36||0|4567|0| 0|0|0|||1||Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Gryphon||14:31:52|02/23/2014|Y%27know%2C if I had it to do over again%2C I would probably have just gone ahead and called the %5Bi%5DSymphony No. 2%5B%2Fi%5D character who originally appeared under the name of B%27Elanna Torres something else. It%27s not unusual for UF characters to diverge%2C in some cases wildly%2C from their original sources%2C but B%27Elanna never even really started %5Bi%5Dout%5B%2Fi%5D as an approximation of the one on TV. She has a similar %5Bi%5Dbackstory%5B%2Fi%5D%2C the daughter of a Klingon woman and a human guy who was in %5Bi%5Dway%5B%2Fi%5D the fuck over his head and failed to cope in any way%2C but she%27s such a departure from that point on that I find myself suspecting her name may lead to expectations that are... more-than-usually not going to be fulfilled.%0D%0A%0D%0AThis ran through my head just now as I re-read the part of %5Bi%5DPrelude in A Minor%5B%2Fi%5D she%27s in. I like that bit%2C I like the personal journey it takes her on%2C but I don%27t think I did her any favors by assuming she was a variant of an established character when she%27s ever-more-clearly her own thing entirely.%0D%0A%0D%0AConnectedly%2C I find I%27m still pretty happy with %5Bi%5Dmost%5B%2Fi%5D of that story%2C even though a lot of it is setup for things that I may not get around to actually doing now. There are a lot of nice moments there which still stand up. Oddly enough%2C I %5Bi%5Ddon%27t%5B%2Fi%5D have the same feeling about the more-or-less-equally divergent figure of Ezri Tigan that I have about B%27Elanna. She%27s %5Bi%5Dsupposed%5B%2Fi%5D to be the-same-character-but-not right from the off%2C because of the absence of Dax%2C so she works for me.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D 1|1|0|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Mercutio||14:42:28|02/23/2014|Given the general lack of regard that all right-thinking people hold %5Bi%5DVoyager%5B%2Fi%5D in%2C I don%27t think there are going to be all that many expectations to disappoint here. B%27Elanna has a low bar to clear%2C is what I%27m saying.%0D%0A%0D%0AReally%2C I think you captured her essential B%27Elannaness in terms of personality%2C which means that the actual plot-based details of her life are less vital. Making another original character would have been fine as well%3B that whole period was kind of a golden age in UF for the addition of characters who were spun from whole cloth rather than imported from elsewhere. %28Ironically%2C many of them have ended up kind of falling by the wayside.%29 But I don%27t think this is the sort of thing that ought to haunt you.%0D%0A%0D%0ASidebar%3A I was pretty glad when Ezri showed up. I%27m a goddamn giant DS9 fan%3B best Star Trek series by far. %28Sorry%2C TNG. It is true.%29 But Ezri seems to catch an awful lot of flack from fans for%2C as near as I can tell%2C the grievous sin of not being Jadzia and not being played by Terry Farrel. So I like that she%27s kicking around in UF. And not bonding her with Dax%2C definitely the right call. That story has already told%2C it%27s called %22Season 7 of DS9.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A-Merc%0D%0AKeep Rat 2|1|0|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|CdrMike||23:02:29|02/23/2014|I have to agree with Mercutio%2C the B%27Elanna you introduced in UF is as close to the original character you can get without the ST version dropping in via plot contrivance. I%27ll say that in retrospect that what I hate about %5Bi%5DVoyager%5B%2Fi%5D is largely the same as what hated about %5Bi%5DEnterprise%5B%2Fi%5D%2C namely the wasted potential of the series. One of the orders from Berman early on was that all the human characters had to act as bland as possible%2C because he didn%27t feel the aliens that Voyager would encounter would be %22believable%22 if the cast was expressive and well-developed. In fact%2C part of the reason Ron Moore left %5Bi%5DVoyager%5B%2Fi%5D after three episodes in Season 5 was because inquiries about how to write the characters were met with blank looks and remarks that nobody had any real idea and to %22write them however you want.%22 %0D%0A%0D%0ABecause of that%2C in the words of SF Debris%2C B%27Elanna really had only three stories%3A %22Fix it%2C%22 %22Pissed off%2C%22 or %22Screw somebody.%22 They only ever seemed to realize that there was some character development to be had when they tried to broach the subject of her Klingon heritage%2C though most times it was just to have somebody remark about how being half-Klingon made her violent...and then getting a part of their body broken instead of a witty retort. But there were episodes where they handled it well%2C like %22Faces%2C%22 %22Day of Honor%2C%22 and %22Linage%2C%22 though admittedly the last is somewhat uncomfortable to watch considering the unethical lengths she was almost willing to go to deny said heritage.%0D%0A%0D%0AWhat I%27m saying in so many words is you did a great job making her work in UF and I as a Trekkie have no quibbles with how you%27ve treated her as a character...except perhaps that I%27d like to see more of her in the future. 3|2|2|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Gryphon||23:36:23|02/23/2014|%3EWhat I%27m saying in so many words is you did a great job making her %0D%0A%3Ework in UF and I as a Trekkie have no quibbles with how you%27ve treated %0D%0A%3Eher as a character...except perhaps that I%27d like to see more of her %0D%0A%3Ein the future. %0D%0A%0D%0AI%27m actually sort of working on that at the moment%2C which is why I happened to be having the musings that led to the original post. No promises%2C but. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D 4|2|2|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|juniper||16:08:15|02/24/2014|%3EI have to agree with Mercutio%2C the B%27Elanna you introduced in UF is as %0D%0A%3Eclose to the original character you can get without the ST version %0D%0A%3Edropping in via plot contrivance. I%27ll say that in retrospect that %0D%0A%3Ewhat I hate about %5Bi%5DVoyager%5B%2Fi%5D is largely the same as what hated %0D%0A%3Eabout %5Bi%5DEnterprise%5B%2Fi%5D%2C namely the wasted potential of the series. %0D%0A%3EOne of the orders from Berman early on was that all the human %0D%0A%3Echaracters had to act as bland as possible%2C because he didn%27t feel the %0D%0A%3Ealiens that Voyager would encounter would be %22believable%22 if the cast %0D%0A%3Ewas expressive and well-developed.%0D%0A%0D%0AI didn%27t know that. It just makes me despise the man so much more. %28I went off to college and lost access to TV on a regular basis just after Voyager debuted%2C and I %2Aloved%2A the idea of Kathryn Janeway. I%27m so frustrated by how the show ended up going.%29%0D%0A%0D%0AGrr. It could have been so cool...%0D%0A%0D%0AIn some universe%2C there%27s a cool Voyager out there. I just wish it were mine. 5|3|4|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Gryphon||16:31:54|02/24/2014|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Feb-24-14 AT 04:33 PM (EST)]%3EIn some universe%2C there%27s a cool Voyager out there. I just wish it %0D%0A%3Ewere mine. %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.eyrie-productions.com%2FForum%2Fdcboard.cgi%3Faz%3Dread_count%26om%3D34%26forum%3DDCForumID25%26viewmode%3Dthreaded%7CIn the UF universe%5D%2C the %5Bi%5DVoyager%5B%2Fi%5D equivalent among the many %5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance%5B%2Fi%5D series %28%5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance%3A Odyssey%5B%2Fi%5D%29 is the most beloved apart from the original series. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D 7|4|5|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|mdg1||16:58:04|02/24/2014|%3E%5Blink%3Awww.eyrie-productions.com%2FForum%2Fdcboard.cgi%3Faz%3Dread_count%26om%3D34%26forum%3DDCForumID25%26viewmode%3Dthreaded%7CIn the UF universe%5D%2C the %5Bi%5DVoyager%5B%2Fi%5D equivalent among the many %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance%5B%2Fi%5D series %28%5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance%3A %0D%0A%3EOdyssey%5B%2Fi%5D%29 is the most beloved apart from the original series. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0ASo... has the Battlecruiser Vengeance reboot gone over well%2C or are the Klingon aficionados still annoyed at the director%27s tendency to under-light scenes%3F 8|5|7|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|The Traitor||18:47:20|02/24/2014|On one thing are Imperial and Republic Klingons in agreement%2C and one thing alone%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AThere was no need for all that bloody lens flare.%0D%0A%0D%0A---%0D%0A%22She%27s old%2C she%27s lame%2C she%27s barren too%2C %2F%2F %22She%27s not worth feed or hay%2C %2F%2F %22But I%27ll give her this%2C%22 - he blew smoke at me - %2F%2F %22She was something in her day.%22 -- Garnet Rogers%2C %5Bi%5DSmall Victory%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AFiMFiction.net%3A we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have %5Bi%5Dstandards%5B%2Fi%5D. 9|5|7|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Gryphon||19:19:06|02/24/2014|%3ESo... has the Battlecruiser Vengeance reboot gone over well%2C or are %0D%0A%3Ethe Klingon aficionados still annoyed at the director%27s tendency to %0D%0A%3Eunder-light scenes%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AActually%2C although the fandom is about evenly split as to whether the newly redesigned %5Bi%5DVengeance%5B%2Fi%5D model is a triumph or a travesty%2C just about everyone agrees that the film%27s visuals are top-notch. The audio mix%2C on the other hand%2C is %5Bi%5Dappalling%5B%2Fi%5D in places%2C particularly during the scenes on the %5Bi%5DVengeance%5B%2Fi%5D%27s bridge%2C and more than a few people were puzzled by the decision to shoot the engine-room sequences in what was obviously a disused %5Bi%5Dgagh%5B%2Fi%5D cannery. Also%2C the guy who plays Koth looks about 12 and frankly lacks gravitas.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D 10|6|9|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|CdrMike||19:31:50|02/24/2014|%3EActually%2C although the fandom is about evenly split as to whether the %0D%0A%3Enewly redesigned %5Bi%5DVengeance%5B%2Fi%5D model is a triumph or a travesty%2C %0D%0A%3Ejust about everyone agrees that the film%27s visuals are top-notch. The %0D%0A%3Eaudio mix%2C on the other hand%2C is %5Bi%5Dappalling%5B%2Fi%5D in places%2C %0D%0A%3Eparticularly during the scenes on the %5Bi%5DVengeance%5B%2Fi%5D%27s bridge%2C and %0D%0A%3Emore than a few people were puzzled by the decision to shoot the %0D%0A%3Eengine-room sequences in what was obviously a disused %5Bi%5Dgagh%5B%2Fi%5D %0D%0A%3Ecannery. Also%2C the guy who plays Koth looks about 12 and frankly %0D%0A%3Elacks gravitas. %0D%0A%0D%0AI understand there%27s been some controversy surrounding the big reveal in the sequel. And that some fans are deriding it as little more than a remake.%0D%0A%0D%0A 11|7|10|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Gryphon||19:48:46|02/24/2014|%3EI understand there%27s been some controversy surrounding the big reveal %0D%0A%3Ein the sequel. And that some fans are deriding it as little more than %0D%0A%3Ea remake. %0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C c%27mon%2C I mean%2C who saw the %5Bi%5Dfirst poster%5B%2Fi%5D for %5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance Falling%5B%2Fi%5D and didn%27t immediately know that guy was Captain Kor%3F I mean%2C really%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AI don%27t know if the %22remake%22 thing is entirely fair%2C though. I mean%2C BVF calls on so %5Bi%5Dmany%5B%2Fi%5D of the old show%27s worst habits - the criminal flag officer%2C the sekrit super-battlecruiser that%27s more powerful than the %5Bi%5DVengeance%5B%2Fi%5D%2C somebody trying to engineer a war with Zeta Cygni%3B there are far more trenchant things to bitch about there than whining about it being a remake of %5Bi%5DThe Wrath of Kor%5B%2Fi%5D. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D 12|8|11|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Offsides||10:18:48|02/25/2014|I just want to say that your fictional alternates to a fictional show that was created %5Bi%5Dinside%5B%2Fi%5D a fictional universe are just %5Bi%5Dawesome%5B%2Fi%5D. Thank you for making me smile. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0AOffsides %28it%27s a meta-fictional moebius loop %3AP%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%26%2391%3B...%26%2393%3B in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles.%0D%0A -- David Ben Gurion%0D%0AEPU RCW %23%26pi%3B%0D%0A%23include %3Cstdsig.h%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A 13|9|12|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Gryphon||12:48:50|02/25/2014|%3EI just want to say that your fictional alternates to a fictional show %0D%0A%3Ethat was created %5Bi%5Dinside%5B%2Fi%5D a fictional universe are just %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5Dawesome%5B%2Fi%5D. Thank you for making me smile. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AYou%27re welcome. I%27ve always had fun with the UF universe%27s internal pop culture when it crops up%2C and the old %5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance%5B%2Fi%5D file is still a favorite%2C though it could stand some revising%3B good Grodd%2C it%27s nine years old%21%0D%0A%0D%0AI like to think that later installments in the %5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance%5B%2Fi%5D reboot movie series are going to have increasingly obtuse titles in Standard translation%2C like Japanese video games. %5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance Oratorio Tangram%5B%2Fi%5D%2C %5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance Hollow Ataraxia%5B%2Fi%5D%2C that kind of thing. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D 18|10|13|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|SpottedKitty||17:40:08|02/25/2014|%3EI like to think that later installments in the %5Bi%5DBattlecruiser %0D%0A%3EVengeance%5B%2Fi%5D reboot movie series are going to have increasingly %0D%0A%3Eobtuse titles in Standard translation%2C like Japanese video games. %0D%0A%0D%0AShould be OK as long as the subtitle track doesn%27t have a %22Zero Wing translation%22 setting. The consequences would be too hideous %28and accidentally hilarious%29 to contemplate.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- %0D%0AUnable to save the day%3A File is read-only. 19|11|18|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Gryphon||18:57:49|02/25/2014|%3E%3EI like to think that later installments in the %5Bi%5DBattlecruiser %0D%0A%3E%3EVengeance%5B%2Fi%5D reboot movie series are going to have increasingly %0D%0A%3E%3Eobtuse titles in Standard translation%2C like Japanese video games. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EShould be OK as long as the subtitle track doesn%27t have a %22Zero Wing %0D%0A%3Etranslation%22 setting. The consequences would be too hideous %28and %0D%0A%3Eaccidentally hilarious%29 to contemplate. %0D%0A%0D%0AI have a Hong Kong bootleg of %5Bi%5DKing of Braves Gaogaigar%5B%2Fi%5D with an English subtitle track that appears to have been double-babelfished%3A machine translated from Japanese to Chinese%2C and then Chinese to English. It%27s... well%2C the only adjective I can think of that does it justice is %5Bi%5Depic%5B%2Fi%5D.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5DAlso%2C who doesn%27t love %5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance Zero Wing%5B%2Fi%5D%3F Just for the bit where Sensor Officer SpoQ turns to Koth and cries%2C %22Somebody set up us the bomb%21%22%5B%2Fsmall%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D 20|12|19|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|drakensis||02:31:42|02/26/2014|%3EI have a Hong Kong bootleg of %5Bi%5DKing of Braves Gaogaigar%5B%2Fi%5D with an %0D%0A%3EEnglish subtitle track that appears to have been double-babelfished%3A %0D%0A%3Emachine translated from Japanese to Chinese%2C and then Chinese to %0D%0A%3EEnglish. It%27s... well%2C the only adjective I can think of that does it %0D%0A%3Ejustice is %5Bi%5Depic%5B%2Fi%5D.%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27ve something similar for Legend of Galactic Heroes. It%27s quite impressive to hear them talking about battles involving tens of thousands of %5Bi%5Dfleets%5B%2Fi%5D on each side. 21|13|20|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|ebony14||09:11:51|02/26/2014|%3E%3EI have a Hong Kong bootleg of %5Bi%5DKing of Braves Gaogaigar%5B%2Fi%5D with an %0D%0A%3E%3EEnglish subtitle track that appears to have been double-babelfished%3A %0D%0A%3E%3Emachine translated from Japanese to Chinese%2C and then Chinese to %0D%0A%3E%3EEnglish. It%27s... well%2C the only adjective I can think of that does it %0D%0A%3E%3Ejustice is %5Bi%5Depic%5B%2Fi%5D.%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EI%27ve something similar for Legend of Galactic Heroes. It%27s quite %0D%0A%3Eimpressive to hear them talking about battles involving tens of %0D%0A%3Ethousands of %5Bi%5Dfleets%5B%2Fi%5D on each side. %0D%0A%0D%0AIn my group of friends%2C it%27s a bootleg of %22Giant Robo%2C%22 with some truly abhorrent spelling errors in the subtitling. So much that we generally refer to the show by the title that ended up on the bootleg%2C Gaint Bobo.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bsmall%5DNot that I don%27t like %22Giant Robo%2C%22 mind you. It%27s still one of my favorite anime. But it was a truly awful subtitling.%5B%2Fsmall%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AEbony the Black Dragon%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Life is like an anole. Sometimes it%27s green. Sometimes it%27s brown. But it%27s always a small Caribbean lizard.%22 16|6|9|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|CdrMike||14:43:40|02/25/2014|%3EActually%2C although the fandom is about evenly split as to whether the %0D%0A%3Enewly redesigned %5Bi%5DVengeance%5B%2Fi%5D model is a triumph or a travesty%2C %0D%0A%3Ejust about everyone agrees that the film%27s visuals are top-notch. The %0D%0A%3Eaudio mix%2C on the other hand%2C is %5Bi%5Dappalling%5B%2Fi%5D in places%2C %0D%0A%3Eparticularly during the scenes on the %5Bi%5DVengeance%5B%2Fi%5D%27s bridge%2C and %0D%0A%3Emore than a few people were puzzled by the decision to shoot the %0D%0A%3Eengine-room sequences in what was obviously a disused %5Bi%5Dgagh%5B%2Fi%5D %0D%0A%3Ecannery. Also%2C the guy who plays Koth looks about 12 and frankly %0D%0A%3Elacks gravitas. %0D%0A%0D%0AAnd the whole time travel plot%27s been done to death. I know this new director wants to make his mark%2C but blowing up a planet %5Bb%5Dand%5B%2Fb%5D killing Koth%27s father%3F Still%2C they did make some good casting choices like the new Du%27Han. And you%27d never know the actor playing Ma%27Qoy was from off-world. On the other hand%2C if the new ZheQov%27s accent were any thicker%2C you%27d need a bat%27leth to cut through it. 17|7|16|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Gryphon||16:06:12|02/25/2014|%3EOn the other hand%2C if the new ZheQov%27s accent %0D%0A%3Ewere any thicker%2C you%27d need a bat%27leth to cut through it. %0D%0A%0D%0AThat%27s always been part of ZheQov%27s charm%2C though%2C and the new one%27s habit of mumbling in the Klinzhai dialect while concentrating is just adorable.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D 14|4|5|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|juniper||13:27:33|02/25/2014|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-14 AT 01:28 PM (EST)]%3E%3EIn some universe%2C there%27s a cool Voyager out there. I just wish it %0D%0A%3E%3Ewere mine. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%5Blink%3Awww.eyrie-productions.com%2FForum%2Fdcboard.cgi%3Faz%3Dread_count%26om%3D34%26forum%3DDCForumID25%26viewmode%3Dthreaded%7CIn the UF universe%5D%2C the %5Bi%5DVoyager%5B%2Fi%5D equivalent among the many %0D%0A%3E%5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance%5B%2Fi%5D series %28%5Bi%5DBattlecruiser Vengeance%3A %0D%0A%3EOdyssey%5B%2Fi%5D%29 is the most beloved apart from the original series. %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AThis warms the cockles of my heart%2C in a lovely bloodthirsty sort of way. The idea of a Klingon Janeway just makes me grin and grin and grin. And then go get a steak. 22|5|14|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Gryphon||15:51:46|02/26/2014|%3EThis warms the cockles of my heart%2C in a lovely bloodthirsty sort of %0D%0A%3Eway. The idea of a Klingon Janeway just makes me grin and grin and %0D%0A%3Egrin. And then go get a steak. %0D%0A%0D%0AOoh%2C at the Argentinian place%3F That was awesome. I so want to go back there.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A%5Bfont size%3D%221%22%5Dalso Mr. Crepe%2C which admittedly may require time travel%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D 25|6|22|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|juniper||07:42:50|02/28/2014|%3E%3EThis warms the cockles of my heart%2C in a lovely bloodthirsty sort of %0D%0A%3E%3Eway. The idea of a Klingon Janeway just makes me grin and grin and %0D%0A%3E%3Egrin. And then go get a steak. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EOoh%2C at the Argentinian place%3F That was awesome. I so want to go %0D%0A%3Eback there. %0D%0A%0D%0AIt%27s not going anywhere. %3A%29 We%27ll see what happens next time you%27re down here.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%5Bfont size%3D%221%22%5Dalso Mr. Crepe%2C which admittedly may require time %0D%0A%3Etravel%5B%2Ffont%5D %0D%0A%0D%0AActually%2C it%27s reopened. It%27s not in the same location%2C but it%27s there... 26|7|25|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|twipper||09:26:22|02/28/2014|%0D%0A%3E%3E%5Bfont size%3D%221%22%5Dalso Mr. Crepe%2C which admittedly may require time %0D%0A%3E%3Etravel%5B%2Ffont%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0ASo read that as Mr Creep at passing glance and wondered just what kind of food a place named that would be serving...%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0ABrian%0D%0A 23|5|14|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|The Traitor||17:00:23|02/26/2014|Presumably the answer to SF Debris%27s old question%3A how do you make Janeway even more bloodthirsty%3F %3D%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A---%0D%0A%22She%27s old%2C she%27s lame%2C she%27s barren too%2C %2F%2F %22She%27s not worth feed or hay%2C %2F%2F %22But I%27ll give her this%2C%22 - he blew smoke at me - %2F%2F %22She was something in her day.%22 -- Garnet Rogers%2C %5Bi%5DSmall Victory%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AFiMFiction.net%3A we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have %5Bi%5Dstandards%5B%2Fi%5D. 24|6|23|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|CdrMike||19:02:18|02/26/2014|%3EPresumably the answer to SF Debris%27s old question%3A how do you make %0D%0A%3EJaneway even more bloodthirsty%3F %3D%5D %0D%0A%0D%0AYou take away her coffee. What is this%2C a trick question%3F 6|3|4|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Mercutio||16:48:57|02/24/2014|%0D%0A%3EI didn%27t know that. It just makes me despise the man so much more.%0D%0A%0D%0AOther Fun Rick Berman Facts%3A he once referred to an upcoming episode of ENT as finding T%27Pol in a %22sexy situation.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AThis was the episode where another Vulcan leads her on and then traps her in her own quarters and violates her with non-consensual mind-melding.%0D%0A%0D%0A-Merc%0D%0AKeep Rat 15|4|6|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|juniper||13:31:14|02/25/2014|%3E%3EI didn%27t know that. It just makes me despise the man so much more.%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EOther Fun Rick Berman Facts%3A he once referred to an upcoming episode %0D%0A%3Eof ENT as finding T%27Pol in a %22sexy situation.%22 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EThis was the episode where another Vulcan leads her on and then traps %0D%0A%3Eher in her own quarters and violates her with non-consensual %0D%0A%3Emind-melding. %0D%0A%0D%0AYou can stop now%2C I don%27t actually %2Aneed%2A more reasons to want to have a time machine and a baseball bat with a nail in it. 27|4|6|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Prince Charon||23:16:58|03/03/2014|%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EI didn%27t know that. It just makes me despise the man so much more.%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EOther Fun Rick Berman Facts%3A he once referred to an upcoming episode %0D%0A%3Eof ENT as finding T%27Pol in a %22sexy situation.%22 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EThis was the episode where another Vulcan leads her on and then traps %0D%0A%3Eher in her own quarters and violates her with non-consensual %0D%0A%3Emind-melding. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E-Merc %0D%0A%3EKeep Rat %0D%0A%0D%0AWow. Creepy.%0D%0A%0D%0A%22They planned their campaigns just as you might make a splendid piece of harness. It looks very well%3B and answers very well%3B until it gets broken%3B and then you are done for. Now I made my campaigns of ropes. If anything went wrong%2C I tied a knot%3B and went on.%22%0D%0A%09-- Arthur Wellesley%2C First Duke of Wellington 28|5|27|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Gryphon||23:38:31|03/03/2014|%3EWow. Creepy. %0D%0A%0D%0APoor T%27Pol. Stupid shit like that happened to her all the time. I eventually abandoned my position of extreme skepticism about her in large part on the premise that if the people making the %5Bi%5Dshow%5B%2Fi%5D didn%27t even like her%2C %5Bi%5Dsomebody%5B%2Fi%5D ought to.%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D 29|6|28|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|CdrMike||04:47:32|03/04/2014|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Mar-04-14 AT 04:48 AM (EST)]%3EPoor T%27Pol. Stupid shit like that happened to her all the time. I %0D%0A%3Eeventually abandoned my position of extreme skepticism about her in %0D%0A%3Elarge part on the premise that if the people making the %5Bi%5Dshow%5B%2Fi%5D %0D%0A%3Edidn%27t even like her%2C %5Bi%5Dsomebody%5B%2Fi%5D ought to. %0D%0A%0D%0AFun fact%2C Jolene Blalock is actually a hardcore Trekkie and%2C like Nimoy before her%2C often clashed with the writers and execs over how Vulcans were treated in the series. Also she thought it was silly that they%27d stop and reshoot entire scenes if a single hair on her head moved during a shot.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd then%2C of course%2C there was %5Bi%5DThese Are The Voyages...%5B%2Fi%5D 30|7|29|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Matrix Dragon||07:34:12|03/04/2014|%3EFun fact%2C Jolene Blalock is actually a hardcore Trekkie and%2C like %0D%0A%3ENimoy before her%2C often clashed with the writers and execs over how %0D%0A%3EVulcans were treated in the series. %0D%0A%0D%0ATim Russ too%2C for that matter. Vulcans are rather passionate underneath that logic%2C after all.%0D%0A%0D%0AMatrix Dragon%2C J. Random Nutter 31|8|30|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|CdrMike||08:13:46|03/04/2014|%3E%3EFun fact%2C Jolene Blalock is actually a hardcore Trekkie and%2C like %0D%0A%3E%3ENimoy before her%2C often clashed with the writers and execs over how %0D%0A%3E%3EVulcans were treated in the series. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3ETim Russ too%2C for that matter. Vulcans are rather passionate %0D%0A%3Eunderneath that logic%2C after all. %0D%0A%0D%0AYeah%2C the actors%2C especially the second generation who grew up with TOS and the films%2C were some of the most outspoken when it came to how things were supposed to work in Trek. Not so much in TNG%2C but by the time VOY and ENT came around.%0D%0A%0D%0AI understand much the same thing is happening on Nu-Who these days%2C since all the new Doctors grew up fans of the classic series. It%27s given them a bit more pull with the studio as to where the character goes%2C such as Smith convincing them to dump a %22Jack Sparrow%22 style outfit for Chinny in exchange for the tweed and bow tie. 32|9|31|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|Verbena||12:26:03|03/04/2014|%3E%3E%3EFun fact%2C Jolene Blalock is actually a hardcore Trekkie and%2C like %0D%0A%3E%3E%3ENimoy before her%2C often clashed with the writers and execs over how %0D%0A%3E%3E%3EVulcans were treated in the series. %0D%0A%3E%3E%0D%0A%3E%3ETim Russ too%2C for that matter. Vulcans are rather passionate %0D%0A%3E%3Eunderneath that logic%2C after all. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EYeah%2C the actors%2C especially the second generation who grew up with %0D%0A%3ETOS and the films%2C were some of the most outspoken when it came to how %0D%0A%3Ethings were supposed to work in Trek. Not so much in TNG%2C but by the %0D%0A%3Etime VOY and ENT came around. %0D%0A%0D%0AI wish I could say I was surprised by this%2C but no%2C no%2C I%27m not. Always amazed%2C but never surprised.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EI understand much the same thing is happening on Nu-Who these days%2C %0D%0A%3Esince all the new Doctors grew up fans of the classic series. It%27s %0D%0A%3Egiven them a bit more pull with the studio as to where the character %0D%0A%3Egoes%2C such as Smith convincing them to dump a %22Jack Sparrow%22 style %0D%0A%3Eoutfit for Chinny in exchange for the tweed and bow tie. %0D%0A%0D%0ADid NOT know that. Jack Sparrow%3F Really%3F Maybe they should hire a Whovian to do nothing but stand there and slap the director with a stick of celery any time ideas like that come up.%0D%0A%0D%0A--------%0D%0A%0D%0Athis world created by the %0D%0Ahands of the gods%0D%0Aeverything is false%0D%0Aeverything is a LIE%0D%0Athe final days have come%0D%0Anow%0D%0Alet everything be destroyed%0D%0A%0D%0A--mu 33|10|32|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|CdrMike||13:47:33|03/04/2014|%3EI wish I could say I was surprised by this%2C but no%2C no%2C I%27m not. %0D%0A%3EAlways amazed%2C but never surprised. %0D%0A%0D%0AYeah%2C with as long as the franchise has gone on%2C there have been a lot of instances where actor input has either helped a series%2C hurt it%2C or just been outright ignored. Nimoy and Kelley%2C for example%2C were all kinds of pissed with Shatner during the making of ST%3AV when they were told that Spock and McCoy were scripted to turn on Kirk. Both made it rather clear to him that%2C after all the years the characters had been friend%2C they wouldn%27t just suddenly turn on him. The rest of the cast weren%27t so lucky.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3EDid NOT know that. Jack Sparrow%3F Really%3F Maybe they should hire a %0D%0A%3EWhovian to do nothing but stand there and slap the director with a %0D%0A%3Estick of celery any time ideas like that come up. %0D%0A%0D%0AYeah%2C according to Smith%2C they wanted something a bit %22swashbuckling%22 but he nixed that because he felt that was how somebody would dress up the Doctor%2C rather than how the Doctor would dress himself. Likewise a long black trench coat got turned down for being %22too much like The Matrix.%22 34|11|33|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|The Traitor||07:34:18|03/06/2014|In similar vein... sort of%2C has anyone noticed that 12th%27s outfit %28yes technically it%27s fourteenth but sod that for a lark language is about clarity of communication and you all know who I mean%29 is rather reminiscent of 3rd%27s and the Big Finish version of 6th%27s%3F Personally%2C I like it%2C but it does make him look slightly like a magician.%0D%0A%0D%0A---%0D%0A%22She%27s old%2C she%27s lame%2C she%27s barren too%2C %2F%2F %22She%27s not worth feed or hay%2C %2F%2F %22But I%27ll give her this%2C%22 - he blew smoke at me - %2F%2F %22She was something in her day.%22 -- Garnet Rogers%2C %5Bi%5DSmall Victory%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AFiMFiction.net%3A we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have %5Bi%5Dstandards%5B%2Fi%5D. 35|10|32|||||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|GethN7||21:02:24|05/14/2014|%3E%3EI understand much the same thing is happening on Nu-Who these days%2C %0D%0A%3E%3Esince all the new Doctors grew up fans of the classic series. It%27s %0D%0A%3E%3Egiven them a bit more pull with the studio as to where the character %0D%0A%3E%3Egoes%2C such as Smith convincing them to dump a %22Jack Sparrow%22 style %0D%0A%3E%3Eoutfit for Chinny in exchange for the tweed and bow tie. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EDid NOT know that. Jack Sparrow%3F Really%3F Maybe they should hire a %0D%0A%3EWhovian to do nothing but stand there and slap the director with a %0D%0A%3Estick of celery any time ideas like that come up. %0D%0A%0D%0AI wholeheartedly believe they really should have a Whovian hired to do just that.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs for the Klingons%2C I love how they are portrayed in UF%2C and B%27Elanna was handled pretty well %28her canon version kinda sucked TBH%29%0D%0A%0D%0APersonally%2C I love to see the I.K.S. Gorkon crew from the Klingon Empire book series in UF. 36|11|35|||1||RE%3A Klingons and Rumors of Klingons|SpottedKitty||03:16:42|05/15/2014|%3EPersonally%2C I love to see the I.K.S. Gorkon crew from the Klingon %0D%0A%3EEmpire book series in UF. %0D%0A%0D%0AI always thought that was a sorta-plausibly-deniable way of getting some BATTLECRUISER VENGEANCE%21 stuff %28with the serial numbers filed off%29 into print.%0D%0A%0D%0A-- %0D%0AUnable to save the day%3A File is read-only.