LAST EDITED ON Dec-26-15 AT 09:42 PM (EST)
 
Yeah I guess its just clearly Ren's story isn't ending here. It goest back to how ineffective you mention Vader is, shouting at then getting out witted by teen princesses, being made fun of in staff meetings For loosing the TPS reports, killing a geriatric who stopped fighting and getting out flown by a farm boy whose training was flying hillbilly crop dusters and being told to just let it flow maaaaan.

If Vader's story ended there then it wouldn't be nearly as impressive. Now if Ren remains a whiny mess then yeah that'd be lame.

On a side note, am amused Azula Last Scion of Hitlers gets the redeem treatment but Ben Solo doesn't. But I guess If Azula killed Sokka it would change things :D
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Oh God, it was me. I was the grognard all along.