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0|0|0|||1||The what of peace%2C now%3F|Gryphon||01:47:29|01/11/2024|I%27m listening to an unabridged audiobook of Gibbon%27s %5Bi%5DHistory of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire%5B%2Fi%5D. It%27s 126%C2%BD hours long%2C which makes it by FAR the longest title in my library%2C nearly doubling the previous record holder %28Burrows and Wallace%27s %5Bi%5DGotham%3A A History of New York City to 1898%5B%2Fi%5D%2C 67%3A25%29.  I%27m about 20 hours into it%2C and I%27ve noticed some oddities about the narration.%0D%0A%0D%0AIn general it%27s quite good. The narrator%2C one Charlton Griffin%2C has a stentorian voice and an English accent%2C both of which go well with a tone as magisterial as Gibbon%27s.  But every now and then%2C he commits what I can only describe as vocal typos. Faults crop up in the text that read uncannily like OCR errors%2C and Griffin just... says them%2C without batting an eyelash or missing a beat%2C even though they%27re clearly not what should be there.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe best one of those I%27ve come across in %5Bi%5DDecline and Fall%5B%2Fi%5D so far is a passage in which%2C after a series of civil wars and succession conflicts %28of which the Roman Empire had approximately one per week for 500 years%29%2C the weary citizens had a chance to enjoy %22the clam of peace.%22%0D%0A%0D%0ANow%2C that %5Bi%5Dcannot%5B%2Fi%5D be what Gibbon intended to have there%2C as enjoyable as the image of ancient Romans venerating the Clam of Peace is%2C but neither Griffin nor his producer%28s%29 even noticed it.  I would say this is strange%2C but as you know%2C I%27ve done some amateur audiobook work myself%2C so I know that you get into a sort of trance sometimes where what%27s coming out of your mouth genuinely does not pass through all of your brain first.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnyway%2C it kind of makes me wonder if he really was working from an OCR scan of the book%2C and if so%2C why the heck%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%5Bfont size%3D%222%22%5D%22Ave%2C praetor.  Glory to the Clam of Peace.%22%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
1|1|0|||||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|CdrMike||02:27:08|01/11/2024|The %22Clam of Peace%22 sounds like something the writers of %5Bi%5DFamily Guy%5B%2Fi%5D might come up with or something that either Gura or Marine would claim to have found.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs for the length of the audiobook itself%2C it seems a lot until you remember the collection itself clocks in at 6 books altogether so you%27re talking roughly 20-21 hours per book.  That%27s about as long as the audiobook of %5Bi%5DLeviathan Wakes%5B%2Fi%5D%2C which is the first book of the %5Bi%5DExpanse%5B%2Fi%5D series that currently sits at 9 books %28if one excludes side stories and novellas%29.  By contrast%2C the longest book in my audio library is the %22complete and uncut%22 version of %5Bi%5DThe Stand%5B%2Fi%5D which is just shy of 48 hours long for a single book...which just happens to be over 1100%2B pages long and thick enough to beat someone with.%0D%0A%0D%0ABy the way%2C if you%27re looking for audiobook suggestions%2C I recommend the %22complete%22 version of Max Brooks%27 %5Bi%5DWorld War Z%5B%2Fi%5D.  Not only does Brooks read his parts as the author%2Fnarrator%2C but they spent real money hiring a cast of actors big and small to read individual chapters.  
2|1|0|||||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|TsukaiStarburst||02:35:22|01/11/2024|...calm of peace. They... transposed one letter.
4|2|2|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Gryphon||06:19:00|01/11/2024|%3E...calm of peace. They... transposed one letter. %0D%0A%0D%0AYeah%2C I get that. It%27s just funny to me that the narrator just... went ahead and said it that way. %0D%0A%0D%0A--G. %0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
3|1|0|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|The Traitor||03:19:23|01/11/2024|The Clam of Peace was discarded in the Second Tunicate Wars%2C wherein Hannibarnacal led his soldiers across the Bivalps.%0D%0A%0D%0AIn conclusion%2C Crawfage must be destroyed.%0D%0A%0D%0A---%0D%0A%22She%27s old%2C she%27s lame%2C she%27s barren too%2C %2F%2F %22She%27s not worth feed or hay%2C %2F%2F %22But I%27ll give her this%2C%22 - he blew smoke at me - %2F%2F %22She was something in her day.%22 -- Garnet Rogers%2C %5Bi%5DSmall Victory%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AFiMFiction.net%3A we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have %5Bi%5Dstandards%5B%2Fi%5D.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5Dhowever much these hurt you%2C remember they hurt me first.%5B%2Fsmall%5D
5|2|3|||||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|dbrandon||08:25:47|01/11/2024|%3Aslowclap%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A--%0D%0Adbrandon
6|2|3|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Peter Eng||12:36:38|01/11/2024|Well played.%0D%0A%0D%0AI was imagining the Clam of Peace as a mysterious culinary delicacy%2C the recipe long lost to time.%0D%0A%0D%0AProbably something involving wrapping shelled clams in cannabis leaves and other seasonings before roasting.%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0AInsert humorous comment here.
7|3|6|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Sofaspud||14:15:41|01/11/2024|%0D%0A%3EProbably something involving wrapping shelled clams in cannabis leaves %0D%0A%3Eand other seasonings before roasting. %0D%0A%0D%0AIn that case%2C surely you would bake it%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A--sofaspud%0D%0A--now I know where the phrase %27happy as a clam%27 came from
8|4|7|||||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Kendra Kirai||00:34:37|01/12/2024|Boiled in the milk of human kindness.
12|4|7|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Peter Eng||15:23:13|01/14/2024|%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EProbably something involving wrapping shelled clams in cannabis leaves %0D%0A%3E%3Eand other seasonings before roasting. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EIn that case%2C surely you would bake it%3F %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0Aouch.%0D%0A%0D%0AYou have a good point.%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0AInsert humorous comment here.
9|2|3|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Gryphon||00:36:35|01/12/2024|%3EThe Clam of Peace was discarded in the Second Tunicate Wars%2C wherein %0D%0A%3EHannibarnacal led his soldiers across the Bivalps. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EIn conclusion%2C Crawfage must be destroyed. %0D%0A%0D%0AMan%2C Geoduck the Elder was such a dick.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
10|3|9|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|MoonEyes||03:38:49|01/12/2024|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-24 AT 12:53 PM (EST)]%3EMan%2C Geoduck the Elder was such a dick. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E--G. %0D%0A%0D%0AWould that make them Geodick%3F %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AEDIT%3A Also%2C needed to put this in that I ran across literally moments ago.%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FGDpcfz7WYAA4DkY.jpg%0D%0A%0D%0A...%21%0D%0AStoke Mandeville%2C Esq %26 The %0D%0AVictorian Ballsmiths%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5D%22Nobody Want Verdigris-%0D%0ACovered Balls%21%22%5B%2Fsmall%5D
13|4|10|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Gryphon||16:29:51|01/14/2024|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-24 AT 04:30 PM (EST)]Heh%2C that%27s pretty good.  My favorite photo of one of those signs made the rounds on Twitter a few years ago.  IIRC%2C it was on a highway in Texas%2C and the message was along the lines of %22OMG IS THAT SNOW%3F%3F%3F WE%27RE ALL GONNA DIE%22%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
18|4|10|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Peter Eng||00:41:43|01/21/2024|%3E%0D%0A%3Ehttps%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FGDpcfz7WYAA4DkY.jpg %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%2Ahits up YouTube for %22Short Skirt%2C Long Jacket%22%2A%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0AInsert humorous comment here.
11|1|0|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|MoonEyes||03:44:41|01/12/2024|Having looked him up%2C Mr. Griffin is apparently a quite prominent voice actor and audio book reader%2C not only having won multiple awards for his reading%2C but he is considered THE %22voice of Sherlock Holmes%22.%0D%0AEven though%2C as you said%2C one might end up %22Zen%22 in the moment of reading%2C I would have thought such a person would have done better. %0D%0A%0D%0A...%21%0D%0AStoke Mandeville%2C Esq %26 The %0D%0AVictorian Ballsmiths%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5D%22Nobody Want Verdigris-%0D%0ACovered Balls%21%22%5B%2Fsmall%5D
14|2|11|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Gryphon||16:50:57|01/14/2024|%3EEven though%2C as you said%2C one might end up %22Zen%22 in the moment of %0D%0A%3Ereading%2C I would have thought such a person would have done better. %0D%0A%0D%0AUpon reflection%2C I wonder if that particular audiobook publisher has rules about sticking to the provided text no matter what.  I took a class in voice acting once%2C believe it or not%2C and that was one of the things the instructor mentioned can happen--sometimes the director%2Fproducer welcome input from the talent when something in the text doesn%27t make sense%2C but sometimes they really%2C really don%27t.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe thing is%2C all of the glaring errors I%27ve spotted in the text so far %28of which %22the clam of peace%22 is the funniest%2C which is why I posted about it%29 read %5Bi%5Duncannnily%5B%2Fi%5D like Optical Character Recognition errors.  The Russian history course I took as an undergrad was largely taught from a book that was long out-of-print%2C which the professor got around by distributing PDFs of lengthy extracts from a scan of the book.  Whoever did the scan mistakenly left Acrobat%27s crappy OCR on%2C which caused many... interesting... misinterpretations of the text.  After a while the scan engine%27s habits started to become so familiar that I stopped even noticing the weirdness and just parsed what was %5Bi%5Dmeant%5B%2Fi%5D rather than what was actually %5Bi%5Dthere%5B%2Fi%5D in most cases.%0D%0A%0D%0AWhether he voiced the weirdness inherent in such a thing because of reader trance or because the recording personnel %28who you would think would have noticed it too%29 insisted on following the provided text exactly%2C I have no idea%2C  but with that experience in the back of my head%2C I can%27t shake the suspicion that Griffin was working from a similarly janky scan of %5Bi%5DDecline and Fall%5B%2Fi%5D. %0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
15|3|14|||||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|zwol||22:43:43|01/19/2024|I%27ve heard from friends who work in the publishing industry that%2C until surprisingly recently%2C traditional publishers didn%27t bother keeping any sort of editable master copy of any of their books.  They might keep printing plates in case they needed to do another print run%2C but if they were gonna bring out a new %5Bi%5Dedition%5B%2Fi%5D%2C audiobooks included%2C the procedure was to go back to the author for a fresh copy of the manuscript.  And if the author was no longer available or didn%27t keep a copy%2C they%27d have to hire someone to transcribe what they%27d printed.%0D%0A%0D%0AI think they would say that OCR errors are to be expected in audiobook scripts for books published more than about 10-15 years ago.
16|4|15|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Gryphon||00:38:16|01/20/2024|%3EI%27ve heard from friends who work in the publishing industry that%2C %0D%0A%3Euntil surprisingly recently%2C traditional publishers didn%27t bother %0D%0A%3Ekeeping any sort of editable master copy of any of their books.%0D%0A%0D%0AThat stands to reason.  In the days before digital storage%2C there would%27ve been no economical%2C or even physically possible%2C way to do that.  Physical type is heavy%21  And expensive%21  Never mind keeping a whole book%27s worth%2C once the plate for a given %5Bi%5Dpage%5B%2Fi%5D was made%2C the master type would have to be broken up and reorganized into the next one.  As for the days %5Bi%5Dafter%5B%2Fi%5D digital storage when they still didn%27t do it%2C well... the publishing industry is famous for the glacial pace at which it adopts new technologies%2C which is kind of funny for an industry that was literally founded on fast-paced technological innovation.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EThey might keep printing plates in case they needed to do another print run%2C %0D%0A%3Ebut if they were gonna bring out a new %5Bi%5Dedition%5B%2Fi%5D%2C audiobooks included%2C the %0D%0A%3Eprocedure was to go back to the author for a fresh copy of the manuscript.%0D%0A%0D%0AMm%2C and that would be tricky in this particular instance%2C since Edward Gibbon died in 1794.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EAnd if the author was no longer available or %0D%0A%3Edidn%27t keep a copy%2C they%27d have to hire someone to transcribe what %0D%0A%3Ethey%27d printed. %0D%0A%0D%0AOr just forego editability altogether and photographically reproduce an earlier edition page by page%21  That happens even today.  The people who republished Edward Jablonski%27s %5Bi%5DFlying Fortress%5B%2Fi%5D a few years ago seem to have literally just... scanned an existing copy of the 1968 edition%2C printed it out%2C and stuck it between a new set of covers.  Maybe they didn%27t even scan it%2C it might just be a stack of photocopies.  The reproduction of the photos from the original %28of which I have a copy%2C but it%27s falling apart%2C hence why I bought a copy of the repop%29 looks exactly like you would expect a photocopy of a book page to look.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EI think they would say that OCR errors are to be expected in audiobook %0D%0A%3Escripts for books published more than about 10-15 years ago. %0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C yeah%2C but what I don%27t understand is... it%27s an audiobook.  Why didn%27t they just have him... like... read the %5Bi%5Dbook%3F%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
17|5|16|||||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|zwol||12:45:35|01/20/2024|%3E%3EI think they would say that OCR errors are to be expected in audiobook %0D%0A%3E%3Escripts for books published more than about 10-15 years ago. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EWell%2C yeah%2C but what I don%27t understand is... it%27s an audiobook.  Why %0D%0A%3Edidn%27t they just have him... like... read the %5Bi%5Dbook%3F%5B%2Fi%5D %0D%0A%0D%0AThey wanted to send him an electronic file instead of a paper copy of the book%3F  It%27s awkward to put a paperback book on a music stand unless you%27re OK with cutting off the spine%3F  The typeface was too small for comfort%3F  I dunno%2C it does seem weird.
19|4|15|||||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Senji||11:58:29|01/22/2024|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jan-22-24 AT 12:01 PM (EST)]The Terry Pratchett Discworld book %22Feet of Clay%22 had two hardback first editions %28UK and US%29 and then a paperback edition published by a third publisher %28Gollancz%2C HarperPrism%2C Corgi respectively%29%2C but for whatever reason Corgi didn%27t have access to a manuscript while they were preparing their copy %28possibly it was in the US with HarperPrism%29 and they used OCR.  Clearly they had some problems with this because the first edition had a significant number of places where %27cl%27 replaced %27d%27 at the start of a word...
20|5|19|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Peter Eng||12:41:04|01/22/2024|%3EClearly they had some problems with this because %0D%0A%3Ethe first edition had a significant number of places where %27cl%27 %0D%0A%3Ereplaced %27d%27 at the start of a word... %0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C that was a click move.%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0AInsert humorous comment here.
21|1|0|||1||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|Gryphon||23:44:31|03/12/2024|Fairly late in %5Bi%5DDecline and Fall%5B%2Fi%5D%2C Gibbon described one of the endless series of Byzantine civil wars in which it seemed like practically everybody involved was named Alexius--including both the emperor who was deposed%2C and the person who seized his throne.  In order to tell them apart%2C he came up with%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont face%3D%22times%22 color%3D%22black%22%5D... his common appellation of Alexius must be discriminated by the epithet of Mourzoufle%2C which in the vulgar idiom expressed the close junction of his black and shaggy eyebrows.%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AAh%2C yes.  That infamous Byzantine usurper%2C good ol%27 Alex Monobrow.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
22|1|0|||||RE%3A The what of peace%2C now%3F|BroderTuck||12:10:00|04/16/2024|This thread reminds me of the first DVD special of %22Maria-sama ga miteru%22%2C where one of the VAs does this %28reads the misprint out loud%29 and gets told off.