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0|0|0|||1||S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Gryphon||22:58:55|09/21/2013|%28on Corwin making Utena a Water Tribe betrothal necklace%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%3E%3EIt seems a bit... I dunno. Cultural appropriation is usually something %0D%0A%3E%3E%3Ethat is not cool.%0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EIs is appropriation when one of them gave it to you%3F  When you have a %0D%0A%3E%3Egenuine affection for the South Pole%2C its people%2C its cuisine%2C and so %0D%0A%3E%3Eforth%3F  When you%27ve made the Water Tribe%27s most famous daughter your %0D%0A%3E%3Eown daughter%27s godmother%2C and%2C oh yes%2C %5Bi%5Dshe%27s also your own%3F%5B%2Fi%5D  I %0D%0A%3E%3Edunno.  It seems more like respectful admiration to me.%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EI was way more preachy about that than I should have been%2C wasn%27t I%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AYes.%0D%0A%0D%0ABut%2C in looking through the logfiles from the movement%27s construction%2C I was reminded of a related thing that I %5Bi%5Ddid%5B%2Fi%5D find a bit dismaying.  It%27s not actually about %22cultural appropriation%22 %28which I still don%27t think this is%3B if anything%2C it%27s %22cultural accepting-as-a-nice-thing-to-do%22%29%2C but it %5Bi%5Dis%5B%2Fi%5D about Sending the Wrong Message.%0D%0A%0D%0ASee%2C I initially intended Corwin%27s reply to Korra%27s question about whether he%27d started on Utena%27s necklace to be yes.  In fact%2C it had occurred to me that it would be a nice thing if he made something at-least-internally-to-the-organization official with Anthy before their daughter was born%2C so he was going to round up %28probably with Korra%27s help%29 another set of the materials the next day%2C then get them %5Bi%5Dboth%5B%2Fi%5D done%2C possibly with a Christmas 2404-style all-nighter%2C to be presented the day after that - because he could hardly see clear to propose to Anthy if he hadn%27t finished Utena%27s first%2C having %5Bi%5Dalready married%5B%2Fi%5D her - there%27s doing stuff in the wrong order and then there%27s just bollixing the timetable up %5Bi%5Dcompletely%5B%2Fi%5D.  Or that%27s how he figures it%2C anyway.  He%27s makin%27 this stuff up as he goes along.%0D%0A%0D%0AExcept... doing it that way%2C rounding up the materials on Tuesday and pulling an all-nighter%2C would mean that he%27d be doing all of that - proposing to Anthy and sorta-retroactively to Utena too - on Wednesday%2C which is their %5Bi%5Down%5B%2Fi%5D anniversary.  Which%2C well.  What message does that send%2C exactly%3F  It seems a bit... %22Hey%2C happy anniversary%2C you crazy kids%2C and by the way%2C YOU BOTH BELONG TO ME.%22  He wouldn%27t %5Bi%5Dmean%5B%2Fi%5D it that way - hell%2C they wouldn%27t %5Bi%5Dtake%5B%2Fi%5D it that way%21 - but it%27s... there.%0D%0A%0D%0ANow%2C whether Corwin actually %5Bi%5Dhad%5B%2Fi%5D that train of thought %28less the part about knowing Wednesday was his absolute deadline%2C obviously%29 and decided to take his time with the project instead%2C I%27m not sure%2C but at least %5Bi%5Done%5B%2Fi%5D of us recognized that it would be potentially awkward timing. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
1|1|0|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Mercutio||11:21:35|09/22/2013|%0D%0A%3EBut%2C in looking through the logfiles from the movement%27s construction%2C %0D%0A%3EI was reminded of a related thing that I %5Bi%5Ddid%5B%2Fi%5D find a bit %0D%0A%3Edismaying.  It%27s not actually about %22cultural appropriation%22 %28which I %0D%0A%3Estill don%27t think this is%3B if anything%2C it%27s %22cultural %0D%0A%3Eaccepting-as-a-nice-thing-to-do%22%29%2C %0D%0A%0D%0AKnowing Corwin%27s background with the water tribes now%2C combined with the fact that you can conveniently assign any cultural weight you want to the necklace tradition%2C it makes my initial objection even more comically overstated on my part%2C especially since it wasn%27t meant to be an objection at all%2C more of a %22you%27re sort of edging toward awkward and potentially not-cool ground%22 observation.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EExcept... doing it that way%2C rounding up the materials on Tuesday and %0D%0A%3Epulling an all-nighter%2C would mean that he%27d be doing all of that - %0D%0A%3Eproposing to Anthy and sorta-retroactively to Utena too - on %0D%0A%3EWednesday%2C which is their %5Bi%5Down%5B%2Fi%5D anniversary.  Which%2C well.  What %0D%0A%3Emessage does that send%2C exactly%3F  It seems a bit... %22Hey%2C happy %0D%0A%3Eanniversary%2C you crazy kids%2C and by the way%2C YOU BOTH BELONG TO ME.%22  %0D%0A%3EHe wouldn%27t %5Bi%5Dmean%5B%2Fi%5D it that way - hell%2C they wouldn%27t %5Bi%5Dtake%5B%2Fi%5D %0D%0A%3Eit that way%21 - but it%27s... there. %0D%0A%0D%0AAs a guy intensely interested in both process and narrative implication%2C I like that you take the time as an author to consider this stuff. Polyamory is hard%21 It%27s not just about having two awesome and exotic partners%2C it%27s about the delicate balance of which parts of the relationship belong to all of the participants and which parts belong only to sub-components of the greater whole.%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27ve read... a lot of bad harem stories. Not just fanfiction%2C I mean stuff people have gotten paid real money to publish. %28I%27m looking in your direction%2C John Ringo.%29 A %5Bi%5Dlot%5B%2Fi%5D of them. Even getting to the point where you consider %22maybe having the one guy in the triad present symbols with more than a little patriarchal baggage to the two ladies in it%2C on THEIR anniversary%2C is something that could possibly send the wrong message%22 puts you miles and miles ahead of other people.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnyway%2C I think you definitely made the correct call here. I mean%2C for whatever my opinion is worth. I%27m wrong an awful lot%21%0D%0A%0D%0A-Merc%0D%0AKeep Rat%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5D%22Remember%2C if approached by a librarian%2C keep still. %5Bi%5DDo not run away%5B%2Fi%5D. Try to make yourself bigger than the librarian.%22%5B%2Fsmall%5D
2|2|1|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Peter Eng||13:48:40|09/22/2013|%3E%0D%0A%3EI%27ve read... a lot of bad harem stories. Not just fanfiction%2C I mean %0D%0A%3Estuff people have gotten paid real money to publish. %28I%27m looking in %0D%0A%3Eyour direction%2C John Ringo.%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0ALet me guess.  Rise of the Kildar%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Blink%3Ahradzka.livejournal.com%2F194753.html%3Fthread%3D760769%23t760769%7CI still think this is the best commentary on that series.%5D  Even John Ringo knows it%27s male-fantasy BS%2C but popular demand is weird.%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0AInsert humorous comment here.
3|3|2|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Mercutio||22:41:40|09/22/2013|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-13 AT 10:52 PM (EDT)]Ringo has done %22one guy and multiple ladies%22 more than just in his Kildar stuff %28although I think Kildar could be redeemed if he had the balls to insist on his original vision for the ending of it%29 and it%27s always been... ugly and disturbing. I reached for him as an example because he%27s a commercially successful author who has decided to piss in this particular pool more than once. I could have used others%2C I guess.%0D%0A%0D%0A-Merc%0D%0AKeep Rat%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5D%22At least everyone can get Amazon deliveries again. As their slogan says%2C %93Amazon.com %97 The only website now. Where did the rest of them go%3F Do not ask. Do not ask.%94%5B%2Fsmall%5D
4|2|1|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Gryphon||22:51:18|09/22/2013|%3EI%27ve read... a lot of bad harem stories.%0D%0A%0D%0AI think the main problem is that the increase in complexity %28for the characters themselves%2C let alone the person who has to manage describing what they%27re doing%29 isn%27t linear.  Dealing with three characters in a relationship isn%27t twice as hard as two%2C it%27s more like nine times as hard.  With four it%27d be sixteen.  Gods help you if you ever have to go past that%2C it probably turns into a %5Bi%5Dlogarithmic%5B%2Fi%5D progression at that point.  In Zeta Cygni%2C polygamy is legal%2C but any combination of more than four people has to go before a review board before adding anybody else to make sure everybody involved can actually deal with that action.%2A%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5D%2A That second part is probably a joke.  I hope it is%2C anyway.%5B%2Fsmall%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
5|3|4|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Mercutio||23:25:13|09/22/2013|%3EI think the main problem is that the increase in complexity %28for the %0D%0A%3Echaracters themselves%2C let alone the person who has to manage describing %0D%0A%3Ewhat they%27re doing%29 isn%27t linear.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe main problem if you%27re actually trying to treat the subject with the respect it deserves%2C anyway. If you view a harem of hard-bodied exotic women as a kind of reward you give a male character just for being awesome%2C or as a way to titillate your audience%2C it suddenly gets so much easier%21 %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EThat second part is probably a joke. I hope it is%2C anyway.%0D%0A%0D%0AIf I were to put my overthinking cap on%2C I would imagine that rather than a formal review board%2C social services keeps a very close eye on any polygamous arrangement that goes above four and seems to have a very%2C very lopsided gender ratio%2C in order to keep a lid on religious whackjobs or to let the IPO know that they think they%27ve got a sentient trafficking organization on their hands.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28I think literally every CSI series%2C as well as NCIS%2C did some kind of %27using marriage laws to facilitate human trafficking%27 episode. Probably all of the Law and Orders%2C too. A bit too dark for CSI%3A New Avalon%2C tho.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A-Merc%0D%0AKeep Rat%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5D%22I%92m still not completely sold on there being more than one mountain. It%92s possible that the mountain apologists built a single mountain in order to prove their skewed world view.%22%5B%2Fsmall%5D
6|4|5|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Gryphon||23:45:15|09/22/2013|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-13 AT 11:45 PM (EDT)]%3EIf I were to put my overthinking cap on%2C%0D%0A%0D%0A... it comes off%3F %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EI would imagine that rather %0D%0A%3Ethan a formal review board%2C social services keeps a very close eye on %0D%0A%3Eany polygamous arrangement that goes above four and seems to have a %0D%0A%3Every%2C very lopsided gender ratio%2C in order to keep a lid on religious %0D%0A%3Ewhackjobs or to let the IPO know that they think they%27ve got a %0D%0A%3Esentient trafficking organization on their hands. %0D%0A%0D%0AYou%27re probably right about that part%2C though.%0D%0A%0D%0AMind you%2C there are almost certainly species for which that kind of thing is the norm%2C but they tend to be sort of more... %5Bi%5Deusocial%5B%2Fi%5D than anything else.  For lifeforms with more numerically limited reproductive biology%2C one expects it%27s a very delicate politico-legal balancing act between keeping people from getting hurt and not screwing with the lives they want.  Politico-legal systems are not historically%2C um%2C %5Bi%5Dgifted%5B%2Fi%5D in this regard%3F  But since that%27s exactly the sort of thing I %5Bi%5Ddon%27t%5B%2Fi%5D want to spend a lot of time on%2C I prefer to believe that the Republic of Zeta Cygni%27s gotten pretty good at it.  For one thing%2C the legal machinery of the republic is capable of doing a lot more reasoned%2C measured case-by-case consideration of such matters than real life%27s logistically obligatory lowest-common-denominator approach.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe %22review board%22 thing is a common Avalonian joke%2C though.  I thought of it here because it%27s probably going to get made in one of the conversations in TbS3.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5D%22Oh%2C so%2C we%27re still in the clear%2C then.%22%5B%2Fsmall%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
7|5|6|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|The Traitor||05:50:12|09/23/2013|I think we can take that as read. New Avalon%27s always seemed to run on the Coulson approach to bureaucracy%2C rather than the Pointy-Haired Boss one. The New Avalon Civil Service will get you exactly what you need exactly when you need it%3B it may not be what you originally %5Bi%5Dwanted%5B%2Fi%5D%2C but once you start using it%2C you%27ll end up wondering why you didn%27t. I used to wonder how it was all paid for%2C but then I remembered that not only do a lot of rich Wedge Rats live there%2C they%27re pretty universally civic-minded%2C so would probably be okay with paying their taxes and not go through elaborate shell games of creative accountancy. That and the NAPD fraud squad%27s got a boatload of teeps in it.%0D%0A%0D%0A---%0D%0A%22Yeah%2C I%27m definitely going to hell%2FBut I%27ll have all the best stories to tell%22 -- Frank Turner%2C The Ballad of Me and My Friends
9|6|7|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Peter Eng||12:50:06|09/23/2013|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Sep-23-13 AT 12:50 PM (EDT)]%3EI used to wonder how it was all paid for%2C but then I %0D%0A%3Eremembered that not only do a lot of rich Wedge Rats live there%2C %0D%0A%3Ethey%27re pretty universally civic-minded%2C so would probably be okay %0D%0A%3Ewith paying their taxes and not go through elaborate shell games of %0D%0A%3Ecreative accountancy. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AConsidering that some of them probably have wealth beyond reason%2C I could see a Wedge Rat going through elaborate shell games of creative accountancy to %5Bi%5Dincrease%5B%2Fi%5D his or her taxable income one year%2C either something needs funding%2C or just as a joke.%0D%0A%0D%0APeter Eng%0D%0A--%0D%0A%22Zoner%2C I just noticed you paid cr 232%2C323.23 in taxes last year.%22
10|7|9|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|The Traitor||17:35:19|09/23/2013|After one of them suggested a tax wheeze that involved actually paying the government of New Avalon five times the total sum saved to set up a bursary in the College of Chartered Accountancy%2C most of the high-ranking members of that august body had to have a sit down. And a cry.%0D%0A%0D%0A---%0D%0A%22Yeah%2C I%27m definitely going to hell%2FBut I%27ll have all the best stories to tell%22 -- Frank Turner%2C The Ballad of Me and My Friends
8|3|4|||||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|zwol||09:48:09|09/23/2013|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Sep-23-13 AT 09:48 AM (EDT)]%3EI think the main problem is that the increase in complexity %28for the %0D%0A%3Echaracters themselves%2C let alone the person who has to manage %0D%0A%3Edescribing what they%27re doing%29 isn%27t linear.  Dealing with three %0D%0A%3Echaracters in a relationship isn%27t twice as hard as two%2C it%27s more %0D%0A%3Elike nine times as hard.%0D%0A%0D%0AYah%2C seriously.%0D%0A%0D%0AI was actually in a polyamorous relationship for a while%2C and the thing that makes this even worse is%2C in real life nice tidy trios and foursomes are quite rare.  What tends to happen is %5Bi%5Dchains%5B%2Fi%5D.  Alice is dating Bob and Betsy%2C each of whom is dating two or three other people%2C and each of %5Bi%5Dthose%5B%2Fi%5D people is dating a few more people%2C and so on%3B there are probably some loops back in there%2C but it%27s not unlikely that Alice hasn%27t even %5Bi%5Dmet%5B%2Fi%5D all of the people at more than two removes from her -- but they can all potentially screw up her plans for the week.%0D%0A%0D%0AIt is very like the old joke about how green soldiers talk strategy but old soldiers talk logistics.
11|4|8|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Gryphon||00:10:26|09/24/2013|%3EI was actually in a polyamorous relationship for a while%2C and the %0D%0A%3Ething that makes this even worse is%2C in real life nice tidy trios and %0D%0A%3Efoursomes are quite rare.%0D%0A%0D%0AOn the other hand%2C situations where not everybody is necessarily into everybody else probably both complicate %5Bi%5Dand%5B%2Fi%5D simplify matters to a certain extent.  %27Cause it%27s true%2C I%27ve known people who were into that sort of thing%2C and their networks tended to be a bit more distributed.  %28A woman whose husband%27s girlfriend is not also %5Bi%5Dher%5B%2Fi%5D girlfriend%2C but from whom that other branch is not a secret%3B and such-like.%29  %0D%0A%0D%0AWe haven%27t really seen that happen in any of the really prominent plural relationships in the Symphonies so far%2C that I can recall off the top of my head %28with the obvious and special exemption of Azalynn%29.  They tend to be reasonably closed units%2C like %22conventional%22 relationships with an extra person in them.  This is not as a result of any particular conscious agenda on my part%2C I should note%2C but it does seem to be how such matters have unfolded for me thus far.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
14|5|11|||||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|zwol||11:59:10|09/24/2013|To be clear%2C I wasn%27t criticizing the plural relationships in SoS%3B they all seem %28to me%29 like %22what the characters would do%22.  %28Except that the Juri%2FMiki%2FKaitlyn thing kinda came out of left field for me%2C but I haven%27t seen most of RGU so I don%27t have a solid sense of Juri in particular.  It didn%27t seem %5Bi%5Dout%5B%2Fi%5D of character%2C just unexpected%2C if that makes sense%3F%29%0D%0A%0D%0AIn real life I suspect the prevalence of long chains is tied to the lack of general social acceptance for polyfidelity%2C which pushes the people who are into that sort of thing into a subculture.  So you%2C say%2C meet someone on an online dating site who is into that%2C decide to give it a try%2C they introduce you to their friends%2C and now you are socializing with %5Bi%5Dlots%5B%2Fi%5D of people who are also into that.  %28This is approximately what happened to me.%29  If it were considered more normal%2C it might be more likely to be something that Alice and Bob and Carol decide to do just the three of them.
15|6|14|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Gryphon||12:54:22|09/24/2013|%3ETo be clear%2C I wasn%27t criticizing the plural relationships in SoS%3B %0D%0A%3Ethey all seem %28to me%29 like %22what the characters would do%22.  %0D%0A%0D%0ADidn%27t think you were%3B to be honest%2C probably wouldn%27t have cared if you had. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%28Except %0D%0A%3Ethat the Juri%2FMiki%2FKaitlyn thing kinda came out of left field for me%2C %0D%0A%3Ebut I haven%27t seen most of RGU so I don%27t have a solid sense of Juri %0D%0A%3Ein particular.  It didn%27t seem %5Bi%5Dout%5B%2Fi%5D of character%2C just %0D%0A%3Eunexpected%2C if that makes sense%3F%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C it was unexpected to %5Bi%5Dthem%5B%2Fi%5D%2C too%2C but there is actually a semi-canonical basis for it.  There are several illustrations in the official RGU artworks showing Juri being uncharacteristically affectionate with Miki%2C including at least one where she%27s outright vamping him and he%27s sort of going %22... help%3F  I think%3F%22  It was that one that more or less inspired the schnapps scene. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EIn real life I suspect the prevalence of long chains is tied to the %0D%0A%3Elack of general social acceptance for polyfidelity%2C which pushes the %0D%0A%3Epeople who are into that sort of thing into a subculture.%0D%0A%0D%0ATrue%2C and... well%2C I%27m not sure if it%27s not something people in UF%27s 25th century have to deal with as much%2C or if it%27s just not something the central Symphony characters give much of a damn about.  Probably some ratio of both.  We%27re much more likely to see non-closed structures %28as it were%29 because of a lack of fully mutual inclination%2C and possibly because of circumstances that militate against fully meshed lifepaths%2C than because of social anxieties.  %0D%0A%0D%0ACome to think of it%2C there %5Bi%5Dis%5B%2Fi%5D an example of that sort of thing in the later Symphonies%3A Liza Shustal%27s male and female lovers%2C while friendly%2C have no particular interest in each other%2C and don%27t live anywhere near each other%2C so Liza%27s generally going to be either with one of them or the other%2C rarely both at once %28and never intimately%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
16|7|15|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Mercutio||17:02:12|09/24/2013|%0D%0A%3EWell%2C it was unexpected to %5Bi%5Dthem%5B%2Fi%5D%2C too%2C but there is actually a %0D%0A%3Esemi-canonical basis for it.  There are several illustrations in the %0D%0A%3Eofficial RGU artworks showing Juri being uncharacteristically %0D%0A%3Eaffectionate with Miki%2C including at least one where she%27s outright %0D%0A%3Evamping him and he%27s sort of going %22... help%3F  I think%3F%22  It was that %0D%0A%3Eone that more or less inspired the schnapps scene. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0ABack when I lived%2C ate%2C and slept Utena fandom%2C the standing joke there was that Miki was ALMOST a girl anyway%2C so that made it okay for Juri. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A... in hindsight%2C that%27s rather demeaning to both of them%2C but it was considered a funny thing to say at the time. And Miki%27s voice actress is just that... a voice %5Bi%5Dactress%5B%2Fi%5D.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%3EIn real life I suspect the prevalence of long chains is tied to the %0D%0A%3E%3Elack of general social acceptance for polyfidelity%2C which pushes the %0D%0A%3E%3Epeople who are into that sort of thing into a subculture.%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ETrue%2C and... well%2C I%27m not sure if it%27s not something people in UF%27s %0D%0A%3E25th century have to deal with as much%2C or if it%27s just not something %0D%0A%3Ethe central Symphony characters give much of a damn about. %0D%0A%0D%0AThey have to deal with it in at least some places on Earth. I think%3F I seem to recall Kaitlyn telling someone else at one point that while same-sex marriages were allowed in Zeta Cygni%2C they weren%27t allowed in the United States part of the EA at least. If the state isn%27t even okay with your parts not matching up%2C there probably isn%27t widespread societal acceptance of polyfidelity either.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe Doylist explanation%2C of course%2C is that twelve years ago the production team had no clue about how the Culture Wars were going to play out in the near future%2C let alone after four hundred years. The Watsonian explanation probably involves one of the numerous times that UF-America had an ugly%2C repressive authoritarian episode%2C resulting in rollbacks of rights.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28Sometimes when I go back through the parts of UF and the Featured Documents that deal explicitly with history and politics%2C mostly Redneck%27s stuff%2C I am left with the distinct impression that everyone SANE bailed out of Earth and headed for the colonies the second it was viable%2C leaving the homeworld to stew in it%27s own crazy juice and periodically immolate itself.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A-Merc%0D%0AKeep Rat%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5D%22Step 1%3A Write down the names of everyone you know. Step 2%3A Rearrange the letters. Step 3%3A This will reveal a great secret of time.%22%5B%2Fsmall%5D
13|4|8|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Mercutio||05:50:20|09/24/2013|%0D%0A%3EWhat tends to happen is %5Bi%5Dchains%5B%2Fi%5D.  %0D%0A%0D%0AIn the vein of this%2C I %5Blink%3Asexka.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F61929169169%2Fhey-this-is-my-boyfriend-bolin-this-is-bolins%7Csubmit without comment.%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A-Merc%0D%0AKeep Rat%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5D%22The government makes no secret that they can control the weather%2C and earthquakes%2C and monitor thoughts and activities. That%92s the stuff a big government is supposed to do%21 Obviously%2C you have never read the Constitution%21%22%5B%2Fsmall%5D
12|1|0|||||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|DaemeonX||03:38:42|09/24/2013|When I read through that part I though it was incredibly awesome of Corwin to be that accepting of the practices of Korra%27s tribe. Then again%2C if I had the avatar as my god parent in my formative years%2C I would be keen on learning about their culture and taking in their beliefs. %0D%0A%0D%0AWas Corwin adopted into the water tribe%3F I seem to remember reading that somewhere%2C but I advance in years and my memory isn%27t my strong suit anymore. 
17|2|12|||1||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|Gryphon||11:36:32|11/14/2013|Just noticed that I%27d failed to answer this%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EWas Corwin adopted into the water tribe%3F I seem to remember reading %0D%0A%3Ethat somewhere%2C but I advance in years and my memory isn%27t my strong %0D%0A%3Esuit anymore. %0D%0A%0D%0ANot formally%2C but his was a fairly familiar presence around Senna and parts of Nanisivik %28the Southern Water Tribe capital city%29 as a boy%3B before the Great Interruption he was usually there for a week or two %28not contiguous%29 per year%2C long enough and often enough that Korra%27s neighbors got to know him.  That%27s where he knows Karana from %28as seen in the changing room scene in %5Bi%5DPast Is Prologue%5B%2Fi%5D%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
18|3|17|||||RE%3A S5M6%3A Of Culture and Timing|DaemeonX||02:37:26|11/19/2013|%3EJust noticed that I%27d failed to answer this%3A %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EWas Corwin adopted into the water tribe%3F I seem to remember reading %0D%0A%3E%3Ethat somewhere%2C but I advance in years and my memory isn%27t my strong %0D%0A%3E%3Esuit anymore. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ENot formally%2C but his was a fairly familiar presence around Senna and %0D%0A%3Eparts of Nanisivik %28the Southern Water Tribe capital city%29 as a boy%3B %0D%0A%3Ebefore the Great Interruption he was usually there for a week or two %0D%0A%3E%28not contiguous%29 per year%2C long enough and often enough that Korra%27s %0D%0A%3Eneighbors got to know him.  That%27s where he knows Karana from %28as seen %0D%0A%3Ein the changing room scene in %5Bi%5DPast Is Prologue%5B%2Fi%5D%29. %0D%0A%0D%0AI had to go through the posts again to figure out where I was coming from. I find it ungracious of others when they find fault in people%2C or characters as this case might be%2C who are genuinely trying to fit another culture into their life. I really enjoy that Corwin takes cultures and entwines them with his own to create something new. %0D%0A%0D%0AI understand that if a person takes from another culture%2C just taking the good stuff%2C but not the actual work behind it%2C that it%27s a horrible thing to do. When one learns%2C grows and start to love another culture it%27s a wonderful thing that should be praised. %0D%0A%0D%0A