Hm. OK, that is... not borne out by the actual show, in a number of cases, but then again, no latter-day revisiting of that era has honored the "only Enterprise people wear the arrowhead insignia" thing either, so I guess turnabout is fair play.

>My favorite are the phasers, as the type-2 pistols sport the
>three-barrel arrangement like the "lasers" in The Cage, while
>the type-3 rifles look like a mixture between that and the MACO rifles
>from Enterprise.

I love the laser pistol prop from "The Cage", mainly because if you look at it up close, it's clearly made out of bits of an early-20th-century manual typewriter. I used to have a toy replica of one, and it was even obvious in that. :)

>>Can't say much for the overall plot, though.
>
>Don't put too much thought into it, the writers responsible for
>Disco sure as hell didn't.

Hm. Well, like I say, I have yet to hear anything about the show that makes me want to reconsider my decision not to watch it.

I'll tell you one thing for free, I don't want to work with that Lorca guy again. He's got "future war criminal" written all over him.

Not that it matters, this is an STO questline set in the 23rd century, so I'm sure that asshole Daniels will be along to transplant me and my crew to the main game's timeline any minute now, just like he does with the TOS one.

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Funny story there. (CAUTION: HERE BE SPOILERS!) In the first season of Discovery, he's the morally questionable Captain that likely has PTSD... until the USS Discovery ends up 'accidentally' getting stuck in the Mirror Universe, at which point it soon gets revealed that a transporter accident under weird conditions led to Mirror!Lorca getting swapped with his Prime counterpart. It's implied by the game, but never confirmed, that the transport may have happened during the bit where the player wasn't quite in time to rescue his ship. He then played up his injuries and such to help gloss over any oddities until he could work out a way back. Then he ends up properly dead.

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Wow. They went for the Mirror Universe card in the first season? Even Enterprise didn't do that.

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Yeah, it was supposed to be one of their two "big twist reveals" for the season. Problem was that they telegraphed it so hard that most fans had figured it out before the mid-season hiatus. Though, to be fair, it was at least a little bit harder to figure out than the identity of "Missy" over on NuWho, so...

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CALLED IT

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Hey, when it comes to asshole time travelers kidnapping starships to be their butt monkeys, Daniels has plenty of experience.

... I fucking hate that guy.

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I actually sat here for a few minutes trying to remember which episodes in post-TOS series up to PIC that actually had actors in the uniforms. And the only ones that came to mind were "Trials and Tribble-ations" in DS9 and "In A Mirror, Darkly" in ENT, the former of which took place on Enterprise and the latter was aboard Defiant and actually went so far as to recreate the uniforms and positions of the actors from "The Tholian Web."

Abrams hand-waved away the matter by having the Kelvin crew sporting the arrowhead insignia and saying Starfleet memorialized the loss and sacrifice by adopting said insignia for the entire fleet, so that really leaves DISCO as the oddball in the canon. But since there are greater issues with the visual style of the series, I'm willing to give them a mulligan on it.

>I love the laser pistol prop from "The Cage", mainly because if you
>look at it up close, it's clearly made out of bits of an
>early-20th-century manual typewriter. I used to have a toy replica of
>one, and it was even obvious in that. :)

One of those little bits that were forced by the necessity of working on a shoe-string budget that ended up becoming memorable decades later.

>Hm. Well, like I say, I have yet to hear anything about the show that
>makes me want to reconsider my decision not to watch it.

I think the problems with the series could be boiled down to two words: Michael Burnham. Remember when Jeri Ryan joined the cast at the mid-point of VOY's run as Seven and quickly became such a dominant character that fans complained she was crowding out the rest of the cast? Now imagine if the series had started with Seven first joining the crew and written with her as the focal character. And front-loaded her tragic backstory so that there was no real mystery to the character whatsoever.

>I'll tell you one thing for free, I don't want to work with that Lorca
>guy again. He's got "future war criminal" written all over
>him.

Uhhh...

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Well, no, since I've only ever seen exactly one (1) episode of Voyager, and it was from before she was on the show. But I'll take your word for it. :)

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"Germans?"

"Forget it, he's rolling."

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Heh. I'm sure I've told this story before, but Derek insisted the show wasn't as bad as I had heard it was, and persuaded me to give it one chance and watch that week's new episode with him.

That episode was "Threshold".

We did not speak of the matter again. :)

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Well, it's good you kept an open mind on the-

>That episode was "Threshold".

...You poor bastard.

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Don't feel bad, even Braga (who wrote that stinker) has gone on record as wishing he could forget it.

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I don't, but Derek did.

We agreed that the best part was—well, there was a Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode once where one of the skits involved Tom Servo having Crow paint him pink because he wanted to be a Real Live Boy. Crow and Joel have to crush his dreams by pointing out that he is, in fact, now simply a robot that is painted pink. Then they go to commercial, and when they come back, Servo is back to normal with no explanation beyond a cheerful, "I'm better!" "Threshold" has that ending, and Derek and I agreed that it was by far the best part.

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Yeah, the Almighty Reset Button was one of the biggest gripes about the series. TNG had the excuse that they could just put in for repairs and replacements when needed (actually made it a plot point a couple times), but VOY was supposed to be set on the other side of the galaxy. Yet every week, the ship showed up without a dent in the fender and the crew acting as if nothing was amiss.

Funny you mentioning MST3K, since that's been my go-to in the past couple weeks for dealing with some of the stress that the national crisis has brought down on my head. Ah, simpler times, when I could put my faith in "Blast Hardcheese," because I've definitely been subject to "Deep Hurting" way too much.

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I can't help wondering if anyone has had the mental (and/or intestinal) fortitude to watch both this and "Spock's Brain" back-to-back, and judge fairly which one wins the coveted(?) title of "Cheesiest Trek Episode Ever"...

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Ha. No thank you.

If there ever were such a fool, we could probably finish them off with "Skin of Evil" and the DS9 episode with Vulcans playing baseball.

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Not nearly as much as I love the idea of them getting obsessed with Curling, but it's still not bad...