>>Meanwhile, the Force is largely physical/self contained. Other shoving
>>things/people about, making lightning, or internal sensations
>><premonitions, Jedi reflexes>. The only exception there is
>>communications between Force users, which is far more limited than psi
>><ref: Devlin and Amanda> for the purpose.
>
>Well, the only canon Force users that I can think of that have been
>shown on-camera are: Redneck and his master (and Redneck's biological
>abilities seem to generally supersede his abilities as a Jedi) and
>Katsujinkenryuuka (and, maybe Utena, though we're not sure about that
>yet). Gryph, as a Master, can do things like energy bursts, fading
>from sight, and the like, which definitely overlap with magic; I'm
>willing to bet that a sufficiently powerful telepath could at least
>make himself invisible to the mind (not unlike what Gryph has done).
>

Well, that's not part of his mastry of Katsujinkenryuuka... the fade from sight is part of the "Shadow" persona he picked up... You know, the power to cloud men's minds. I also don't recall any case of him shooting energy bursts... every time he's had technological means such as phazers, guns with 'fold' ammo clips, etc!

OF course, I could be wrong, so if there IS such proof, please point me at it to refresh my memory?

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