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I was at my sort-of-local milsurp store slash gun shop slash indoor range yesterday, doing the first bit of actual shooting I've done in a while—a result of which will appear in the regular feature here in a little while—when I noticed something behind the counter.

See, the thing a lot of people don't appreciate about the weirder corners of the shooting sports (and it has a lot of weird corners, enough that its geometry can't be Euclidean) is that though some are a little, or sometimes more than a little, dark and sinister—e.g., preppers, or people with a zealous fixation on Wound Ballistics—there are also more than a few that are just plain silly. Some are that way on purpose. Others get there in spite of being Serious Business. And not a few arrive in that territory because some people thought they were Serious Business.

I can't quite decide which of those this is, but I suspect it might be a combination: at least partially tongue-in-cheek on the manufacturer's part, taken seriously to the point of self-parody by a portion of the target market.

Worried that your shotgun isn't Tactical enough? Standard Manufacturing has a suggestion...

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Is that all? I've seen double barreled .45s and AR-15s companies are putting onto the market. For real fun, someone has developed a micro version of the minigun --- 5.56mm rounds at 2000 rounds a minute! :)

Craig

LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-17 AT 01:32 PM (EDT)
 
>Is that all? I've seen double barreled .45s and AR-15s companies are
>putting onto the market.

(thinks of that "two full-auto Steyr-Hahns = an SMG" thing the Austrians did in WWI. nihil novum sub sole :)

>For real fun, someone has developed a micro
>version of the minigun --- 5.56mm rounds at 2000 rounds a minute! :)

I have often thought that a .22 LR minigun ("microgun"?) would be hilariously good fun, though I'm not sure if the rimmed cartridge would cause feeding problems. The feed mechanism of the regular Minigun™ is inSANEly complicated. You can get hand-cranked Gatlings in that cartridge, though, so the actual gun system itself must be able to work with them.

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Note there is a .22 SMG going by various names. The one I'm familiar with is the American 180.

The american180.com website (gun store, I don't know if it's safe for your work or not; exercise discretion) had a historical site detailing their plans for 2 and 4 barrel version for counterinsurgency work.

>Note there is a .22 SMG going by various names. The one I'm familiar
>with is the American 180.

American 180, you say?

Fallout: New Vegas players may recognize it as the nameless .22 SMG preferred by members of the Chairmen gang.

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Considering the marketing bumf, and the fact that you can get a GOLD-PLATED one? It's far more than just partially, I suspect.

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>Considering the marketing bumf, and the fact that you can get a
>GOLD-PLATED one? It's far more than just partially, I suspect.

For when you need to bling bling your bang bang.

600 bucks more for the gold plating, too.

Is the gangsta market that big?

A friend of mine pointed out that the range of options presented like that made it look like an in-game store from some kind of first person shooter.

>A friend of mine pointed out that the range of options presented like
>that made it look like an in-game store from some kind of first person
>shooter.

Relevant: (link to twitter, is SFW)
https://twitter.com/mombot/status/836361364226482176
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Oh, you have NO idea....I'm just surprised you couldn't get it 'diamoned' on the sides, reading PIMP.

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Two other goofy shotguns to check out:

Kel-Tec KSG (it's mostly plastic! it's built like a Kel-Tec!)
Utas UTS-15 (it's mostly plastic and also Turkish!)

I guess the use case for these things is "home defense" and police forced entry, since they're shorter than a normal shotgun, but they're wonky as hell. There is a certain segment who just love spaceguns, and I think they cater mostly to those.

>Two other goofy shotguns to check out:
>
>Kel-Tec KSG (it's mostly plastic! it's built like a Kel-Tec!)
>Utas UTS-15 (it's mostly plastic and also Turkish!)
>
>I guess the use case for these things is "home defense" and police
>forced entry, since they're shorter than a normal shotgun, but they're
>wonky as hell.

Another one for the "nothing new under the sun" file, let's all take a moment and enjoy the spectacle of Ian "Forgotten Weapons" McCollum tangling with a Tactical Shotgun from the 1960s.

There's also this one. And this one and this one and this one (and tangentially this, which isn't a shotgun but is related to the preceding and is also terrible).

Come to think of it, Ian's covered a lot of terrible shotguns. Although not The Terrible Shotgun.

>There is a certain segment who just love spaceguns, and
>I think they cater mostly to those.

I can see that. I mock Tactical Timmies, but they are a lucrative market segment which manufacturers would be silly to ignore.

The employee I was buying a rifle from when I noticed the DP-12 said he'd tried one out, and "It will mess you up if you have experience shooting a normal pump shotgun," because your instincts tell you to pump the gun after firing one round, and if you do that with a DP-12 you're pumping out one empty and one live round each time. Or, as he put it, "Bang-bang-pump is just wrong."

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>>Two other goofy shotguns to check out:
>tell you to pump the gun after firing one round, and if you do that
>with a DP-12 you're pumping out one empty and one live round each
>time. Or, as he put it, "Bang-bang-pump is just wrong."

...I had assumed there were two triggers<1>, and one pulled both at the same time to fire both barrels at once, a la the Doom shotgun.

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-Pasha <1> Two triggers so that you're not firing more than one round per activation of the trigger mechanism so it's not a Class III weapon
"Don't change the subject"
"Too slow, already did."

>...I had assumed there were two triggers<1>, and one pulled both at
>the same time to fire both barrels at once, a la the Doom shotgun.

No, I guess it's got a conventional side-by-side trigger mechanism, one trigger that fires first one barrel, then the other. Doubles with two triggers do exist, although the ones I've seen have had them arranged so that you can't pull them both at once (presumably because that would be daft).

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>arranged so that you can't pull them both at once (presumably because
>that would be daft).

I, honestly, thought that being daft was the whole point of this piece of equipment.

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>>arranged so that you can't pull them both at once (presumably because
>>that would be daft).
>
>I, honestly, thought that being daft was the whole point of this piece
>of equipment.

There's daft and then there's daft. Losing control of your shotgun because you fired two shells at once is not Tactical. :)

Speaking of which, I just remembered the incredibly silly secondary fire on the shotgun in Half-Life. I think it was someone's idea of what the alternate mode on a SPAS-12 would be? Cross-pollinated with childhood memories of Elmer Fudd's shotgun from the Merrie Melodies cartoons and catalyzed by a complete lack of actual knowledge of shotguns. Right-clicking would mysteriously fire TWO cartridges—I guess one from the barrel and one from the... um... other barrel, which evidently the modeler didn't know was really just the magazine tube. :)

(Anyway, I was talking about normal doubles I've seen with twin triggers.)

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LAST EDITED ON Mar-22-17 AT 07:37 PM (EDT)
 
>Come to think of it, Ian's covered a lot of terrible shotguns.
>Although not The Terrible Shotgun.

One of my FO3 characters probably would have married that thing, if that were legal in the Capital Wasteland. A girl's best friend, next to her dog (often literally).