%29%2C but%2C ahhh%2C %0D%0A%3Eyeah.  Neat.  I think%2C anyway.  %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AThere really isn%27t much of one at any point in the script%3B I think Logan was aiming for letting the production designers do their job.  The description is intentionally vague%2C basically something along the lines of big and really badass%2Fpredatory-looking.  Along the general lines of a traditional Warbird %28which%2C I hope%2C get some neatening up for the big screen%29%2C but much nastier.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Sean -- %0D%0A%5Bb%5DRabid Crack Weasel %2342%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%22All tribal myths are true%2C for a given value of %27true%27.%22  -- Terry Pratchett %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.drelau.com%2F%7CThe Broken Link%5D %0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.livejournal.com%2Fusers%2Feva_densetsu%2F%7CFollow my creative process%5D %0D%0A