Starting off with a low-energy post.

And HoloEN3DRepeat strikes again!

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

Regis Altare 3D Showcase

Fuwawa and Mococo don't live in Japan, but don't go against them in a Mister Donut-finding competition.

--G.
I kinda love all the comments that are variations on, "Wow, it's like they used to be tour guides."
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>And HoloEN3DRepeat strikes again!

3D Repeat is a great little series. I think my favorite that doesn't involve Kronii being dismayed is this one, which, fair warning, you shouldn't watch with the sound on if there are any wine glasses or large panes of glass nearby.

--G.
"You did WHAT?!"
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Here's a screw-up that's just funny, rather than soul-crushingly depressing.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

>Here's a screw-up that's
>just funny, rather than
>soul-crushingly depressing.

I'm mildly disappointed that her reaction was not simply, "Brrruh."

--G.
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Also more cheerfully, Calli's 12-hour cat charity stream chain is now underway.

I am absolutely flat-ass broke, so I ask that you, my... uh... loyal? followers?... maybe help a reaper out in my name. You know. If you want. god i'm bad at this

--G.
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I was going to donate but they expected a £10 minimum rather than letting you choose, and that's not something I'm comfortable with. Sorry G.

Depending on how they do their payments, small amounts could just get eaten by fees, so that's probably why there's a minimum.

-IA.

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PayPal in particular, with a small enough payment, it actually COSTS the reciever money, I believe. Or it at least turns into zero.

I brought up Aki Rosenthal in the "General Vtubery" thread, which is now getting perilously long, but I wanted to say that it's very cool that she's in Conlang Song Gang along with Yoko Kanno and Hildegard of Bingen.

In other news, I'm embarrassed that I needed it pointed out that Ina's full given name is just an omitted apostrophe away from being the Latin word for "empty" or "void".

Shallys! Sung entirely in a language of Aki's own creation which is supposed to be Elvish~

Pay no attention to the owl in the background

>Pay no attention to the owl in the background

Kronii's voice is just so damn good.

--G.
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Tempus HQ 3D showcase collab. The opening song is very bittersweet, wish Vesper and Magni could've still been there. Bettel and Shinri filled in singing their parts for Top of the World.

Also Gura had an unarchived public karaoke for the first time in months, I'm sure you'll be able to find clippers in the next day if you missed it, it was a pretty great couple hours.

Yeah, I miss those two as well, but I'm pretty sure trying to keep up with all that in mocap 3d would've broken Grandpire. Unless they let him bring his spear along as a cane.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

Vesper was the only one of the boys I could really watch for very long. No hate on any of the others, I just simply can't match vibes with them.

>Yeah, I miss those two as well, but I'm pretty sure trying to keep up
>with all that in mocap 3d would've broken Grandpire. Unless they let
>him bring his spear along as a cane.

Counterpoint: He owed us hitting the woah in 3D : (

Cover has received Gura's Streamy Award.

COVER Corporation was able to receive the award safely on behalf of Gawr Gura, and will be sending it to Gura.

Ha ha ha imagine if you were a huge content creator but you weren't allowed to get your own awards for your personal achievements sent to you ha ha ha

>Ha ha ha imagine if you were a huge content creator but you weren't
>allowed to get your own awards for your personal achievements sent to
>you ha ha ha

OPSEC 101, yo...

--G.
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What they mean is that, Anycolor, the parent company of Nijisanji, never sent their talents anything received such as play buttons. The NijiEN folks barely even got their *fan mail*.

>>Ha ha ha imagine if you were a huge content creator but you weren't
>>allowed to get your own awards for your personal achievements sent to
>>you ha ha ha
>
>OPSEC 101, yo...
>

Oh no, sorry, that was taking another shot at Anycolor. You know how Youtube gives out Play Button awards to content creators for hitting 100k and 1M subscribers? Nijisanji livers DON'T get to actually receive and keep theirs because Anycolor considers that those belong to the company. Cover/hololive does not do that, they'll receive them initially but then send them to the talent (and/or pay for the extra copy if they also wanted to keep it for the office).

>Cover/hololive does not do that, they'll receive them
>initially but then send them to the talent (and/or pay for the extra
>copy if they also wanted to keep it for the office).

I believe they keep one for the office, and have a second that's specifically for the talents, if they want one, yes. Anycolor doesn't give them that option, from everything we've ever heard from everyone.

>Oh no, sorry, that was taking another shot at Anycolor. You know how
>Youtube gives out Play Button awards to content creators for hitting
>100k and 1M subscribers? Nijisanji livers DON'T get to actually
>receive and keep theirs because Anycolor considers that those belong
>to the company.

Oh, I see. I took "allowed to get... sent to you" to imply an unspoken "by the people awarding them," not "period." I get it now.

--G.
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Biboo can only stream for four hours.

>Biboo can only stream for four hours.

And 30 minutes! I mean, it's not nothing. :)

--G.
"The first button is 'Mococœ'." "Ahhh."
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Only Kaela would be sweaty enough to sit down and practice for a game where being thrown off your game is a large part of the entertainment.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

Update on the rat issue at Hololive HQ, Bae is closer to moving into a new JP Shed, provided she can get past her most difficult obstacle: Finding a place that has a gas stove instead of an induction one.

And apparently she needs to do it quick, because Mama Rat's coming to do an inspection in April.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

Prepare for the Moomification.

>Prepare for the Moomification.

I'm ready to be a different kind of moomin troll.

--G.
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Nerissa stunning her genmates as usual

>Nerissa stunning her genmates as usual

Fuwamoco's face animations are next-level. I've noticed that before with Mococo's really subtle twitchy side-eye, and now I see Fuwawa doing the straight-up Eyes of Fear.

Also, I love how unflapped Shiori is by the whole business. "Advent's straightest member!"

--G.
"Oh, you dreamed it!" "I think that's worse."

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In hilariously adorable news, Owl makes ¥4,000,000 in 1 minute. For those not familiar with the exchange rate, that's roughly $27,000 from superchats in a single minute. This was as part of a one-time offer to redraw profile pictures for viewers who donated in that one-minute window. She received 400 superchats and has already had to stretch the effort across two streams with plenty more left to go.

It's amazing to see this outpouring of support, especially after she admitted towards the start of the same stream that the reason she'd taken a month-long break and was still going to be streaming less for awhile was due to stress from keeping up with her previous schedule and caring for a friend (Selen/Doki) the last couple of months.

Sasuga best owl!

We love our owl and our dragonbird, I think everyone was just WAITING for a chance to drop money on her because their friendship is very much unsecret, as was the likely reason she extended her hiatus.

Shark tail

>Shark tail

"Which makes me uncomfortable, but it is what it is."

--G.
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Kronii refuses to pet the shark tail.

Kronii is never going to wash her hands again

Kronii experiences Japanese trains

Does anyone know what's with Kaela's obsession with 69? I ask because she seems like the least horny Holomem, and I can't really think of another explanation that seems to fit.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

>Does anyone know what's with Kaela's obsession with 69? I ask because
>she seems like the least horny Holomem, and I can't really think of
>another explanation that seems to fit.
>
>"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

Biboo asking
Kaela looking it up

The anniversary of Kaela's memberships opening up is June 9th.

Well, I feel like an idiot for not looking for a video first, but thanks for the answer.

I knew our cutecool penguinblacksmith wasn't secretly a perv . . . though I don't know how she's able to stay that way, considering her branch-mates.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

Therapist: "Emo owl isn't real. It can't hurt you."

Emo owl:

I'm not going to say anything at them about it in chat or on Twitter or anything because it's their lives and they're all obviously happy about it, but on a purely selfish level, it's bumming me out a little how many of the English-language vtubers I watch are moving to Japan.

--G.
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I think it’s partly to be able to 3D. I’ve gone over elsewhere - probably youtube - about how setting up a studio in America would be inconvenient for literally everybody involved, but there’s just no other option for studio quality 3D than actually being in a studio. Ame’s home 3D setup is good, but it’s not nearly good enough, and she converted an entire room of her house for it, not everyone can do that, unfortunately.

Since I assume this is related to Fuwamoco, I....actually thought they already lived in Japan :3 but I guess they’re moving there, soon!

Bae’s move is pretty lateral - she’s gonna be pretty much in the same time zone, she’ll just have fewer spiders to shake out of her shoes.

Is anyone else moving? Mel was toying with the idea, but I don’t think she’s actually said anything but what if’s, same with Matara....Henya and Kson already live there...Calli’s still there...is Kronii just on a trip?

>I think it’s partly to be able to 3D. I’ve gone over elsewhere -
>probably youtube - about how setting up a studio in America would be
>inconvenient for literally everybody involved, but there’s just no
>other option for studio quality 3D than actually being in a studio.
>Ame’s home 3D setup is good, but it’s not nearly good enough, and
>she converted an entire room of her house for it, not everyone can do
>that, unfortunately.

I find myself wondering what they need for 3D that they can't already get. 'Full body motion tracking' is the obvious thing that leaps to mind, but I'd been led to believe it was already possible to do high quality tracking for dirt cheap using fiducial markers.

And what about those timezones? I know it's something that Kiara was worried about in this three year old video I was watching. Even with the other advantages, it's got to be a tradeoff on some level...

-IA.

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>>I think it’s partly to be able to 3D. I’ve gone over elsewhere -
>>probably youtube - about how setting up a studio in America would be
>>inconvenient for literally everybody involved, but there’s just no
>>other option for studio quality 3D than actually being in a studio.
>>Ame’s home 3D setup is good, but it’s not nearly good enough, and
>>she converted an entire room of her house for it, not everyone can do
>>that, unfortunately.
>
>I find myself wondering what they need for 3D that they can't already
>get. 'Full body motion tracking' is the obvious thing that leaps to
>mind, but I'd been led to believe it was already possible to do high
>quality tracking for dirt cheap using fiducial markers.
>
>And what about those timezones? I know it's something that Kiara was
>worried about in this three year old video I was watching. Even with
>the other advantages, it's got to be a tradeoff on some level...
>
>-IA.
>
>(received information not interpretable)

If you want to see what Cover's new 3D studio looks like. You can compare what a real full studio has to offer vs even some high quality but single cam setup at home, nevermind the back end processing and staff space for real time collaboration between talents and the producers.

(They also talk a little about the staffing issues back then.)

Yeah, the difference in home and studio 3D setups is WILD. Especially for actual concert level things. Bandwidth and latency is also an issue. They also have choreographers there at the studio for lessons, which is another reason they tend to go for several weeks at a time.

The software Cover uses is at least semi-proprietary, I believe, to boot. Probably not really stuff you can just run on a gaming rig. There's a reason there's only like four vtubers with the proper rig to run full 3D.

>The software Cover uses is at least semi-proprietary, I believe, to
>boot. Probably not really stuff you can just run on a gaming rig.
>There's a reason there's only like four vtubers with the proper rig to
>run full 3D.

Eh... I'm not sure that's a reasonable comparison. A large space with a lot of cameras like that video showed is really on a different order from something like a three-camera setup to cover a single room. Which shouldn't really be that big an ask for a modern system to handle even if full body tracking really wants more points than something like the Oculus Rift did.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there's no advantages to the studio setup, just that it's hard for me to reconcile the tech I've read about existing with so few people using it.

-IA.

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That three camera setup is fine for everyday stuff, but it glitches out *constantly*, just look at Fillian and Zentreya's streams, and they have actual suits.

That's not nearly good enough for proper 3D collabs and ESPECIALLY not good enough for a concert. Even Fillian, when she did the vtuber awards show, actually went to a studio to do it.

>That three camera setup is fine for everyday stuff, but it glitches
>out *constantly*, just look at Fillian and Zentreya's streams, and
>they have actual suits.
>
>That's not nearly good enough for proper 3D collabs and ESPECIALLY not
>good enough for a concert. Even Fillian, when she did the vtuber
>awards show, actually went to a studio to do it.

Another thing to bear in mind is that while we think of Hololive when Cover Corp is mentioned, they started the whole vtuber thing as a way to advertise their 2d avatar software and mocap equipment. Staging big 3D concerts with choreographed routines and life-like movement is as much about selling outside companies on the equipment that made it possible as it is selling merch to the fans.

The primary reason (at least according to Bae) is that she's tired of flying back and forth multiple times a year between Holo HQ and Australia. Apparently 3D concerts and events require more than just the mocap rigs that most of the Holomems have at home and buying a set for everybody would be outrageously expensive, leaving traveling back and forth to HQ as the only option currently. Moona over at HoloIN is (IIRC) the only one who has saved up to buy her own equipment and she did it because she was tired of the travel. I don't know if others are moving for the same reason, but I strongly suspect it's somewhere towards the top of their lists.

The fact that the rat found out download speeds are 3X faster and upload speeds 30X faster in Japan than they are down under may have played a part in her move as well...

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>The primary reason (at least according to Bae) is that she's tired of flying back and forth
>multiple times a year between Holo HQ and Australia. Apparently 3D
>concerts and events require more than just the mocap rigs that most of
>the Holomems have at home and buying a set for everybody would be
>outrageously expensive, leaving traveling back and forth to HQ as the
>only option currently. Moona over at HoloIN is (IIRC) the only one
>who has saved up to buy her own equipment and she did it because she
>was tired of the travel. I don't know if others are moving for the
>same reason, but I strongly suspect it's somewhere towards the top of
>their lists.
>

For the really big events, they also need to do stuff together in studio with the huge amount of staffing demands that has. It's not just the physical space and equipment, you need the people to run it too.

With some types of songs and events, they might be able to film at home or even separately and stitch things together, but if they ever want to participate in something like Hoshimatic if that runs again or other specifically choreographed things, they probably need to be in Japan to do it.

Other than that, being in Japan opens up a lot more opportunities for off-collabs that aren't huge events with more impromptu scheduling. It's not as if HoloEN collectively lived that close to each other, nevermind even being in the same time zone.

That, I think, is the main thing that Cover didn't quite understand going in - just how abso-fucking-gigantic North America is compared to Japan. You can cross the whole country of Japan from tip to tip in an overnight train ride or a couple hour flight.

I need to drive for an hour just to get to the next city over, and five before I reach the border of my province.

It's a problem that far larger companies have run into before and will continue to - Nintendo for instance, simply doesn't get that America is enormous. Peer to peer connections for multi-player are perfectly fine in Japan, and the culture of social gaming - couch co-op, being within ten feet of others in general - is far larger because Japan looks down on online friendships.

Only shut-in losers don't go out and physically meet their friends to socialize with them regularly, right?

Anyway back to Cover, I think that's part of why they reduced the amount of 3D events - it was taking such a toll on their overseas talents. The other part being the toll it was likely taking on their internal staff. They're short on skilled staff for the 3D equipment, and they're having to compete with movie and gaming studios for staff, so they're having to train people on it and that's a couple years off from being properly experienced.

>Anyway back to Cover, I think that's part of why they reduced the
>amount of 3D events - it was taking such a toll on their overseas
>talents. The other part being the toll it was likely taking on their
>internal staff. They're short on skilled staff for the 3D equipment,
>and they're having to compete with movie and gaming studios for staff,
>so they're having to train people on it and that's a couple years off
>from being properly experienced.

It was also taking a toll on talents because no one likes having to delay or pass milestones because someone else (more important!) has the studio booked. It's just good for everyone to reduce expectations.

Yeah, that's always a shame.

As for Moona, I think she already had a beefy bank account as an actual model before Hololive - Or perhaps she just into temporary debt to get it done because it was just that much off a friggin' hassle going to and from Japan all the dang time.

I get the practicalities of why they do it (at least for holomems; I think Mel just likes the idea of living someplace with hot and cold running weirdness). Understanding that doesn't stop me from beind mildly, mostly-irrationally irritated, that's all. :)

--G.
I mean, Bae lived in a time zone beyond the rings of Saturn already, so, six of one, but...
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