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#0, Avatar: 7 Havens
Posted by BZArcher on Oct-22-26 at 09:08 AM
Not sure how many people have been following the new show (I will admit, I am watching it via boxes that fell off an internet truck.), but the premise and the plot so far has been interesting and raised a lot of questions.

I'm enjoying our twin Avatars, but I do wonder if we may learn their bonds to the spirit world are a bit different than the way Korra re-intergrated herself with Ravva.

(Also, oh, boy, I have some concerns about the Havens and their version of history...and how the Bender Brigades work.)


#1, RE: Avatar: 7 Havens
Posted by Matrix Dragon on Oct-22-26 at 03:01 PM
In response to message #0
I have some problems with it, I'll admit. Making a post-apocalyptic story of any established setting is always a risk, and this world lost so much of what came before I'm finding it hard to get attached to it as the future. On top of that, after a decade of real world Korra slander and hate, going with a similar thing in-universe... After the first ep, I would happily see Ellora burned to the ground.

With that said, Pavi and Nisha are fantastic and adorable, I love them and want them to be happy.

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter


#2, RE: Avatar: 7 Havens
Posted by Gryphon on Oct-22-26 at 03:10 PM
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-26 AT 03:11 PM (EDT)
 
>On top of that, after a decade of real world Korra
>slander and hate, going with a similar thing in-universe...

Yeah, that's a deal-breaker for me. I'd had quite enough of that in her own series. I'm not inclined to put up with it in another one.

I don't know why, but the boys just can't seem to stop kicking her.

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#3, RE: Avatar: 7 Havens
Posted by TsukaiStarburst on Oct-22-26 at 04:12 PM
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Yeah Korra is absolutely despised in 7H and they blame her for the apocalypse. It hits kinda close to home. Like I posted that thread by TokuStats that actually proves she has a bad win/loss record, but there is such a thing as going overboard with the slander. And having it bleed over into canon in-universe defamation is taking things too far.

Why couldn't we have had an Avatar in the equivalent of the 1930s? Why did the creators go 'oops, don't like the idea of developing technology, better bomb the setting back to the dung ages'?

And apparently make it all Korra's fault?


#4, RE: Avatar: 7 Havens
Posted by Matrix Dragon on Oct-22-26 at 05:20 PM
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-26 AT 11:06 PM (EDT)
 

>And apparently make it all Korra's fault?

Obviously it's not actually her fault. The havens have just spent centuries acting like marvel civilians towards Spider-man.

EDIT: removed a bit that was too aggressive. You weren't the target of my ire, apologies.

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter


#5, RE: Avatar: 7 Havens
Posted by mdg1 on Oct-24-26 at 08:23 AM
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Leaving aside any personal motivations, I wonder if it's because so many writers not named Iain M. Banks are unable to conceive of a society that actually functions, futuristic or otherwise?

I mean, let's look at the big sci-fi franchises:

Star Trek - After all the optimism of, well, nearly every part of the franchise, we get S2 of Discovery, which boils down to "And then it all went to crap".

Star Wars - After the literal fairy-tale ending of RotJ, we not only get the New Republic collapsing in less than a generation in the EU, but also the Sequel Trilogy, which boils down to "And then it all went to crap."

Doctor Who - We see that, despite what he thought, the Doctor *didn't* kill the entire population of his homeworld, and leaves on a quest to bring them back. This happens offscreen (other than a brief cameo to reset his odometer), and they are immediately depicted as dysfunctional assholes.

The MCU - Actually, it's *always* been a crap place to live, except maybe for Wakanda and the FF's world. But they get regularly smashed up anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter.


#6, RE: Avatar: 7 Havens
Posted by TsukaiStarburst on Oct-26-26 at 04:29 AM
In response to message #5
I don't think it's an inability to show a good future, I think it's the common recurring element of 'we were able to show a good future, until modern updates to the setting decided to smash the good future to pieces for shitty reasons in order to break the human spirit of those watching it and destroy a sense of hope for having nice things'.

#7, RE: Avatar: 7 Havens
Posted by mdg1 on Oct-26-26 at 07:41 AM
In response to message #6
To-may-to, pomodoro....