If she really was the Index of Prohibited Books, she wouldn't know what's in any of them, just a list of all their titles and authors. Which would frankly not be worth all that bother over.

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...seeing where this is located, I am intrigued as to what dark paths your mind has been wandering. Especially since she's pretty much my favorite cute badass.

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Alternately, if it's a misprint and she embodies the Indices of Prohibited Books, she still doesn't know the content, but she can tell you what page it's on.

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I'll not try to defend the choice they made. I will however say that most forms of the word 'library' make a pretty poor name.*

*...not that Index doesn't, mind.

>I'll not try to defend the choice they made. I will however say that
>most forms of the word 'library' make a pretty poor name.

It's not their choice, as such - the Index Librorum Prohibitorum is a real document (albeit a quite distinctly Roman Catholic one, so it's a little odd that Index is an Anglican nun), so the reference would fall completely apart if they changed it. I'm just making fun of the fact that the function they have the character serving for dramatic purposes is not actually what an index does. :)

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>It's not their choice, as such - the Index Librorum
>Prohibitorum is a real document (albeit a quite distinctly Roman
>Catholic one, so it's a little odd that Index is an Anglican nun), so
>the reference would fall completely apart if they changed it. I'm
>just making fun of the fact that the function they have the character
>serving for dramatic purposes is not actually what an index does. :)

What, a roving black hole? A devourer of any and all food she can get her hands on?

Oh wait, you said "dramatic purposes," my mistake. Nothing generally dramatic about watching one's food budget disappear in a single sitting.

>>I'm
>>just making fun of the fact that the function they have the character
>>serving for dramatic purposes is not actually what an index does. :)
>
>What, a roving black hole? A devourer of any and all food she can get
>her hands on?

That's not technically a function, it's an avocation. :)

--G.
"Who would build such a thing? What's its purpose? The consumption of the entire galaxy's supply of chicken vindaloo?!"
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There are a lot of strange little quirks in that setting, not the least of which being that the writer very deliberately got the various subdivisions of Christianity's names wrong, in order to show that this is not supposed to be 'our world' at all.

The Roman Orthodox Church, for instance...

>If she really was the Index of Prohibited Books, she wouldn't
>know what's in any of them, just a list of all their titles and
>authors. Which would frankly not be worth all that bother over.
>

What if an index includes location?

Peter Eng
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"Necronomicon: No copies remain. Tome of Vile Darkness: One copy, in a secure lockbox with mystical trace blocking. Sealed in the lockbox on New Berlin in 2322."

>>If she really was the Index of Prohibited Books, she wouldn't
>>know what's in any of them, just a list of all their titles and
>>authors. Which would frankly not be worth all that bother over.
>>
>
>What if an index includes location?

Then she would be the Catalog of Prohibited Books, surely.

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>>What if an index includes location?
>
>Then she would be the Catalog of Prohibited Books, surely.
>
>--G.
As stated above, archive might work, but based on the fact that she can access the material, repository or library of Prohibited books would be a more accurate description. And that would be work controlling or destroying.

"When you have eliminated the
impossible, whatever remains,
however improbable, must be the
truth." - Sherlock Holmes

Personally, I prefer a certain magical Archive.

(She likes to be called Ivy)

I like them both, and want to see them team up.

>I like them both, and want to see them team up.

One provides the identifying reference; the other then quotes chapter and verse. <grin>

-- Bob
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My race is pacifist and does not believe in war. We kill only out of personal spite.

And then they both commence kicking amounts of ass entirely out of proportion to their size.

>And then they both commence kicking amounts of ass entirely out of
>proportion to their size.

She's perfectly within averages of children of her age, so she's possibly not so little anymore. Heck, based on the fact that the source material keeps up with time book by book, she's 19 or so.

Of course, to be proportional to the amount of ass that she can kick given provocation, she'd need to be the size of a small planet.
--
-Pasha (No, I'm not dumb enough to make a fat joke to The Archive. Especially where Kincaid can hear.)
"Don't change the subject"
"Too slow, already did."

Given what she was able to manage against not one but about SEVEN actual fallen angels, while being drugged to sleep, with only the power she was holding before the barrier went up... I'd say your estimation falls on the side of modesty. Almost ludicrously so.

... Yeah, you guys lost me about 20 miles ago. :)

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Ivy managed to hold off a number of Denarian knights (people with fallen angels in their heads courtesy of thirty distinct pieces of silver) mostly on her own, while protecting Dresden from them, in the middle of a trap specifically designed to render her as close to powerless as possible.

She did so with considerable skill, and the only one she ever dedicated an entire hand to defending against was their boss. One of her best efforts was a frictionless free-floating shield bubble that effectively put their bruiser out of the fight by making him run in place.

That she would occasionally reach over and spin just for the hell of it.

Speaking as someone that has read the Dresden Files and knows who you're talking about and the exact scene you're referring to... You realize that explanation of the character is absolutely useless unless people already know who you're talking about, right? :)

Long story short, Ivy, the one they're talking about, is the Archive, the living repository for all written knowledge, ever. And as the previous post indicates, she knows how to use said knowledge.

Having not seen the show Index is from, I have no idea how they compare, besides being cute girls screwed over by a stupid job.

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter

In fairness, I'm pretty sure she's been described elsewhere on the forums. I'm almost certain of it, though I have neither the knowledge nor the desire to dig for it to quote chapter and verse.

Ivy and Index have basically the same shitty job, but Index only has her head stuffed with forbidden books of magic. There was also something about erasing her memories every year to keep her from going rogue, but psh, who remembers unimportant details like that?

>Speaking as someone that has read the Dresden Files and knows who
>you're talking about and the exact scene you're referring to...
>Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter

Thanks for the clarification, I thought Ivy was a fanfic version or someone I missed from ACMI anime (since I haven't read the manga).

Sadly, I still don't know Ivy, as not having read the Dresden Files and it has been TOOO Long since I watched the short lived series.

Phantom

"When you have eliminated the
impossible, whatever remains,
however improbable, must be the
truth." - Sherlock Holmes

>Speaking as someone that has read the Dresden Files and knows who
>you're talking about and the exact scene you're referring to... You
>realize that explanation of the character is absolutely useless unless
>people already know who you're talking about, right? :)
>
>Long story short, Ivy, the one they're talking about, is the Archive,
>the living repository for all written knowledge, ever. And as the
>previous post indicates, she knows how to use said knowledge.
>
>Having not seen the show Index is from, I have no idea how they
>compare, besides being cute girls screwed over by a stupid job.
>
>Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter

The main difference between the two I think, from what I recall of the anime, is that Index has to manually look up any information like a living search engine which includes a huge lightshow and with a self defence personality kicking in when her life is directly threatened.

The Archive on the other hand has a constantly updating database which contains of the sum of written human knowledge everywhere which she totally comprehends and is able to use at her fingertips whenever she wants.

Minor correction - Ivy is the repository of the sum of written human knowledge, which I assume extends to typed documents. It does NOT, I believe, include documents written by species other than humans that have only been read by people. (So, for example, a large number of magic texts would not be included in her repertoire unless they were hand-copied at some point, and I'm pretty sure a large number of those have protections against such measures...)

Index on the other hand ONLY has the grimoires and texts they could shove into her head; depending on which point in canon you look at, John's Pen (the self defense personality, pronounced 'Johan's Pen') may or may not be active, since it's part of that whole 'seal her powers so she can't run away' thing.

It's kind of up in the air which would have the bigger arsenal, though Ivy does have the edge on speed.

...and this has officially devolved to the point of needless pedantry, so I think we should stop here. Dead horse, et cetera.