Holy fuck, everyone is so mean to the player character at the beginning of this game. NGL, it kind of makes me not want to keep playing, even though I know it gets better because I've watched some people play bits of it online.

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...now I'm wondering if and how the world of Persona could fit into the UF multiverse. I uh, don't think it can, sadly.

>...now I'm wondering if and how the world of Persona could fit into
>the UF multiverse. I uh, don't think it can, sadly.

After skimming through the plotlines of the games on Wikipedia, I imagine one of the BPGD team reading up on it as a historical, "This happened during the Exile on New Japan" sort of thing. Something where the people who should have been handling the problem either dropped the ball or didn't exist, leaving it to a small group of high school students to fix the mess.

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>...now I'm wondering if and how the world of Persona could fit into
>the UF multiverse. I uh, don't think it can, sadly.

I dunno, weird psychic phenomena aren't exactly unknown in UF. Heck, for that matter, any one of them could've happened in a particularly stylish corner of the Extranet, particularly P5R.

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It's sort of a replay of Persona 4, except where you started that game as a stereotypical "transfer student from the big city" who ends up befriending most of the main cast, becomes a surrogate son for the guy whose house you're living in, and have most of the female cast as your harem by Valentine's Day...you do all that, but start from the position of being a hate sink who gradually manages to clear his name while still befriending most of the main cast, becoming a surrogate son for the guy whose attic you're living in, and have most of the female cast as your harem by Valentine's Day.

>you do all that, but start from the
>position of being a hate sink who gradually manages to clear his name
>while still befriending most of the main cast, becoming a surrogate
>son for the guy whose attic you're living in, and have most of the
>female cast as your harem by Valentine's Day.

You also do it all while looking way cooler than the guy from P4. Goddamn this game is stylish.

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Not played P5 yet, but from everything I’ve seen, I prefer 4’s aesthetics, myself.

But as for the weird psychic phenomena, there’s a lot of....collective unconsciousness and *external forces* things going on in the Persona series, and I don’t know if UF is really built to have, let’s say, the very concept of *ennui* floating about trying to make everybody just give up living.

Oddly enough, every other SMT title and spinoff feels like it fits better than the one that’s actually designed to be the most relatable to regular people.

>Not played P5 yet, but from everything I’ve seen, I prefer 4’s
>aesthetics, myself.

The UI elements (menu graphics and whatnot) may be an acquired taste, I admit. As for the characters themselves, it's probably just a matter of what you're into. They're almost impossibly stylized in action, in a way that I really dig, but I can see where it might be a bit much for some.

>But as for the weird psychic phenomena, there’s a lot
>of....collective unconsciousness and *external forces* things going on
>in the Persona series, and I don’t know if UF is really built to
>have, let’s say, the very concept of *ennui* floating about trying
>to make everybody just give up living.

Not in the whole galaxy, sure, but on one particular planet with some fucked-up stuff happening in the local magisphere? We've got weirder. :)

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Wow, some of the writing in this game has not dated well.

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It’s not a defense per se, but Japan is a very conservative country....and I’m sure the translation/localization hasn’t helped matters. English is good at muddling what is clearer in Japanese, to a Japanese audience.

That said, yeah, Persona 4 has some non-great things going on.

It WAS somewhat subversive/progressive for Japan though, at the time. For what that’s worth.

>Wow, some of the writing in this game has not dated well.
>
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That scene with Ryuji was dated when it was out on release!

(Also, Persona 5 Writers leave poor Ryuji alone! Dude just wants to bro at the batting cages he doesn't need to be the idiot in EVERY conversation.)

Whoever wrote the faux-King-James-Bible lines for the Social Link narrations in the English version didn't do the first bit of research into how Early Modern English actually worked, and it's bugging the shit out of me. It's not Thou art I and I am thou, both of those clauses have the wrong object. It should read Thou art me and I am thee. Hell, one of those is a contemporary English error, we still don't say "I" as the object of a sentence. And don't even get me started on the random eths thrown onto words where they aren't appropriate...

--G.
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Yeah, that bugged me a bit too. :)

As for the shit the main character, yeah, stuff happens, but don't worry. There's some great crowning moments of awesome too, as they get justice whether society wants them to have it or not!

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That's been in the games since P3 IIRC; at this point it's part of the series even if it's wrong.
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>That's been in the games since P3 IIRC; at this point it's part of the
>series even if it's wrong.

I feel like that's slightly odd logic, but I also suspect that's the actual thought process over at Atlus. I mean, I can't be the first person to notice that glaring grammatical error, particularly if they've been repeating it over and over again in every Persona game for the last 20 years. :)

--G.
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The exact phrasing, 'I am thou, thou art I' and the rest of that entire screen of text has become iconic to the series, just as much as Igor and the Velvet Room, or moogles and chocobos to Final Fantasy. There'd be people who would scream if it were corrected, alas.

Fortunately, the game's so good I can play it with just an eyeroll or two every so often. :)

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>There'd be people who would scream if it were corrected, alas.

OK but counterpoint: So?

--G.
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>OK but counterpoint: So?
>
>--G.

And me having not played a single one of these games, I STILL have to say, good point, well made.

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>>There'd be people who would scream if it were corrected, alas.
>
>OK but counterpoint: So?
>
>--G.
ha ha only serious

Belatedly...

I mean, I could speculate? Perhaps they feel it's iconic enough that changing it now would be jarring. That's my personal assumption. Maybe they just don't care, or haven't bothered to look it up after all this time. Perhaps they, as a Japanese company, are not excessively concerned about English translations of ye olde faux middle English speech.

Frankly, this sounds like you're trying to say I have some sort of wrong opinion here, and I'm not sure why. It's not like I wrote any of this.

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>Frankly, this sounds like you're trying to say I have some sort of
>wrong opinion here, and I'm not sure why.

No no, I was just being facetious about video game companies and their reactions to consumer complaints. It seems like those usually amount to either extreme backlash (e.g., BioWare's YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND OUR ART rage) or complete indifference. You're probably right and neither case applies here--the Atlus localizers probably just never noticed, and nobody else cares enough to make an issue out of it.

I mean, hell, I don't care enough to make an issue of it, and I brought it up in the first place. My initial complaint was meant to be in the spirit of the correction at the end of the MPFC "Flying Lessons" sketch.

(There's more to that scene, but I couldn't find the full version of it in a quick YouTube search; after they come back to Idle at the desk and he says "Thank you," he goes on to say something to the effect of, "Sorry if I came across as a bit of an old fusspot just now, but you know, it's just as easy to get these things right." :)

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Aha! Thanks, I appreciate it. Sorry if I came off as thin-skinned.

In any event, here's to hoping you enjoy P5 at least as much as I did, screwed up Ye Olde English notwithstanding. :)

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Did the person who plotted P5 look at how popular the Assassin's Creed games are and conclude that the thing people really, really like about them is the constant interruptions to go visit an action-free overplot? Elvis wept.

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I wouldn't have predicted that I'd someday find myself playing a game in which "The cat will never forgive me if I get with the blonde, will he?" is a genuine sentence, but here we are.

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This sentence tells me that you’ve never spent any considerable amount of time with a cat, because that’s just the sort of thing that Cat Owners have to deal with.

In fairness, I never had to deal with that, because Makoto is Best Girl.

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>In fairness, I never had to deal with that, because Makoto is Best
>Girl.

Oh ah? She certainly hasn't done anything to suggest as much so far. Then again, anyone as buttoned-up as she is either has a heart of rebellion the size of Montana or lacks one altogether, and she wouldn't be a cast member of one of THESE games in the latter case, so, looking forward to that psychological BLEVE going off. :)

--G.
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>>In fairness, I never had to deal with that, because Makoto is Best
>>Girl.
>
>Oh ah? She certainly hasn't done anything to suggest as much so far.
Then again, anyone as buttoned-up as she is either has a heart of
rebellion the size of Montana or lacks one altogether, and she
wouldn't be a cast member of one of THESE games in the latter case,
so, looking forward to that psychological BLEVE
going off. :)

The comparison to a pressure cooker is not far off at all. Rest assured, her arc has not yet begun for you if you're just finishing up with Kamoshida.

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>The comparison to a pressure cooker is not far off at all. Rest
>assured, her arc has not yet begun for you if you're just finishing up
>with Kamoshida.

At the time I wrote that, I think I was just about bang in the middle of exploring the Museum of Vanity. I have since gotten into the preliminary stages of the job after that, in which Makoto is still obviously a Stasi agent but she's starting to wonder whether Marxism-Leninism is really the most just way in which to govern the DDR.

--G.
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"Can we please just drop the case with Kaneshiro?"

"No. We are going to break that guy's fucking soul over our collective knee like a worn-out yardstick."

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>In fairness, I never had to deal with that, because Makoto is Best
>Girl.

OK, I kinda see where you're coming from now, but I'm not gonna lie, the prospect of that harpy as a sister-in-law is not appealing at this stage.

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>OK, I kinda see where you're coming from now, but I'm not gonna lie,
>the prospect of that harpy as a sister-in-law is not appealing at this
>stage.

HAH! I imagine not!

Sae has her moments, though, later on.

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>HAH! I imagine not!
>
>Sae has her moments, though, later on.

There are some deeply puzzling inconsistencies about the opening and subsequent Animus framing flash-forwards that I can't believe are mistakes on the developers' part, and I'm looking forward to seeing how that gets resolved. It's kind of clever... but not clever enough to offset how goddamned annoying those constant interruptions are. Jesus, woman, I made friends with a chess player, that's not cause for you to interrupt the narrative--again--to ask another stupid, accusatory question I'm not going to answer.

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"Detective Prince", is it? Senator, I worked with Naoto Shirogane. I knew Naoto Shirogane. Naoto Shirogane was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Naoto Shirogane.

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>"Detective Prince", is it? Senator, I worked with Naoto Shirogane. I
>knew Naoto Shirogane. Naoto Shirogane was a friend of mine. Senator,
>you're no Naoto Shirogane.

Oh my god I hate this guy. His smug little face, his affected mannerisms, his stupid gloves. Even if he wasn't so obviously going to double-cross me, I still would be slightly tempted to stop playing the game after the point where he becomes unavoidable.

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>Oh my god I hate this guy.

I wonder if I'll eventually get the chance to talk this asshole into deleting himself, like Shepard does to Sarin at the end of Mass Effect if your Paragon/Renegade is high enough. That would be richly satisfying, and Joker seems to be able to talk anyone into anything if he has enough time.

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Oh wow, after... what... 70 hours? I think I'm finally out of the prologue.

--G.
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HAH! I know exactly what you're talking about, and all I can say is "at least no more flashbacks".

Also, I recognize how the story doesn't work unless you're amnesiac? But I dislike having to rely on that as a plot device.

Fortunately, the game is still fantastic and the plot still good.

...Also, for some reason I want some delicious pancakes. Dunno why.

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>HAH! I know exactly what you're talking about, and all I can say is
>"at least no more flashbacks".

The fact that, in addition to the periodic interruptions driven by narrative progress, there's one for every single social link initiation, eventually got me to the point where I was shouting in exasperation at the character through the TV. "For Christ's sake, I just made friends with a chess player, what the fuck bitchy commentary can your Nazi ass possibly have to share about that? Just let me play the game!"

... I may have developed the inexplicable habit of narrating my gameplay as if I were streaming, after watching so many hours of people streaming games. Fortunately I live alone, but even so.

>...Also, for some reason I want some delicious pancakes. Dunno why.

I feel perversely proud that I spotted that when it happened, because I almost never do pick up on that kind of thing in, e.g., mystery fiction, and then end up feeling stupid later. "Aha! I'm onto you, you briefcase-toting fuck!"

I bet there's not even anything in that briefcase except his pool cue and a couple of especially lurid Risette NC doujins.

Anyway, I haven't yet slogged through the dungeon I assume I'll be seeing him again at the end of, but I confess a mild-to-moderate disappointment at the knowledge that, because protagonal non-lethality is the way this game rolls, I presumably won't have the opportunity to murder him back when that time comes.

--G.
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>The fact that, in addition to the periodic interruptions driven by
>narrative progress, there's one for every single social link
>initiation, eventually got me to the point where I was shouting in
>exasperation at the character through the TV. "For Christ's sake, I
>just made friends with a chess player, what the fuck bitchy
>commentary can your Nazi ass possibly have to share about that?
> Just let me play the game!"

I feel like I have to call this one out. Sae might be wrong about you, and she's disillusioned, but she's no fascist.

>
>>...Also, for some reason I want some delicious pancakes. Dunno why.
>
>I feel perversely proud that I spotted that when it happened, because
>I almost never do pick up on that kind of thing in, e.g., mystery
>fiction, and then end up feeling stupid later. "Aha! I'm
>onto you, you briefcase-toting fuck!"

Heh. I have to admit, I didn't quite pick up on it in my own first playthrough. I -did- feel like there was something wrong, but I didn't consciously pick up on the big clue before the reveal.

>
>I bet there's not even anything in that briefcase except his pool cue
>and a couple of especially lurid Risette NC doujins.

I think that's a good call.

>
>Anyway, I haven't yet slogged through the dungeon I assume I'll be
>seeing him again at the end of, but I confess a mild-to-moderate
>disappointment at the knowledge that, because protagonal non-lethality
>is the way this game rolls, I presumably won't have the opportunity to
>murder him back when that time comes.

Definitely can't make any specific comments without spoilers. Royal definitely changes things up from the original game, though, especially if you <REDACTED>.

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>I feel like I have to call this one out. Sae might be wrong about you,
>and she's disillusioned, but she's no fascist.

... Yeah, all right. In my defense, I was quoting above the voice of extreme frustration, which is not disposed to be fair. :)

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>>I feel like I have to call this one out. Sae might be wrong about you,
>>and she's disillusioned, but she's no fascist.
>
>... Yeah, all right. In my defense, I was quoting above the voice of
>extreme frustration, which is not disposed to be fair. :)

I certainly can't blame you for being frustrated at all the interruptions. Particularly with how long each one takes, I was trying to push past them as fast as I could.

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>I certainly can't blame you for being frustrated at all the
>interruptions. Particularly with how long each one takes, I was trying
>to push past them as fast as I could.

I think I could stand them better if the animation at the beginning of each one was skippable, like a line of dialogue. It'd still be annoying, but it wouldn't rip me bodily out of the damn game every time.

In other news, I think I'm past where the original Persona 5 ended now (I'm not sure, because I never played it, but that sure felt like... you know... the end of a JRPG), and I feel like Joker is starting to get serious Mr. Incredible vibes now. "Sometimes I just want the world to stay saved, ya know? For a little bit?"

Also, I'm not thrilled about the enforced cast changes at this stage. I mean, yeah, Yoshizawa's OK to hang out with, even though it feels vaguely disloyal to Joker's girl, but the other guy? Literally the last person in the game I wanted to spend more time with. Even if he is actually marginally less annoying now that he's basically turned into the other Joker.

--G.
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Hans... are we the baddies?

--G.
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Well, I've farted around in Mementos until everybody reached the level cap and my pockets are full of gods. I suppose it's time to bite down and finish the game, even if I have screwed up the timing and failed to complete a couple of the confidant progressions. I hate that no one wants to hang out when it rains or snows in these games. Why prioritize a particular course of action and then throw in fistfuls of days when you can't undertake it? That seems like a gameplay mechanic specifically designed to be frustrating.

Anyway, maybe I'll manage to get them done in NG+, although I tell you what, NG+ is a tougher sell in this game than a lot of others I played. Having to go back to the "Joker has no friends and everyone hates him" era is a daunting prospect, even if it will be perversely nice to see Caroline again.

--G.
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I'm not generally too concerned about spoilers around here, but this is a huge one for the very end of the game, so:

[ Dr. Maruki thinking that I'm going to let him win so Akechi won't back to being dead is the funniest thing that's happened in this entire game. I admit Joker's mileage may vary--he seems to be able to forgive virtually anything--but me? I just want to smack Maruki down even harder knowing that's likely to happen when we do. :) ]

--G.
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NG+ lets you keep quite a bit, but from a confidante standpoint? The mere fact that your social stats carry over means there's a LOT of time you don't have to spend eating very large hamburgers. You can go macking on your homeroom teacher or a goth doctor far more often.

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>NG+ lets you keep quite a bit, but from a confidante standpoint? The
>mere fact that your social stats carry over means there's a LOT of
>time you don't have to spend eating very large hamburgers. You can go
>macking on your homeroom teacher or a goth doctor far more often.

I wish to state for the record that I have never once macked on my homeroom teacher.* She does come over dressed in the cosplay maid outfit from time to time, that is true, but when she does, it's to do actual maid things and nothing else. I run a respectable delinquent's hovel here.

Joker does prefer older women, it's true, but in this instance that extends only to dating a senior. :)

--G.
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Hmm. I dunno, after all the buildup it got, that ending felt... slightly unsatisfying. Like, it was nice and all, and bits of it were very funny (albeit slightly confusing in spots--where did the van come from, and why were the men in black following them in the first place?), but it just didn't land for me as well as the end of P4G. Maybe because P4G had an epilogue and P5R doesn't, I dunno. I guess the case could be made that the role of the summer epilogue in P4G is occupied by P5 Strikers, but... eh, I dunno.

(Also, the parting between Joker and Makoto, who was his girlfriend in this run, was disappointingly low-key even given what fundamentally reserved characters they both are. It felt like the devs might not even have written a separate version to account for their relationship status and just ran the regular one. I mean, Joker says all the same stuff about keeping in touch and being connected to his Regular Friends too...)

Anyway, it would almost certainly never happen, but I would love it if that cast went on to star in a completely different style of game, one in which they have to solve some kind of crisis without any of the supernatural hijinks of a Persona game (as opposed to the mechanics shifts in Strikers and Tactica). Just this group of preposterously talented teenagers* and their talking cat that normies can't hear, out there Scooby Ganging it up in their blue van. A weapon to surpass Metal Gear.

Ah, well. On to NG+! Or possibly Strikers, although I tried it out a little when I bought it and I'm not sure I can get with the real-time combat...

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>Hmm. I dunno, after all the buildup it got, that ending felt...
>slightly unsatisfying. Like, it was nice and all, and bits of
>it were very funny (albeit slightly confusing in spots--where
>did the van come from, and why were the men in
>black following them in the first place?), but it just didn't
>land for me as well as the end of P4G. Maybe because P4G had an
>epilogue and P5R doesn't, I dunno. I guess the case could be made
>that the role of the summer epilogue in P4G is occupied by P5
>Strikers, but... eh, I dunno.

Some of the additions in Royal did not appeal to me--they felt tacked on, particularly everything to do with Maruki. Also, it felt strongly like Yoshizawa is written to be the love interest period, after the much freer set of choices in the original game. At least Sumire Yoshizawa didn't feel quite as tacked on, despite her story being so closely intertwined with Maruki's. The ending of P5 and its Crowning Moment of Awesome was far better, I thought.

>
>(Also, the parting between Joker and Makoto, who was his girlfriend in
>this run, was disappointingly low-key even given what fundamentally
>reserved characters they both are. It felt like the devs might not
>even have written a separate version to account for their relationship
>status and just ran the regular one. I mean, Joker says all the same
>stuff about keeping in touch and being connected to his Regular
>Friends too...)

Sadly, that's true of all of them. I have gone through romances with Makoto, Haru and Sumire. Poor Ann never gets any love. Maybe if I do NG+ with Royal for a fourth run, but I have too many other games to play right now.

>
>Anyway, it would almost certainly never happen, but I would love it if
>that cast went on to star in a completely different style of
>game, one in which they have to solve some kind of crisis
>without any of the supernatural hijinks of a Persona game (as
>opposed to the mechanics shifts in Strikers and
>Tactica). Just this group of preposterously talented
>teenagers* and their talking cat that normies can't hear, out there
>Scooby Ganging it up in their blue van. A weapon to surpass Metal
>Gear.
>
>Ah, well. On to NG+! Or possibly Strikers, although I tried
>it out a little when I bought it and I'm not sure I can get with the
>real-time combat...
>
>--G.
>* and Ryuji

Strikers is closer to a musou game, patterned after games like Dynasty Warriors. (It's made by the same folks.) Reviews aren't bad, but I never picked it up, that genre is not my jam. If I do action I need something deeper and more engaging, and I don't play many action games.

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>Some of the additions in Royal did not appeal to me--they felt tacked
>on, particularly everything to do with Maruki. Also, it felt strongly
>like Yoshizawa is written to be the love interest period, after the
>much freer set of choices in the original game.

Are she and Maruki in the original version of the game at all? They're both in parts of the game that happen before the stuff that was obviously added for Royal, but I haven't played the original, so I don't know whether those subplots were even there before the remaster.

Anyway, I don't mind Sumi, but I don't think I'll ever put a move on her. She feels much more suitable in the adopted-little-sister role, like Futaba.

>At least Sumire
>Yoshizawa didn't feel quite as tacked on, despite her story being so
>closely intertwined with Maruki's. The ending of P5 and its Crowning
>Moment of Awesome was far better, I thought.

Yeah, it's hard to top shooting God in the face. Punching an overwrought psychiatrist doesn't really do it, however satisfying it would be in ordinary life. :)

(Also, my dude, your Persona's name is Azathoth. How could you not realize that you're a Servant of Cosmic Evil? Read a book, man.)

>Sadly, that's true of all of them. I have gone through romances with
>Makoto, Haru and Sumire. Poor Ann never gets any love.

I like Ann as a character, but I think she works better as a pal for Joker, especially given the circumstances under which they met. OTOH, friendzoning Haru in my first run hurt. The poor girl recovers quickly and doesn't appear to hold it against you later on, but in the moment she's so crushed. I mean, it'd never work out, a princess and a guy like Han Joker? But even so, you hate to have to do her that way, as it were.

It's a little weird that at no point does anyone else seem to know Joker is dating whoever he's dating. Granted, there are some romances available that would have to be secret (like, uh, the ones with adults--Atlus, are you OK?), but the ones with various of Joker's peers wouldn't, at least in instances where he's not being a cad and having more than one. I guess the contingency web for the dialogue changes that would be required for everybody else to acknowledge it would have been too much of a bother to implement, though I'm sure I've seen the like in other games before.

>Strikers is closer to a musou game, patterned after games like Dynasty
>Warriors. (It's made by the same folks.) Reviews aren't bad, but I
>never picked it up, that genre is not my jam. If I do action I need
>something deeper and more engaging, and I don't play many action
>games.

Yeah, I've never played that type of game before, and I don't mind it as such, but I suspect from what I've played so far that it's liable to outrun my talent level for that kind of gameplay pretty early in the storyline. There's a heck of a lot to keep track of in real time. :/

--G.
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>...I would love it if
>that cast went on to star in a completely different style of
>game, one in which they have to solve some kind of crisis
>without any of the supernatural hijinks of a Persona game...

I'm completely unfamiliar with the characters, but I imagine some sort of business simulation/investigation. A ghost has asked them to help his granddaughters renovate an allegedly haunted hot spring in Kansai. They go in expecting supernatural problems, but actually it's Tanaka Oji-san.

Peter Eng
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Or something like that. I never said I was a good writer.