>Didn't the Silent Service boats - Lief Erikson(sp?), et al - also use
>it? They haven't appeared for a while though. I recall they had a
>'submerge/surface' effect.

No; they were using standard realspace 'invisible ship' cloaks. Cloaker crews often refer to cloaking and decloaking as surfacing and submerging.

--G.
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