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0|0|0|||1||For Love of the Grammer Nazi|twipper||09:45:38|03/20/2014|Huffpost had an amusing article today on the %5Blink%3Awww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2014%2F03%2F19%2Feveryday-words-mispronoun_n_4986427.html%7C17 everyday words%5D most of us tend to mispronounce.  %0D%0A%0D%0AI%27d argue that it should have 18%3B Wor-ches-ter was left off the list somehow. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0AHowever%2C in the interest of full disclosure%2C I%27m guilty of the niche issue.  And I teach laboratory biology classes%2C so this is a tad unforgivable.%0D%0A%0D%0ABrian%0D%0A
1|1|0|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||09:57:58|03/20/2014|1%29 It%27s %22grammar%22.%0D%0A%0D%0A2%29 Pronunciation isn%27t grammar anyway.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G%0D%0A%5Bfont size%3D%221%22%5Dsee what I did there%3F%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
3|2|1|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|twipper||10:39:19|03/20/2014|No one here will believe me%2C but that was intentional. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0ABrian%0D%0A
2|1|0|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|laudre||09:58:07|03/20/2014|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-14 AT 09:58 AM (EDT)]%3EHuffpost had an amusing article today on the %0D%0A%3E%5Blink%3Awww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2014%2F03%2F19%2Feveryday-words-mispronoun_n_4986427.html%7C17 everyday words%5D most of us tend to mispronounce. %0D%0A%0D%0AThe mention of the Houston Street thing in NYC reminds me of something similar.%0D%0A%0D%0AIn Portland%2C Oregon%2C there%27s two local pronunciations which are similar to that%2C in that a non-local can be marked by their ignorance of it. One is the Willamette River -- not William-ette%2C but %22wilLAMette%22%2C with a short %22a%22 and stress on the second syllable.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe other is Couch Street. The uninitiated are very likely to pronounce it per the item of furniture with which it shares a spelling%2C but Portland locals know that it%27s actually pronounced the same way as a %28perhaps mildly obscure%29 slang term for female genitalia.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bhr %2F%5D%5Bsmall%5D%22Mathematics brought rigor to economics. Unfortunately%2C it also brought mortis.%22%0D%0A - Kenneth Boulding%5B%2Fsmall%5D%5Bhr %2F%5D
4|2|2|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|twipper||10:45:41|03/20/2014|The town I grew up in %28moved there just in time to start kindergarten and graduated high school from%29 was Norfolk Nebraska.  I%27m fairly certain I was the only member of my graduating class to actually consistently say Nor-folk.  The vast majority of the roughly 20K population used Nor-fork.%0D%0A%0D%0ANot surprising%2C my friends would get rather huffy with me when I%27d point out that %27r%27 is actually an %27l%27 on the Welcome to sign outside of town.%0D%0A%0D%0AI came up with two explanations%3A%0D%0A1%29 The good people of Norfolk really had it in for the letter %27l%27%2C or%0D%0A2%29 The pronunciation was a hold-over from when the town was officially North Fork%2C as in the North Fork of the Elkhorn River %28which is physically where the town is situated%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AAfter decades of careful consideration%2C I%27ve decided to go with %231.%0D%0A%0D%0ABrian%0D%0A
6|3|4|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Senji||11:11:51|03/20/2014|%3EThe town I grew up in %28moved there just in time to start kindergarten %0D%0A%3Eand graduated high school from%29 was Norfolk Nebraska.  I%27m fairly %0D%0A%3Ecertain I was the only member of my graduating class to actually %0D%0A%3Econsistently say Nor-folk.  The vast majority of the roughly 20K %0D%0A%3Epopulation used Nor-fork. %0D%0A%0D%0A The UK one is pronounced Nor-fork or Nor-f%40k depending on how rhotic the speaker is%3B I suspect that%27s the cause of the above. %3A-%29%0D%0A%0D%0AS.%0D%0A
8|4|6|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|laudre||12:43:30|03/20/2014|%3E%3EThe town I grew up in %28moved there just in time to start kindergarten %0D%0A%3E%3Eand graduated high school from%29 was Norfolk Nebraska.  I%27m fairly %0D%0A%3E%3Ecertain I was the only member of my graduating class to actually %0D%0A%3E%3Econsistently say Nor-folk.  The vast majority of the roughly 20K %0D%0A%3E%3Epopulation used Nor-fork. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E The UK one is pronounced Nor-fork or Nor-f%40k depending on how rhotic %0D%0A%3Ethe speaker is%3B I suspect that%27s the cause of the above. %3A-%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AThe one in Virginia%2C near Virginia Beach%2C has local variations including %22Norfuck%2C%22 %22Orruh%2C%22 %22Nork%22 and a couple of others.%0D%0A%0D%0AI am also reminded of the city name Newark. For the one in New Jersey%2C it%27s basically one syllable %28sounds like %22Nork%22%29. For the one Delaware -- an immediately adjacent state -- it%27s not just two syllables%3B the two syllables are pronounced with such emphasis on distinction that it sounds like two words %28%22New Ark%22%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bhr %2F%5D%5Bsmall%5D%22Mathematics brought rigor to economics. Unfortunately%2C it also brought mortis.%22%0D%0A - Kenneth Boulding%5B%2Fsmall%5D%5Bhr %2F%5D
10|5|8|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||12:55:08|03/20/2014|%3EI am also reminded of the city name Newark. For the one in New Jersey%2C %0D%0A%3Eit%27s basically one syllable %28sounds like %22Nork%22%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AUnless your flight has been diverted%2Fdelayed there.  Then it%27s pronounced %22FUCKing Newark%22%2C with very heavy emphasis on the first syllable.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
12|5|8|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|BobSchroeck||13:13:42|03/20/2014|%3EI am also reminded of the city name Newark. For the one in New Jersey%2C %0D%0A%3Eit%27s basically one syllable %28sounds like %22Nork%22%29. %0D%0A%0D%0ADepends on how far away from it you live.  More than ten or so miles%2C and it starts being pronounced %22Noork%22 %28long U sound%2C like in %22new%22%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Bob%2C%0D%0Awhose parents grew up in Irvington%2C right next to %5Bs%5DNoork%5B%2Fs%5DNewark.%0D%0A-------------------%0D%0AMy race is pacifist and does not believe in war.  We kill only out of personal spite.
29|6|12|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|JeanneHedge||21:08:43|03/20/2014|%3E%3EI am also reminded of the city name Newark. For the one in New Jersey%2C %0D%0A%3E%3Eit%27s basically one syllable %28sounds like %22Nork%22%29. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EDepends on how far away from it you live.  More than ten or so miles%2C %0D%0A%3Eand it starts being pronounced %22Noork%22 %28long U sound%2C like in %22new%22%29. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E-- Bob%2C %0D%0A%3Ewhose parents grew up in Irvington%2C right next to %5Bs%5DNoork%5B%2Fs%5DNewark. %0D%0A%0D%0AAnd if you lived in south Jersey %28south of Philly%29%2C as I did%2C it%27s %22New-erk%22.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E------------------- %0D%0A%3EMy race is pacifist and does not believe in war.  We kill only out of %0D%0A%3Epersonal spite. %0D%0A%0D%0AJeanne%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22 width%3D%2280%25%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd align%3D%22center%22 width%3D%2210%25%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%2Fmisc%2Foldowl.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5D%5Bfont size%3D2%5D%5Bb%5DJeanne Hedge%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.jhedge.com%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bi%5D%5Bfont size%3D1%5D%22Never give up%2C never surrender%21%22%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
21|4|6|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||17:03:31|03/20/2014|%3E The UK one is pronounced Nor-fork or Nor-f%40k depending on how rhotic %0D%0A%3Ethe speaker is%3B I suspect that%27s the cause of the above. %3A-%29 %0D%0A%0D%0ANo.  I refuse to believe that anyone pronounces it %22norfatk%22.%0D%0A%0D%0ASpeaking of which%2C there%27s a visiting student from the north of England in one of my classes at UMaine this semester.  She%27s great.  Has that full-dress Professor Brian Cox accent%2C the kind where words like %22thing%22 have a distinctly audible second syllable.  I keep wanting to try and engineer a situation in class discussion where she%27ll have to say %22geyser%22 so I can find out if she pronounces it %22geezer%22.  I bet she does. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
23|5|21|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|zwol||17:15:40|03/20/2014|%3E%3E The UK one is pronounced Nor-fork or Nor-f%40k depending on how rhotic %0D%0A%3E%3Ethe speaker is%3B I suspect that%27s the cause of the above. %3A-%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ENo.  I refuse to believe that anyone pronounces it %22norfatk%22. %0D%0A%0D%0AI believe Senji meant %2F%CB%88n%C9%94rf%C9%99k%2F.
60|6|23|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Vorticity||20:04:25|03/21/2014|I think you meant s%2Fnorfatk%2F%CB%88n%C9%94rf%C9%99k%2F%0D%0A%0D%0AHere%27s an LA Times article on how %5Blink%3Awww.latimes.com%2Fgreat-reads%2Fla-me-los-feliz-20130507-dto%2C0%2C2796211.htmlstory%7Ceven the locals don%27t know how to pronounce %22Los Feliz%22%5D.%0D%0A%0D%0AMy favorite part%3A %22Griffith Observatory museum guide Angelica Ruiz%2C however%2C pronounces Los Feliz in Spanish. %28She anglicizes it when talking about Los Feliz Boulevard%2C though%2C and isn%27t sure why.%29%22  The anglicized version sounds like %22Loss Feel-us%22%2C btw.
61|7|60|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||20:31:35|03/21/2014|%3EI think you meant s%2Fnorfatk%2F%CB%88n%C9%94rf%C9%99k%2F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EHere%27s an LA Times article on how %0D%0A%3E%5Blink%3Awww.latimes.com%2Fgreat-reads%2Fla-me-los-feliz-20130507-dto%2C0%2C2796211.htmlstory%7Ceven the locals don%27t know how to pronounce %22Los Feliz%22%5D. %0D%0A%0D%0AAs long as they don%27t say %22los feyLEETH%22%2C people can pronounce it any way they like.  I%27m not havin%27 any of that %22Tharagotha%22 nonsense in my personal universe. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%28Interesting article%2C though.  I never realized there was a pronunciation crisis in southern California%3B I%27ve always assumed the Spanish pronunciations were in force for the most part.  Heck%2C even Jack Webb on %5Bi%5DDragnet%5B%2Fi%5D%2C the gringiest gringo who ever walked the streets of TV LA%2C said %22los feleez%22%2C which is as good as you%27re gonna get from a white 1960s Establishment figure. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
62|8|61|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Vorticity||21:39:47|03/21/2014|%3E Interesting article%2C though. I never realized there was a pronunciation crisis%0D%0A%3E in southern California%3B I%27ve always assumed the Spanish pronunciations were in%0D%0A%3E force for the most part.%0D%0A%0D%0AIt%27s not really a crisis%3B we%27re all more or less adherents to Postel%27s Law.  Just the number of variations on Los Angeles -- from the full espa%C3%B1ol Los %C3%81ngeles to whereever Arlo was going with a couple of keys -- we wouldn%27t get anything done if we tried to debate that.  Other than the outliers%2C Van Nuys %28sounds like %22guys%22%29 and Sepulveda %28originally Sep%C3%BAlveda%29%2C most pronunciations are acceptable.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe only time I%27ve been really surprised was when visiting the coastal redwoods up in %22Del Nort%22 County at the northwest corner of California.
63|8|61|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|zwol||22:10:30|03/21/2014|%3E%28Interesting article%2C though.  I never realized there was a %0D%0A%3Epronunciation crisis in southern California%3B I%27ve always assumed the %0D%0A%3ESpanish pronunciations were in force for the most part.  Heck%2C even %0D%0A%3EJack Webb on %5Bi%5DDragnet%5B%2Fi%5D%2C the gringiest gringo who ever walked the %0D%0A%3Estreets of TV LA%2C said %22los feleez%22%2C which is as good as you%27re gonna %0D%0A%3Eget from a white 1960s Establishment figure. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0AThe L.A. Times likes to wring its hands about this sort of thing.  I%27m a white guy who grew up in a very white suburb of L.A. in the 80s%2C and I sure never knew anyone who didn%27t say %22los feLEEZ%22 or similar.  Certainly the Mexican-Spanish pronunciations were considered authoritative.  I think we were all taking our cues from the traffic reporters on the radio%2C and %5Bi%5Dthey%5B%2Fi%5D were all firmly in %22white guy doing their educated best to pronounce words the way their probably-actually-from-Mexico Spanish instructors taught %27em to%22 territory.
5|1|0|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Senji||11:10:41|03/20/2014|%3EI%27d argue that it should have 18%3B Wor-ches-ter was left off the list %0D%0A%3Esomehow. %3A%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A I%27d never even thought to ask how the US Worchester %28or at least Gryphon%27s%29 is pronounced.  The UK one is %5Bi%5DWuster%5B%2Fi%5D %28rhyming with Custer as in the General%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AS.
7|2|5|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|laudre||12:39:35|03/20/2014|%3E I%27d never even thought to ask how the US Worchester %28or at least %0D%0A%3EGryphon%27s%29 is pronounced.  The UK one is %5Bi%5DWuster%5B%2Fi%5D %28rhyming with %0D%0A%3ECuster as in the General%29. %0D%0A%0D%0AThe Worcester and Leicester in Massachusetts are pronounced the same as the UK town names %28i.e. two syllables%29%2C allowing for other differences in accents and such.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bhr %2F%5D%5Bsmall%5D%22Mathematics brought rigor to economics. Unfortunately%2C it also brought mortis.%22%0D%0A - Kenneth Boulding%5B%2Fsmall%5D%5Bhr %2F%5D
9|2|5|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||12:52:24|03/20/2014|%3E%3EI%27d argue that it should have 18%3B Wor-ches-ter was left off the list %0D%0A%3E%3Esomehow. %3A%29 %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E I%27d never even thought to ask how the US Worchester %28or at least %0D%0A%3EGryphon%27s%29 is pronounced.%0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C it doesn%27t have an H in it%2C so that%27s a starting point...%0D%0A%0D%0AUsually %22wooster%22 %28first vowel as in %22wool%22%2C not %22tool%22%29%2C but there%27s a local hard core that says %22wistah%22.%0D%0A%0D%0APlace names are very often problematic%2C particularly in New England%2C where many places%27 official names are based on 18th-century English people%27s halfassed attempts to transcribe and romanize Algonquian words in the first place%2C and others %28like Worcester%29 are recycled place names from Britain%2C where such matters had already been a hopeless muddle for centuries by then %3A%29  Throw in 200 years of random dialectic drift and you get Massachusetts %28itself a fucked-up Algonquian word%29 towns like Woburn %28woobun%29 and Framingham %28pronounced as if you were setting a roasted pig part up to take the fall for a crime%29%2C and places in Maine with names like Meddybemps%2C Mattamiscontis%2C Wytopitlock%2C Nesowadnehunk%2C Big Ambejackmockamus.  Few customer service or shipping people I talk to on the phone ever get Millinocket right on the first try%3B I hesitate to imagine how they%27d fare if the town had received its originally considered %22local%22 name%2C Nollesemic. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0AIt%27s also worth noting that sometimes people simply can%27t be bothered.  Maine%27s French place names %28and there are a lot of those%2C we have a long border with Quebec and New%2FNouveau Brunswick%29 are good examples of that.  %22Maine%22 itself is a French place name%2C but it%27s simple enough that not even Mainers can screw it up.  Not so for the border town of Calais%2C which is pronounced like those hard things you develop on your hands if you do a lot of manual labor.  Even the Frenchmen %28by which is always meant people of French-Canadian origins%2C not actual men from France%29 say it that way.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
11|3|9|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Mercutio||13:13:23|03/20/2014|%3E  Few %0D%0A%3Ecustomer service or shipping people I talk to on the phone ever get %0D%0A%3EMillinocket right on the first try%3B %0D%0A%0D%0AIs Millinocket pronounced differently from how it is spelled%3F I%27ve been saying %22Mill-in-ocket%22%2C with the %22ocket%22 as in %22rocket.%22 That seems like it would be hard to screw up%2C it%27s damn near phonetic.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28Also%2C Mill-in-Ocket%2C with the dashes and all%2C would be a great name for an isolated English village in which there are sinister goings-on.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A-Merc%0D%0AKeep Rat
13|4|11|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||13:25:53|03/20/2014|%3E%3E  Few %0D%0A%3E%3Ecustomer service or shipping people I talk to on the phone ever get %0D%0A%3E%3EMillinocket right on the first try%3B %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EIs Millinocket pronounced differently from how it is spelled%3F I%27ve %0D%0A%3Ebeen saying %22Mill-in-ocket%22%2C with the %22ocket%22 as in %22rocket.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AThat%27s close%3B the middle syllable is usually sort of semi-elided%2C with the vowel stuck on the end of %22mill%22 as a schwa and the %22n%22 attached to the remainder of the word.  For some reason customer service people always want to give it either a long O or a French ending%2C as in %5Bi%5Dcabernet%5B%2Fi%5D.  Or they just go completely off the rails and it becomes some kind of godawful transporter accident%2A.  I don%27t really know how that happens.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%5Bfont size%3D%221%22%5D%2A And that%2C children%2C is why I%27m frankly not bothered if there%27s never a Blu-Ray release of the Director%27s Edition of %5Bi%5DStar Trek%3A The Motion Picture%5B%2Fi%5D.%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
30|5|13|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|JeanneHedge||21:12:10|03/20/2014|%3E%3E%3E  Few %0D%0A%3E%3E%3Ecustomer service or shipping people I talk to on the phone ever get %0D%0A%3E%3E%3EMillinocket right on the first try%3B %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EIs Millinocket pronounced differently from how it is spelled%3F I%27ve %0D%0A%3E%3Ebeen saying %22Mill-in-ocket%22%2C with the %22ocket%22 as in %22rocket.%22%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EThat%27s close%3B the middle syllable is usually sort of semi-elided%2C with %0D%0A%3Ethe vowel stuck on the end of %22mill%22 as a schwa and the %22n%22 attached %0D%0A%3Eto the remainder of the word. %0D%0A%0D%0AMilla-nocket%3F  %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AJeanne%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22 width%3D%2280%25%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd align%3D%22center%22 width%3D%2210%25%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%2Fmisc%2Foldowl.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5D%5Bfont size%3D2%5D%5Bb%5DJeanne Hedge%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.jhedge.com%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bi%5D%5Bfont size%3D1%5D%22Never give up%2C never surrender%21%22%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
35|6|30|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||21:34:42|03/20/2014|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-14 AT 09:35 PM (EDT)]%3E%3E%3EIs Millinocket pronounced differently from how it is spelled%3F I%27ve %0D%0A%3E%3E%3Ebeen saying %22Mill-in-ocket%22%2C with the %22ocket%22 as in %22rocket.%22%0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EThat%27s close%3B the middle syllable is usually sort of semi-elided%2C with %0D%0A%3E%3Ethe vowel stuck on the end of %22mill%22 as a schwa and the %22n%22 attached %0D%0A%3E%3Eto the remainder of the word. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EMilla-nocket%3F%0D%0A%0D%0APretty much%2C yeah.  I don%27t remember what it%27s supposed to mean%3B strangely enough%2C it does %5Bi%5Dnot%5B%2Fi%5D refer to the fact that there was a paper mill here%2C as it is a Penobscot word and therefore presumably not referential to 19th-century industrial installations.  It%27s one of those natural-feature place names that means something like %22the place where the river forks%22 or %22three big rocks and a bent tree%22 or %22Darmok and Jalaad at Tanagra%22 or some similar thing.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
44|7|35|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|pjmoyer||22:54:45|03/20/2014|%3E%3EMilla-nocket%3F%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EPretty much%2C yeah.  I don%27t remember what it%27s supposed to mean%3B %0D%0A%3Estrangely enough%2C it does %5Bi%5Dnot%5B%2Fi%5D refer to the fact that there was %0D%0A%3Ea paper mill here%2C as it is a Penobscot word and therefore presumably %0D%0A%3Enot referential to 19th-century industrial installations.  It%27s one of %0D%0A%3Ethose natural-feature place names that means something like %22the place %0D%0A%3Ewhere the river forks%22 or %22three big rocks and a bent tree%22 or %22Darmok %0D%0A%3Eand Jalaad at Tanagra%22 or some similar thing. %0D%0A%0D%0AAccording to Wikipedia%2C it means %22the land of many islands%22%2C after all the islands in the Penobscot River.  Mind%2C the town was named in 1901%2C -after- the Great Northern Paper Company mill was begun%2C so said translation may be a little suspect.%0D%0A%0D%0A--- Philip%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%223%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D2 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%0D%0A%5Btr%5D%5Btd width%3D%2265%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie.org%2F%7Eaerianne%2Ffoth.img%2Fgaia_ser_philip_saber.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%0D%0A%5Btd%5D%5Bfont color%3D%22%230000dd%22%5DPhilip J. Moyer%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%230000aa%22 size%3D-2%5DContributing Writer%2C Editor and Artist %28and Moderator%29 -- Eyrie Productions%2C Unlimited%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%230000aa%22 size%3D-2%5DCEO of MTS%2C High Poobah Of Artwork%2C and High Priest Of the Church Of Aerianne -- Magnetic Terrapin Studios%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%230044aa%22 size%3D-1%5D%5Bi%5D%22Insert Pithy Comment Here%22%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd width%3D%2265%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie.org%2F%7Eaerianne%2Ffoth.img%2Fgaia_aeri_coat_sword.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%0D%0A%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%223%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D1 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
46|8|44|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||23:12:39|03/20/2014|%3EMind%2C the town was named in 1901%2C %0D%0A%3E-after- the Great Northern Paper Company mill was begun%0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C yes%2C that%27s because the mill was here first.  There%27s no other reason for a town to even be here%2C which is an awkward fact now that the mill is no more.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
16|3|9|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||15:08:47|03/20/2014|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-14 AT 03:09 PM (EDT)]%3Ehalfassed attempts to transcribe and romanize%0D%0A%0D%0ASpeaking of halfassed romanization%2C I had occasion to refer to the original Okrand %5Bi%5DKlingon Dictionary%5B%2Fi%5D the other day%2C and in the process reviewed the section on the Klingon phoneome.%2A  As I did%2C I realized something.  In Okrand%27s Klingon language%2C capital Q represents a sort of hardcore K sound %28there being few other kinds of sound than %22hardcore%22 in Klingon%29%2C and there%27s a note in the section about terms of address indicating that when it appears at the beginnings of names%2C it usually comes out with an R at the end %28so that%2C for instance%2C Commander Kruge%27s name is more accurately romanized %22Qugh%22%29.  It doesn%27t do that at the end of words%2C though.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs such%2C the famous Starfleet captain%27s name might best be approximated in romanized Klingon as %22cheymS QQ%22.%0D%0A%0D%0AI find this curiously appropriate considering how much of his career he spent  griefing the Klingons.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%5Bfont size%3D%221%22%5D%22Cry some more%2C you Klingon bastard.%22%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
26|3|9|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|twipper||19:59:53|03/20/2014|%3EWell%2C it doesn%27t have an H in it%2C so that%27s a starting point... %0D%0A%0D%0AYou%27ve corrected me on this in the past%2C you%27d think I%27d remember.%0D%0A%0D%0ABrian%0D%0A
14|1|0|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|MuninsFire||13:59:33|03/20/2014|In Santa Barbara%2C CA%2C there%27s a street called %22Calle Real%22%0D%0A%0D%0APeople who speak Spanish will be tempted to pronounce it as %22Cay-ey Rey-al%22 which is wrong.%0D%0A%0D%0APeople from back East who don%27t speak any Spanish will want to pronounce it %22Cali Reel%22 which is also wrong.%0D%0A%0D%0APeople from the Santa Barbara area know the correct way to say the name of this street is %22Cali Rey-al%22.
17|2|14|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|ebony14||15:34:12|03/20/2014|%3EIn Santa Barbara%2C CA%2C there%27s a street called %22Calle Real%22 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EPeople who speak Spanish will be tempted to pronounce it as %22Cay-ey %0D%0A%3ERey-al%22 which is wrong. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EPeople from back East who don%27t speak any Spanish will want to %0D%0A%3Epronounce it %22Cali Reel%22 which is also wrong. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EPeople from the Santa Barbara area know the correct way to say the %0D%0A%3Ename of this street is %22Cali Rey-al%22. %0D%0A%0D%0AIn Dallas%2C Texas%2C there is La Jolla Street%2C which runs through a variety of neighborhoods%2C and has been spelled three separate ways on street signs %28La Jolla%2C La Hoya%2C and La Joya%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AYou can also tell someone is relatively new to Texas if they pronounce Montague County like the name of one of the two rival families in %22Romeo and Juliet.%22 While the Bard may have intended it to be pronounced %22mon-tuh-gyu%2C%22 every Texan knows that it%27s %22Mon-tayg%22 County.%0D%0A%0D%0AMontague County%27s largest town is another example. Bowie%2C Texas%2C is pronounced like Jim Bowie%27s last name %28Boo-ee%29%2C having been named after the man. Pronounce it like a certain rock singer%27s name %28Bow-ee%29%2C and you%27re going to get some odd looks from the locals.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5DYou might get odd looks anyway. It %5Bb%5Dis%5B%2Fb%5D a small town in Texas%2C after all.%5B%2Fsmall%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AEbony the Black Dragon%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Life is like an anole. Sometimes it%27s green. Sometimes it%27s brown. But it%27s always a small Caribbean lizard.%22
18|3|17|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||16:17:39|03/20/2014|%3EPronounce it like a certain rock singer%27s name %0D%0A%3E%28Bow-ee%29%2C and you%27re going to get some odd looks from the locals. %0D%0A%0D%0AParticularly since his name is pronounced with the first syllable as in %22take a%22. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
36|4|18|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|MoonEyes||21:41:51|03/20/2014|%3E%3EPronounce it like a certain rock singer%27s name %0D%0A%3E%3E%28Bow-ee%29%2C and you%27re going to get some odd looks from the locals. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EParticularly since his name is pronounced with the first syllable as %0D%0A%3Ein %22take a%22. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AThe worthy himself described it as %27Bow and Arrows%2C not Bow wow wow%27 as I recall. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A...%21%0D%0AGott%27s Leetle Feesh in Trousers%21
38|5|36|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||21:45:17|03/20/2014|%3EThe worthy himself described it as %27Bow and Arrows%2C not Bow wow wow%27 %0D%0A%3Eas I recall. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0ADid he%3F  I thought it was the other way around%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AThen again%2C I also had a five-second stretch just now where I couldn%27t remember what month it is.  March%3F  November%3F  Fuck it%2C it%27s snowing when it shouldn%27t be and the end of the semester is nowhere in sight%2C that doesn%27t narrow it down.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
55|6|38|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|MoonEyes||08:54:10|03/21/2014|%3E%3EThe worthy himself described it as %27Bow and Arrows%2C not Bow wow wow%27 %0D%0A%3E%3Eas I recall. %3A%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EDid he%3F  I thought it was the other way around%3F %0D%0A%0D%0ANote %27as I recall%27. The one thing I DO know is that a friend of mine is wrong. He insistst it should be Buoy.%0D%0ASay what you want of him%2C he is NOT floating out in the channel going %27ding%2C ding%2C ding%27.%0D%0A%0D%0A...%21%0D%0AGott%27s Leetle Feesh in Trousers%21%0D%0A%5Bfont size%3D1%5D At least%2C I don%27t THINK he does. But%2C with the things celebrities get up to%2C who knows%3F%5B%2Ffont%5D
66|5|36|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|starless||12:40:01|03/30/2014|Oddly enough%2C I recently listened to a British radio documentary about the life and work of Bowie%2C and the narration %28read by Tim Minchin%29 accused Americans of getting the name wrong and calling him Bawwy and not Bowie%2C when I could have sworn that I%27ve seen a mid-70s episode of Top of the Pops where they blatantly get it wrong.
57|4|18|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|ebony14||10:44:15|03/21/2014|%3E%3EPronounce it like a certain rock singer%27s name %0D%0A%3E%3E%28Bow-ee%29%2C and you%27re going to get some odd looks from the locals. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EParticularly since his name is pronounced with the first syllable as %0D%0A%3Ein %22take a%22. %3A%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AReally%3F I%27ve never heard it pronounced that way. I%27ve always heard it as in %22tie a.%22 I admit%2C though%2C that I%27ve never actually heard David Bowie say his own name%2C so every person I%27ve heard say could be wrong.%0D%0A%0D%0AEbony the Black Dragon%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Life is like an anole. Sometimes it%27s green. Sometimes it%27s brown. But it%27s always a small Caribbean lizard.%22
31|3|17|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|JeanneHedge||21:15:48|03/20/2014|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-14 AT 09:17 PM (EDT)]%3EIn Dallas%2C Texas%2C there is La Jolla Street%2C which runs through a %0D%0A%3Evariety of neighborhoods%2C and has been spelled three separate ways on %0D%0A%3Estreet signs %28La Jolla%2C La Hoya%2C and La Joya%29%0D%0A%0D%0ASo how is it pronounced%3F La  %22haul-a%22%3F  La %22hoy-a%22%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AJeanne%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22 width%3D%2280%25%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd align%3D%22center%22 width%3D%2210%25%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%2Fmisc%2Foldowl.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5D%5Bfont size%3D2%5D%5Bb%5DJeanne Hedge%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.jhedge.com%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bi%5D%5Bfont size%3D1%5D%22Never give up%2C never surrender%21%22%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
33|4|31|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||21:28:03|03/20/2014|%3E%3EIn Dallas%2C Texas%2C there is La Jolla Street%2C which runs through a %0D%0A%3E%3Evariety of neighborhoods%2C and has been spelled three separate ways on %0D%0A%3E%3Estreet signs %28La Jolla%2C La Hoya%2C and La Joya%29%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ESo how is it pronounced%3F La  %22haul-a%22%3F  La %22hoy-a%22%3F %0D%0A%0D%0A%22Throat-warbler Mangrove%22.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%5Bfont size%3D%221%22%5DHonestly%2C how did this even take this long to happen in this thread%3F  It%27s like the Godwin%27s Law of pronunciation discussions.%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
37|5|33|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|MoonEyes||21:44:02|03/20/2014|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-14 AT 09:46 PM (EDT)]%3E--G. %0D%0A%3E%5Bfont size%3D%221%22%5DHonestly%2C how did this even take this long to happen in %0D%0A%3Ethis thread%3F  It%27s like the Godwin%27s Law of pronunciation %0D%0A%3Ediscussions.%5B%2Ffont%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%22My name is Denis...I%27m going to pronounce it ParFLEU%21 And you can suck on my peenay%21%22%0D%0A%0D%0A...%21%0D%0AGott%27s Leetle Feesh in Trousers%21%0D%0A%5BFont Size%3D1%5DSpelling is your friend%5B%2Ffont%5D
58|4|31|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|ebony14||10:48:51|03/21/2014|%3E%3EIn Dallas%2C Texas%2C there is La Jolla Street%2C which runs through a %0D%0A%3E%3Evariety of neighborhoods%2C and has been spelled three separate ways on %0D%0A%3E%3Estreet signs %28La Jolla%2C La Hoya%2C and La Joya%29%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ESo how is it pronounced%3F La  %22haul-a%22%3F  La %22hoy-a%22%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AI believe%2C that it%27s pronounced like La Jolla%2C California%2C is. That is%2C %22La Hoy-a.%22 This being Texas%2C however%2C I am sure there is some subset of the populace that tries to pronounce it with a J%2C like %22jolly%22 or %22joy.%22 And thusly%2C it%27s possible that they think it%27s three different streets.%0D%0A%0D%0AEbony the Black Dragon%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Life is like an anole. Sometimes it%27s green. Sometimes it%27s brown. But it%27s always a small Caribbean lizard.%22
40|3|17|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Mercutio||21:55:39|03/20/2014|%0D%0A%3EYou can also tell someone is relatively new to Texas if they pronounce %0D%0A%3EMontague County like the name of one of the two rival families in %0D%0A%3E%22Romeo and Juliet.%22 While the Bard may have intended it to be %0D%0A%3Epronounced %22mon-tuh-gyu%2C%22 every Texan knows that it%27s %22Mon-tayg%22 %0D%0A%3ECounty. %0D%0A%0D%0AVaguely related%3A I went to school with a Robert Duquesne and an Elizabeth Duquesne %28no relation%29.%0D%0A%0D%0ARobert%27s family pronounced it %22Dukain%22%2C as in Calleigh Duquesne from CSI. Elizabeth%27s pronounced it %22Du-kez-ne%2C%22 and would get rather angry if you asked them %22Are you sure%3F%22 because%2C well%2C it%27s their bloody name%2C they%27d know.%0D%0A%0D%0A-Merc%0D%0AKeep Rat
43|4|40|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||22:23:48|03/20/2014|%3ERobert%27s family pronounced it %22Dukain%22%2C as in Calleigh Duquesne from %0D%0A%3ECSI. Elizabeth%27s pronounced it %22Du-kez-ne%2C%22 and would get rather angry %0D%0A%3Eif you asked them %22Are you sure%3F%22 because%2C well%2C it%27s their bloody %0D%0A%3Ename%2C they%27d know. %0D%0A%0D%0AThere are a lot of Franco-Canadio-American families here in the Podunk region who pronounce their surnames in sort of the same Frenglish style as %22cruSANT%22 earlier%2C viz. the Bealieurs %28%22Bowlyer%22%29%2C the Potvins %28pronounced just like it%27s spelled%2C nothing even slightly French-sounding about it%29%2C the Roys %28ditto%29%2C and of course the ones who used to be on the Discovery Channel%2C the Pelletiers %28%22pelleteers%22%2C which I guess would be like a rocketeer or musketeer except with small%2C oblong pieces of stuff%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
49|5|43|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Mercutio||00:01:11|03/21/2014|%0D%0A%3EThere are a lot of Franco-Canadio-American families here in the Podunk %0D%0A%3Eregion%0D%0A%0D%0AAcadians%2C right%3F The geography is about right for it%2C although obviously you%27d know your own local lore and terminology better than I.%0D%0A%0D%0A-Merc%0D%0AKeep Rat
51|6|49|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||00:26:08|03/21/2014|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Mar-21-14 AT 00:27 AM (EDT)]%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EThere are a lot of Franco-Canadio-American families here in the Podunk %0D%0A%3E%3Eregion%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EAcadians%2C right%3F The geography is about right for it%2C although %0D%0A%3Eobviously you%27d know your own local lore and terminology better than %0D%0A%3EI. %0D%0A%0D%0AMany%2C but by no means all.  Most of the Acadians were expelled from what eventually became Maine%2C as from all the British-controlled territories%2C after the French and Indian War %28which is why there%27s that Acadian population in Louisiana%29.  Some returned after the American Revolution%2C particularly in the St. John Valley %28which forms the borderland between Maine and New Brunswick%29%2C but there are a lot of Qu%C3%A9ois b%C3%A9cois too%2C who filtered in from the western reaches over the years.  The Maine-Quebec and Maine-NB borders were until very recently %28as in %22late 2001%22 recently%29 very porous.%0D%0A%0D%0AHow porous%2C you ask%3F  Porous enough that my paternal grandmother was not aware until a couple of years ago that she had in fact been Canadian the whole time.  When the border controls tightened and passports became required to get back into the US again%2C she and my grandfather applied for same%3B the State Department came back to her and said%2C in essence%2C %22What are you asking us for%2C lady%3F  You were born in Grand Falls%2C New Brunswick.%22  Amazingly%2C this did NOT turn into a ten-year odyssey of bureaucratic wrangling with the Social Security Administration %5Bi%5Det al.%5B%2Fi%5D%2C none of whom had evidently noticed that interesting fact before the passport people started digging around%3B instead%2C even the notoriously tetchy U.S. immigration people appear to have gone%2C %22Oh%2C what the hell%2C forget it%22 and stamped everything.  She did have to sign a thing saying she wouldn%27t support Canada in the event of a war. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0AOn the plus side%2C now I can give my father shit about having been an illegal immigrant%27s anchor baby.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G. %0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
52|7|51|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Mercutio||01:05:20|03/21/2014|%3EHow porous%2C you ask%3F  Porous enough that my paternal grandmother was %0D%0A%3Enot aware until a couple of years ago that she had in fact been %0D%0A%3ECanadian the whole time.  When the border controls tightened and %0D%0A%3Epassports became required to get back into the US again%2C she and my %0D%0A%3Egrandfather applied for same%3B the State Department came back to her %0D%0A%3Eand said%2C in essence%2C %22What are you asking us for%2C lady%3F  You were %0D%0A%3Eborn in Grand Falls%2C New Brunswick.%22  %0D%0A%0D%0AAssuming at least one of your great-grandparents were also American citizens%2C tho%2C %28which may or may not be true%2C I obviously would not know%29 that really shouldn%27t have made a difference. Your grandmother could have been born on the Moon and she%27d still have been American.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EAmazingly%2C this did NOT turn %0D%0A%3Einto a ten-year odyssey of bureaucratic wrangling with the Social %0D%0A%3ESecurity Administration %5Bi%5Det al.%5B%2Fi%5D%2C none of whom had evidently %0D%0A%3Enoticed that interesting fact before the passport people started %0D%0A%3Edigging around%3B instead%2C even the notoriously tetchy U.S. immigration %0D%0A%3Epeople appear to have gone%2C %22Oh%2C what the hell%2C forget it%22 and stamped %0D%0A%3Eeverything.  She did have to sign a thing saying she wouldn%27t support %0D%0A%3ECanada in the event of a war. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AThis doesn%27t happen so much to those of us who live in states with great huge bodies of water forming our border with Canada%2C but I%27ve heard tell it isn%27t uncommon out west as well%2C especially since there are places in northern Minnesota where the precise position of the border has only been clarified fairly recently and there was a long tradition of the local authorities regarding that whole %22citizenship%22 thing fairly laconically.%0D%0A%0D%0AMy memory is fuzzy%2C but I seem to recall the US and Canada agreeing%2C both formally and informally%2C to make it as painless as possible for everyone involved to sort things out%2C as nobody had a real interest in seeing nice white people with no discernible accents being denied social security benefits or being tearfully deported on the evening news.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EOn the plus side%2C now I can give my father shit about having been an %0D%0A%3Eillegal immigrant%27s anchor baby. %0D%0A%0D%0AOh man%2C that%27s always fun. I give my Dad shit about being the son of a lifelong union man and shop steward. He hates it when I remind him of that.%0D%0A%0D%0A-Merc%0D%0AKeep Rat
54|7|51|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|laudre||06:33:12|03/21/2014|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Mar-21-14 AT 06:37 AM (EDT)]%3E%28which is why there%27s %0D%0A%3Ethat Acadian population in Louisiana%29%0D%0A%0D%0ACajuns tend to hold much closer to French orthography in local pronunciations%2C in my experience%2C oddly enough... or%2C perhaps%2C not so oddly%2C if you%27re aware that there were monolingual Cajun French speakers still around well into the mid-20th century%2C and there%27s still a handful of people who speak it as their first language and American English as a later-acquired second language. %28IIRC%2C this is also true%2C to a lesser degree%2C among the Creole population around New Orleans.%29%0D%0A%0D%0AEDIT%3A Also%2C this whole thing reminds me of the two Beauforts. There%27s one in North Carolina%2C which%2C for some time%2C I thought was %22Buford%2C%22 because that%27s how locals pronounce the name. In South Carolina%2C it%27s pronounced %22Bowfur%22 or %22Bowfurt%22 %28with the first syllable pronounced approximately correctly for French%2C like %22bow-and-arrow%22%2C but the second syllable wanders off into the wilds of the Southern US vowel shifts%2C and whether the %22t%22 is pronounced or omitted -- and when it is pronounced%2C it%27s barely such -- may not even be consistent for the same speaker%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bhr %2F%5D%5Bsmall%5D%22Mathematics brought rigor to economics. Unfortunately%2C it also brought mortis.%22%0D%0A - Kenneth Boulding%5B%2Fsmall%5D%5Bhr %2F%5D
67|3|17|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|starless||12:43:16|03/30/2014|There%27s also a pair of delightful streets in Austin that give me fits every time I head to the south side%3A Guadalupe %28pronounced gwad-a-loop%29 and Manchaca %28pronounced man-check.%29
15|1|0|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Sofaspud||14:55:43|03/20/2014|I grew up in the US southwest%2C where we had things like%3A%0D%0A%0D%0ATucson -- pronounced TOO-sawn%3B%0D%0A%0D%0AAjo Way -- a street%2C pronounced AH-ho%3B%0D%0A%0D%0ALa Cholla -- CHOY-ya%2C which is obvious if you studied Spanish%2C but then there%27s...%0D%0A%0D%0AAlameda St. -- which you%27d think would be pronounced the Spanish way but is really %22Al-ah-meeee-da%22.%0D%0A%0D%0AThen I moved up here %28Washington state%29 and ran into Pend Orielle which is a handy touchstone for whether you%27re from around here or not.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28%22Pawn Doh-rey%22%29%0D%0A%0D%0AI totally butchered it at first with my southwest Mexi-drawl.%0D%0A%0D%0A--sofaspud%0D%0A--
19|2|15|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|MuninsFire||16:41:13|03/20/2014|For a good time%2C take your choice of configurable satnav and plot out a route through the greater LA area%2C and set language choice to British.%0D%0A%0D%0ASepulveda Blvd. is pronounce %22Seh PULL veh dah%22%2C but the British satnav is convinced it%27s more %22S%27pul VAY da%22%0D%0A%0D%0AOther streets of Spanish derivation receive similar treatment.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd%2C since you reminded me--%0D%0A%0D%0AI lived in Maine for a while%2C and worked both in the drive-through at McD---- and as a 411 operator.%0D%0A%0D%0AGiven that the breakfast fajitas were fairly popular%2C I soon grew used to the inevitable New England butchering %28%22Can I have some fah-JEE-tahs%3F%22%29 of that product.%0D%0A%0D%0AHowever%2C listening to Easterners butcher the names of the following towns burned memories into my brain that%2C frankly%2C I could do without%3A%0D%0A%0D%0ALa Jolla%2C CA.  It%27s %22La Hoya%22 not...the other thing.%0D%0A%0D%0ALa Ca%C3%B1ada Flintridge is %22La Can Ya Dah %2F Flintridge%22 not the country immediately to the north of Maine.%0D%0A%0D%0A...actually%2C anything with the %C3%B1 %28n-tilde if it doesn%27t show up%29 got horribly butchered%2C now that I think of it....
20|3|19|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||16:55:49|03/20/2014|%3EGiven that the breakfast fajitas were fairly popular%2C I soon grew used %0D%0A%3Eto the inevitable New England butchering %28%22Can I have some %0D%0A%3Efah-JEE-tahs%3F%22%29 of that product. %0D%0A%0D%0AThis works both ways.  The other day I was at a Dunkin%27 Donuts drive-thru and tried to order a croissant.  The incomprehension I received was so impenetrable I finally had to go inside and %5Bi%5Dpoint%5B%2Fi%5D at the thing I wanted%2C at which point the larval human employee gave me the sort of look they reserve for old people whom they consider very stupid and%2For deliberately being a problem and said with exaggerated understanding%2C %22OH%21  You want a cruSANT%2C%22 rhyming with %22plant%22.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs for Spanish place names%2C when I worked at Leading Edge I would routinely startle callers from the Southwest by pronouncing the names of their streets and towns more or less right when reading them back out of the registered-warranties database.  Three years of high school Spanish%2C you know.  Also%2C %22Tujunga Canyon%22 is just fun to say.  TuHUNNNNgaaahhh.  Boca RRRRRRAT%26oacute%3Bn.  RRRRRRRANcho CucaMONgaaaaaaaa.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
22|4|20|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|MuninsFire||17:10:24|03/20/2014|%3Eat which point the larval human %0D%0A%3Eemployee gave me the sort of look they reserve for old people whom %0D%0A%3Ethey consider very stupid and%2For deliberately being a problem and said %0D%0A%3Ewith exaggerated understanding%2C %22OH%21  You want a cruSANT%2C%22 rhyming %0D%0A%3Ewith %22plant%22. %0D%0A%0D%0A......wut.%0D%0A%0D%0A......who....how could that even happen%3F  In what accent does %22croissant%22 even...GAH. %0D%0A%0D%0AYou%2C sir%2C just hurt my mind.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EAs for Spanish place names%2C when I worked at Leading Edge I would %0D%0A%3Eroutinely startle callers from the Southwest by pronouncing the names %0D%0A%3Eof their streets and towns more or less right when reading them back %0D%0A%3Eout of the registered-warranties database.  Three years of high school %0D%0A%3ESpanish%2C you know.  Also%2C %22Tujunga Canyon%22 is just fun to say.  %0D%0A%3ETuHUNNNNgaaahhh.  Boca RRRRRRAT%C3%B3n.  RRRRRRRANcho %0D%0A%3ECucaMONgaaaaaaaa. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AListening to traffic reports is pretty fun around the LA area for that reason--you can tell that some of the reporters actually do have fun with the names.%0D%0A%0D%0AAlso%2C it%27s a great way to keep a mental map of the LA freeway system in your head--it may not be The Knowledge%2C but it%27s non-trivial and very enabling.
24|5|22|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||18:41:44|03/20/2014|%3EListening to traffic reports is pretty fun around the LA area for that %0D%0A%3Ereason--you can tell that some of the reporters actually do have fun %0D%0A%3Ewith the names. %0D%0A%0D%0AMany years ago %28as regular readers may recall%29%2C I took a job that required me to move to California%2C and since I had a while before I needed to report for my first day%2C I drove out.  At the Arizona-California border%2C there were two things of note%3A a California Department of Food and Agriculture checkpoint where I was literally asked whether I had any %5Blink%3Awww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiUNvQLH2OFw%7Cfruit to declare%5D%2C and a sign encouraging me to tune my car%27s radio to some AM frequency or another if I desired more information about the state I was entering.%0D%0A%0D%0ASo I did - there%27s not a lot else to do on I-40 between Needles and Barstow %28as in %22We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold%22%29 - and discovered that the station at said frequency%2C presumably some kind of tourist bureau or Chamber of Commerce thing%2C was playing a highly romanticized history of California on an endless loop.  It was narrated by the late Ricardo Montalb%26aacute%3Bn%2C who was the kind of man of whom it%27s said one could listen to him read the phone book - particularly a phone book covering a region with a lot of Spanish names in it.  Just the way he said %22California%22 was mildly magical.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
25|6|24|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|MuninsFire||19:55:46|03/20/2014|%3E At the %0D%0A%3EArizona-California border%2C there were two things of note%3A a California %0D%0A%3EDepartment of Food and Agriculture checkpoint where I was literally %0D%0A%3Easked whether I had any %0D%0A%3E%5Blink%3Awww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiUNvQLH2OFw%7Cfruit to declare%5D%2C %0D%0A%0D%0AHeh%21  Yeah%2C that%27s a pretty amusing checkpoint.  Deeply srs bzns%2C of course%2C given the agricultural community in CA and the relative lack of citrus pests%2C but still pretty hilarious.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3ESo I did - there%27s not a lot else to do on I-40 between Needles and %0D%0A%3EBarstow %28as in %22We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the %0D%0A%3Edesert when the drugs began to take hold%22%29 -%0D%0A%0D%0AOh%2C dear me. Barstow. What a HOLE that place is.%0D%0A%0D%0ASo I was on a contract upgrading systems for the Army Corps%2C along with several other people.  Our project manager--fellow by the name of Kendall%2C who was from Back East somewhere and had never been to California--was very proud of having rented a Prius%2C and very proud of having brought a satnav system.%0D%0A%0D%0AHe was so very chuffed over this satnav system that he%27d engage it for any trip%2C even those of only 10 minutes%27 duration.%0D%0A%0D%0AAt this point in time%2C I did not own a smartphone or satnav%2C so my navigation was chiefly through these retro things called %27maps%27 and %27road signs%27.%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27d just finished upgrading some systems at Edwards AFB along with one of my fellow contractors%2C and he%27d just finished down at Palmdale--nearby enough%2C but far enough away that not seeing him on the road en-route to our next destination would not be unusual--and we agreed to meet up in Barstow%2C so as to go to Ft. Irwin the following morning.%0D%0A%0D%0AI didn%27t think anything of it at the time--I popped out the north gate of Edwards%2C hopped on the freeway%2C and followed the signs for Barstow%2C getting there a few hours later in plenty of time to grab dinner at the %28very sorry%29 sizzler in town there.%0D%0A%0D%0AI did get rather concerned after a few more hours%2C so about 9 that night%2C I called up Kendall to ask if he%27d gotten to town OK.%0D%0A%0D%0A%22We%27re almost there%2C%22 he says%2C %22we just passed Fresno.%22%0D%0A%0D%0ARecord scratch.%0D%0A%0D%0A%22You ...what%3F%22 I said%2C upon which I learned a few things%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A1. There is more than one Barstow in California. The one he was going to was this one%3A https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBarstow%2C_Fresno_County%2C_California%0D%0A%0D%0A2. His satnav differentiated those Barstows by zip code%2C and ordered them naively. %0D%0A%0D%0A3. Kendall was a very very funny guy on next to zero sleep.  The guy who%27d been following him the whole way--also from Back East--not so much.
59|7|25|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|ebony14||11:23:14|03/21/2014|%3E%3E At the %0D%0A%3E%3EArizona-California border%2C there were two things of note%3A a California %0D%0A%3E%3EDepartment of Food and Agriculture checkpoint where I was literally %0D%0A%3E%3Easked whether I had any %0D%0A%3E%3E%5Blink%3Awww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiUNvQLH2OFw%7Cfruit to declare%5D%2C %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EHeh%21  Yeah%2C that%27s a pretty amusing checkpoint.  Deeply srs bzns%2C of %0D%0A%3Ecourse%2C given the agricultural community in CA and the relative lack %0D%0A%3Eof citrus pests%2C but still pretty hilarious. %0D%0A%0D%0AGiven that the University of California at Riverside has the only comprehensive collection of every orange cultivar in the world%2C I would think that they would need to be mindful of citrus pests. Sort of like not having open matches in the Special Collections department of a major library.%0D%0A%0D%0AEbony the Black Dragon%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Life is like an anole. Sometimes it%27s green. Sometimes it%27s brown. But it%27s always a small Caribbean lizard.%22
27|2|15|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Zox||20:05:08|03/20/2014|I must put in a few words--literally--for the state of Merlin %28Maryland%29 and in particular its largest city%2C Bawlmer %28Baltimore%29%2C Land of the Huns%2C where the Bawlmorons live.%0D%0A%0D%0AHere%2C one can visit exotic locales like Dundack %28Dundalk%29%2C and drive along Holntown %28Highlandtown%29 Road%2C then head down to Warshnin %28Washington%29%2C then over to Naplis %28Annapolis%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AWhile in the area%2C you may also want to go Downy Oshin %28to the beach%29 and check out the wooder %28water%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28Hmm. Is it just me%2C or does Downy O%27Shin sound like a good name for a Bond girl%3F%29
41|3|27|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|laudre||22:06:06|03/20/2014|%3EI must put in a few words--literally--for the state of Merlin %0D%0A%3E%28Maryland%29 and in particular its largest city%2C Bawlmer %28Baltimore%29%2C %0D%0A%3ELand of the Huns%2C where the Bawlmorons live. %0D%0A%0D%0AOr%2C alternately%2C one could offer the full name%2C %22Balmermund.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27ve only been to Baltimore once%2C on a very short trip%3B my wife and I drove up there to see Rammstein in concert. %28It was either there or Atlanta%2C which are roughly equal distance from where we live%2C and neither of us have much urge to drive through rural Georgia.%29 I will say that the reputation for crab cakes is well-deserved %28I got one out of a tiny grocery store deli near the university campus%2C to eat on the road home%2C and it was fucking amazing%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bhr %2F%5D%5Bsmall%5D%22Mathematics brought rigor to economics. Unfortunately%2C it also brought mortis.%22%0D%0A - Kenneth Boulding%5B%2Fsmall%5D%5Bhr %2F%5D
28|1|0|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|twipper||20:06:57|03/20/2014|Thread-specific %5Blink%3Awww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1hJQsvoY6VU%7CEddy Izzard%5D.%0D%0A%0D%0ABecause%2C well its Eddy.%0D%0A
32|1|0|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|JeanneHedge||21:26:54|03/20/2014|Louisville%2C Kentucky is neither %22Louie-ville%22 nor %22Louis-ville%22.  %0D%0AIt is %22Lou-a-vul%22%0D%0A%0D%0AThe city%2Fpalace of Versailles in France is %22ver-sai%22 %28or thereabouts%29. The town in Indiana is %22ver-sales%22%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd would someone please explain how Brett Favre%27s surname came to be pronounced %22farv%22%3F %28shouldn%27t the r and the v swap places%3F%29 %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AJeanne%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Btable border%3D%220%22 cellspacing%3D%220%22 cellpadding%3D%220%22 width%3D%2280%25%22%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd align%3D%22center%22 width%3D%2210%25%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%2Fmisc%2Foldowl.jpg%5B%2Ftd%5D%5Btd%5D%5Bfont size%3D2%5D%5Bb%5DJeanne Hedge%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.jhedge.com%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jhedge.com%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bi%5D%5Bfont size%3D1%5D%22Never give up%2C never surrender%21%22%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5B%2Fi%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5Btr%5D%5Btd colspan%3D%222%22%5D%5Bhr size%3D%221%22 noshade%5D%5B%2Ftd%5D%5B%2Ftr%5D%5B%2Ftable%5D
34|2|32|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||21:31:52|03/20/2014|%3EAnd would someone please explain how Brett Favre%27s surname came to be %0D%0A%3Epronounced %22farv%22%3F %28shouldn%27t the r and the v swap places%3F%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AI vaguely recall some Sports Broadcasting Personality of the day spending much of Favre%27s early career willfully pronouncing it %22Favr%C3%A9%22%2C either to Be Colorful or possibly because he specifically wished to annoy the name%27s owner.  I don%27t remember who it was%2C though.  Not Keith Olbermann.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28Similarly%2C Will Smith of tested.com is fond of pronouncing fragile %22frag%C3%AEl%C3%A9%22%2C a habit which reached its apotheosis in one Tested Mailbag segment wherein he announced the receipt of a %22frag%C3%AEl%C3%A9 pack%C3%A1ge%22. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
39|3|34|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|MoonEyes||21:55:29|03/20/2014|%0D%0A%3E%28Similarly%2C Will Smith of tested.com is fond of pronouncing fragile %0D%0A%3E%22frag%C3%AEl%C3%A9%22%2C a habit which reached its apotheosis in one Tested %0D%0A%3EMailbag segment wherein he announced the receipt of a %22frag%C3%AEl%C3%A9 %0D%0A%3Epack%C3%A1ge%22. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AReminded of reading somewhere of a guy whose father told him that that was the name of the Italian World Glass Monopoly. They sent glass of all sorts all over the world%2C every box marked with their company name. Fragile Glass.%0D%0A%0D%0A...%21%0D%0AGott%27s Leetle Feesh in Trousers%21
42|4|39|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||22:20:03|03/20/2014|%3EReminded of reading somewhere of a guy whose father told him that that %0D%0A%3Ewas the name of the Italian World Glass Monopoly. They sent glass of %0D%0A%3Eall sorts all over the world%2C every box marked with their company %0D%0A%3Ename. Fragile Glass. %0D%0A%0D%0AI used to think %5Bi%5DTo Be Announced%5B%2Fi%5D was a real%2C albeit weirdly and inconsistently scheduled%2C TV show.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
45|1|0|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Nathan||23:06:59|03/20/2014|Oh%2C I%27ve got a couple of these.%0D%0A%0D%0ANow%2C my hometown is now and has for more than a century been known as Elkins%2C which is easy and straightforward to pronouns. %28You%27ve got elk%2C ins%2C y%27see.%29 This town was built%2C however%2C when a couple of railroad robber barons %28Senators Stephen Benton Elkins and Henry Gassaway Davis%2C son and father in law respectively%29 needed a junction and depot and decided to build a company town around it...%0D%0A%0D%0AThe village that was in more or less the same place %5Bi%5Dbefore%5B%2Fi%5D they moved into the area%2C however%2C was named Leadsville. %28lead a horse to water...%29%0D%0A%0D%0AMy current place of employment%2C meanwhile%2C is Canaan Valley Resort and Conference Center%2C which anybody who%27s even remotely up on his bible study can pronounce...%0D%0A%0D%0A...wrong. CANE-an is in the Holy Land. The high valley in West Virginia is Kuh-NANE.%0D%0A%0D%0A-----%0D%0A%0D%0A%22V%2C did you do something foolish%3F%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Yes%2C and it was %5Bi%5Dglorious%5B%2Fi%5D.%22
47|2|45|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Gryphon||23:16:07|03/20/2014|%3E...wrong. CANE-an is in the Holy Land.%0D%0A%0D%0AThere%27s also one in Maine.  It%27s the kind of place where you look around and you%27re glad you don%27t live there%2C even if you%27re from Millinocket. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
48|3|47|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Nathan||23:27:22|03/20/2014|%3E%3E...wrong. CANE-an is in the Holy Land.%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EThere%27s also one in Maine.  It%27s the kind of place where you look %0D%0A%3Earound and you%27re glad you don%27t live there%2C even if you%27re from %0D%0A%3EMillinocket. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AI%27m not surprised%3B it%27s the kind of name that%27d be attractive to the kind of person that%27d name his kids Ezekiel and Zebediah%2C and that sort was fairly widespread.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe one in WV%27s mostly state park%3B I%27ve considered moving closer than 35 miles away%2C but the rent is all set by what snowbird 1%25 types are willing to pay%2C and way out of the reach of some minimum wage schlub like me.%0D%0A%0D%0A-----%0D%0A%0D%0A%22V%2C did you do something foolish%3F%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Yes%2C and it was %5Bi%5Dglorious%5B%2Fi%5D.%22
50|1|0|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|Peter Eng||00:03:08|03/21/2014|Not so ordinary%2C but somewhat confusing to me%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AMy mother went back to her maiden name a decade or so back%2C after which telemarketers would read %22Seiko Kusachi%2C%22 and call asking for %22Psycho Kasuchi.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C that%27s how they pronounced it%2C for some strange reason.  I didn%27t feel like asking if they%27d ever heard of a watch company with a similarly spelled name%2C or how they switched two of the vowels.%0D%0A%0D%0AI just said%2C %22There%27s nobody here by that name.%22%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0AInsert humorous comment here.
53|2|50|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|eriktown||03:19:14|03/21/2014|My first name is Bjorn. My mother%27s first name is Jette. %28She%27s Danish%3B I%27m excruciatingly American%2C though I have inherited the Danish people%27s love to party.%29%0D%0A%0D%0AMy mother%27s nomic struggles have been straightforward%3A telemarketers asking for Jeet%2C Jetty%2C Jet%2C and so forth. However%2C from an early age%2C I had endless playground struggles with various bullies%2C the worst of whom were Star Trek literates who would wrinkle their noses at me and call me Bajoran.
56|3|53|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|BobSchroeck||09:06:23|03/21/2014|%3EI had endless playground struggles with various bullies%2C the worst of %0D%0A%3Ewhom were Star Trek literates who would wrinkle their noses at me and %0D%0A%3Ecall me Bajoran. %0D%0A%0D%0AI%27m surprised that you didn%27t run into any who were also tennis-literate and accused you of being a Borg...%0D%0A%0D%0A-- Bob%0D%0A-------------------%0D%0AMy race is pacifist and does not believe in war.  We kill only out of personal spite.
64|3|53|||||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|MuninsFire||16:25:45|03/22/2014|%3EMy first name is Bjorn. ... I%27m excruciatingly American%2C %0D%0A%0D%0AMy sincerest apologies in advance%2C but does that make you...%0D%0A%0D%0ABjorn in the USA%3F
65|4|64|||1||RE%3A For Love of the Grammer Nazi|MoonEyes||12:27:55|03/23/2014|%3E%3EMy first name is Bjorn. ... I%27m excruciatingly American%2C %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EMy sincerest apologies in advance%2C but does that make you... %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EBjorn in the USA%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AAaaand%2C Munin wins an internet.%0D%0A%0D%0A...%21%0D%0AGott%27s Leetle Feesh in Trousers%21