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0|0|0|||1||speaking of HTT%2C here%27s something odd|Gryphon||17:15:25|01/22/2016|[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jan-22-16 AT 05:16 PM (EST)]So I was driving in my car the other day listening to Fall Out Boy%2C as one does%2C and it suddenly occurred to me that there is an amusing convergence of what I can only assume are coincidences surrounding %5Blink%3Awww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DtqB6llqyaVg%7C%22Disloyal Order of Water Buffaloes%22%5D%2C the first track on their 2008 album %5Bi%5DFolie %C3%A0 Deux%5B%2Fi%5D.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe first%2C which is probably not %5Bi%5Din itself%5B%2Fi%5D a coincidence%2C is that the song prominently features a bass-and-piano line very reminiscent of the one in %22Baba O%27Riley%22.  Which%2C fair enough.  The %5Bi%5Dother%5B%2Fi%5D is that the song%27s main riff is that same 5-3-5 rhythm that is sort of a %5Blink%3Awww.eyrie-productions.com%2FUF%2FFI%2FOOTR%2FTXT%2F12-federation%2Fch10.html%7CH%C5%8Dkago Tea Time signature%5D%2C appearing as it does in both %22Fuwa Fuwa Time%22 and %22Singing%21%22%0D%0A%0D%0AWhich retroactively makes %5Blink%3Awww.eyrie-productions.com%2FUF%2FFI%2FOOTR%2FTXT%2F12-federation%2Fch4.html%7Cthe %22Baba O%27Riley%22 thing%5D happening in the same song that much more amusing to me.  It%27s as if%2C seven years before such a thing would even have been possible in the first place%2C FOB wrote a %22UF HTT trying to sound more like the Art of Noise%22 song. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
1|1|0|||1||RE%3A speaking of HTT%2C here%27s something odd|Verbena||20:43:51|01/22/2016|Hah%21 That%27s amusing.%0D%0A%0D%0AMind you%2C I know far too little about music to ever pick up on something like that myself.%0D%0A%0D%0A------%0D%0A    Fearless creatures%2C we all learn to fight the Reaper%0D%0A    Can%27t defeat Her%2C so instead I%27ll have to be Her
2|1|0|||||Time Signatures|Proginoskes||12:14:33|02/03/2016|That %5Bem%5Dis%5B%2Fem%5D neat.%0D%0A%0D%0AI understand why you used it %28how else could you concisely describe that beat pattern%3F%29%2C but I briefly thought your phrase %225-3-5 rhythm%22 referred to %5Bem%5Dtime signature%5B%2Fem%5D%2C which caused some confusion%2C since thirteen beats to a measure seemed deeply unlikely.%0D%0A%0D%0APermit me some music geekery%2C and I%27ll explain how %225-3-5%22 could resemble a time signature. Most common signatures have a natural default for which beats are emphasized%3A a measure of four puts emphasis on the first and third beat%2C a measure of six on the first and fourth. But a measure of seven could put emphasis on %5Bem%5Deither%5B%2Fem%5D the first%2C third%2C and fifth beats%2C %5Bem%5Dor%5B%2Fem%5D the first%2C fourth%2C and sixth. Sometimes%2C to make it explicit which is desired%2C a composer or arranger will write in the time signature%2C instead of %227%22%2C %224%2B3%22 or %222%2B2%2B3%22 for the first%2C and %223%2B4%22 or %223%2B2%2B2%22 for the second. These are usually read aloud as %22two-two-three%22 and %22three-two-two%22%2C respectively.%0D%0A%0D%0AMeasures of three also have two variants%2C though it%27s never written into the time signature. %5Bem%5DPolka time%5B%2Fem%5D goes %22oom-pah-pah%22%2C treating the second and third beats of the measure identically. In %5Bem%5Dwaltz time%5B%2Fem%5D%2C on the other hand%2C the pick-up %28the last beat of the measure%29 is almost as important as the downbeat %28the first%29%2C to such an extent that it would make sense to notate it as 2%2B1 rather than 3.%0D%0A%0D%0ATo write a suggestion of the %22HTT rhythm%22 into the time signature%2C one would use 3%2B2%2B3. %286%2B4%2B6 would imply emphasis on notes that don%27t have it.%29
3|2|2|||1||RE%3A Time Signatures|Gryphon||19:48:48|02/05/2016|%3EThat %5Bem%5Dis%5B%2Fem%5D neat. %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EI understand why you used it %28how else could you concisely describe %0D%0A%3Ethat beat pattern%3F%29%2C but I briefly thought your phrase %225-3-5 rhythm%22 %0D%0A%3Ereferred to %5Bem%5Dtime signature%5B%2Fem%5D%2C which caused some confusion%2C %0D%0A%3Esince thirteen beats to a measure seemed deeply unlikely.%0D%0A%0D%0AI suppose I could%27ve called it a %5Bi%5Dleitmotif%5B%2Fi%5D%2C but%2C well%2C would that really have clarified the matter for most readers%3F %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D
4|3|3|||||RE%3A Time Signatures|Wiregeek||03:38:38|02/07/2016|%0D%0A%3EI suppose I could%27ve called it a %5Bi%5Dleitmotif%5B%2Fi%5D%2C but%2C well%2C would %0D%0A%3Ethat really have clarified the matter for most readers%3F %3A%29 %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AAround here%3F  Yes.
5|4|4|||1||RE%3A Time Signatures|Gryphon||03:48:21|02/07/2016|%3E%0D%0A%3E%3EI suppose I could%27ve called it a %5Bi%5Dleitmotif%5B%2Fi%5D%2C but%2C well%2C would %0D%0A%3E%3Ethat really have clarified the matter for most readers%3F %3A%29 %0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3E%0D%0A%3EAround here%3F  Yes. %0D%0A%0D%0AFair enough. %3A%29%0D%0A%0D%0A--G.%0D%0A-%3E%3C-%0D%0ABenjamin D. Hutchins%2C Co-Founder%2C Editor-in-Chief%2C %26 Forum Mod%0D%0AEyrie Productions%2C Unlimited  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eyrie-productions.com%2F%0D%0Azgryphon at that email service Google has%0D%0A%5Bi%5DCeterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.%5B%2Fi%5D