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Topic ID: 22
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#22, RE: Characters you'd love to see in NF
Posted by Gryphon on Feb-03-14 at 11:10 PM
In response to message #20
LAST EDITED ON Feb-03-14 AT 11:13 PM (EST)
>I'd recommend some, but I think I
>just did that in a way (seriously, anything with Matt Fraction's name
>on it), and it is not as if you are... lacking in media to consume in

I respect Fraction's work, I enjoyed the crap out of Five Fists of Science, and I have it on reasonably good authority that he's a pretty hoopy frood to hang out with in person...

... but I haaaaaated his run on Invincible Iron Man. Well, that's not entirely fair comment, I suppose. I haaaaaated his first arc on Invincible Iron Man and have no basis for comment on anything that followed, apart from general observations about the crackheadedness of the company-wide story arcs he presumably had to work within for the rest of his tenure on the book - which, in fairness, would probably have caused me to say "no, fuck that" even if I hadn't hated The Five Nightmares. But I did, so, moot point.

>Heh, that's a fair cop here. I never know what you've read or haven't
>read, as every time I think I understand your tastes you drop
>something like, say, an obscure Italian history of the Night Walkers
>or something into conversation, or genre fiction I'd never have pegged
>you on.

Just for the record, I didn't read The Night Walkers for sport, it was assigned in a class I was taking. I enjoyed it, and I think the benandanti legend is pretty cool overall, but it wasn't something I think I'd have picked up in a bookstore and thought, This is a topic I wish to know more about! Let me subscribe to your newsletter, Dr. Ginzburg. :)

>Short version: 'bout twenty years, a fellow named Gregory Maguire
>wrote Wicked a fictional biography of Elphaba Thropp, the
>Wicked Witch of the West, of Wizard of Oz fame.

The Wicked Witch of the West had a name? At the risk of sounding like a Star Trek fan, is that canon? (It's not going to affect my assessment either way, I'm just a bit curious, is all.)

>Also are the Bourne movies worth watching after the first? I'm an
>enormous fan of the novels, and... well, the first one was okay. I'm
>generally a fan of Matt Damon. It was entertaining and all, but... no

In hindsight, I've always thought it was hilarious that the bĂȘte noir of Ludlum's original novel was Carlos the Jackal, whom later scholarship has revealed to have been the comically incompetent Walter Mitty of the terrorist world. It's like reading a novel from the '30s speculating that in the '40s, the European dictator who would end up crushing half the world under his disciplined, fanatical, superbly equipped, initially-unstoppable juggernaut of an army would be Mussolini.

In that respect, at least, The Bourne Identity would only conceivably have worked as a period piece set in the '70s, like the book, and A) that had already been attempted and B) it would still have been pretty friggin' silly.

>And I've heard vaguely
>that the franchise involved a lot of fridging of the women in Bourne's
>life, which is always a negative in my book.

As far as I know, there was only ever the one woman in Bourne's life in that sense, and she does get killed in the second film. That made me angry when it happened, though in retrospect Jason Bourne is very much the kind of person that sort of thing happens around. Maria's death in The Bourne Supremacy isn't quite as gratuitous as that, anyway. I mean, yes, it happens pretty much entirely for out-of-band reasons - because the filmmakers obviously assumed there would be no reason for Bourne to turn around and go after his pursuers if she was alive - but it's framed in a way that makes sense within the framework of the fictional universe the characters live in. (Rather more so than the canonical woman-in-refrigerator incident, which... uh, didn't. On any level.)

I'd have done it differently, but they probably didn't figure they had time for the montage where he takes her to the mountain retreat and helps her multiclass into Intrepid Badass in her own right. :)

Anyway. It's been a while since I watched Supremacy and I haven't seen Ultimatum, because I got that sick of Christopher Rouse's spastic music video editing style in Supremacy, but I haven't read or heard anything about Bourne having a love interest, or indeed time for one, in either one; and he's not actually in the fourth one, it's just called that because it's in that same universe.

I liked The Bourne Legacy, but then I like Jeremy Renner's Universal Action Everyman character. He has a way of being just utterly weary at the appropriate points in the rampant badassery that's missing from a lot of the more square-jawed face-punchers in the league. (He does it in The Avengers when Hawkeye crashes through the window and has to just lie there for a second going Aaaagh, fuck, no superpowers. :) One's mileage may vary.

There's a scene in Legacy where Renner's character, Aaron Cross, is in a room with another guy from the post-Treadstone super-soldier program he's part of, and he keeps doggedly trying to strike up a friendly conversation. It visibly unnerves the fuck out of the other agent that a) Cross is trying to engage with him on a human level and b) Cross is able to try to engage with him on a human level. That was about where I decided Legacy was going to be a likable film, in much the same way that my favorite parts of Identity are the bits where Bourne is, in spite of everything that's happened to him, completely human:

You'd probably just forget about me anyway.

How could I forget about you? You're the only person I know.

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