Opening the thread with Faunyaaaa repeat.

Also Kronii announced a live during her chat stream. We'll see if she gets guests this time who aren't Kronii.

From the previous thread:
> which is about as close as I think any of the Holo EN girls will get to a "lewdtubing" stream

Where, I wonder, does one draw the line?

As context, I've been watching some VODs from Sinder, an independent who's sometimes called a lewdtuber... but I'm not sure she's that much further out there than some of the things Kiara says. Just... higher frequency maybe.

-IA.

(also i don't know where to talk about independent vtubers when the more general threads all have hololive in the title)

>(also i don't know where to talk about independent vtubers when the
>more general threads all have hololive in the title)

Should be this one

When it says 'recs' though it doesn't feel like it's the place for general discussion. (Or, in the case that made me feel the lack, "cute/wholesome moments during non-Hololive vtuber's streams".)

-IA.

(received information not interpretable)

>When it says 'recs' though it doesn't feel like it's the place for
>general discussion. (Or, in the case that made me feel the lack,
>"cute/wholesome moments during non-Hololive vtuber's streams".)

Well, if you don't find a thread that you reckon suits what you want to talk about, you can always make a new one. They don't cost extra! :)

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>From the previous thread:
>> which is about as close as I think any of the Holo EN girls will get to a "lewdtubing" stream
>
>Where, I wonder, does one draw the line?

My thought is, the line is between "oops, that one slipped out" and "alright, we're gonna go there". Zatsu streams can sometimes get into unusual places (especially Shiori's), but I don't think I've ever seen a stream where HoloEN girls have just expounded on the virtues of thighs for 5 minutes like Bao and Nerissa did.

This is also why I'm specifying "HoloEN" though, because I've seen clips of Marine and Okayu doing a stream where the managers just threw in the towel and let them go for it.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

There's three people in Hololive JP that nobody can contain anymore; Marine, Haachama, and Okayu. Get any two of them together and all they can do is pray they don't cause an Incident.

I don't think all three have ever been together without there being somebody also there to keep them in check. Like Sora, or Suisei, or Pekora.

Oddly enough, Pekora is like the base you throw on an acid spill - She doesn't like the sexy type things, and Marine clamps RIGHT down on her tendencies when they're together out of respect for it.

Okayu's more of a multiplier on shenanigans of the sexy variety...and Haachama is....Haachama Is.

>Pekora... doesn't like the sexy type things

Which is pretty funny, since she's a rabbit.

--G.
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Actually, weirdly, I can't think of any rabbit vtuber who's all sexytimes like.
Instead of being horny, they're all just insane.

Which honestly is more appropriate for actual rabbits, which aren't actually all that horny. They're always fertile, like humans are, and they do hump each other a lot, but that's really not as much for mating as it is for jockeying for social position. Rabbits will mount anything to try to become a more dominant bun, that, I think, is how they got the reputation for being always wanting sex.

But really, it's just that social positioning is a *huge* thing for rabbits.

>Actually, weirdly, I can't think of any rabbit vtuber who's all
>sexytimes like.
>Instead of being horny, they're all just insane.
>
>Which honestly is more appropriate for actual rabbits, which aren't
>actually all that horny.

This would fit better if animal-themed vtubers in general weren't composed almost entirely of stereotypes about the animal. :)

--G.
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> This would fit better if animal-themed vtubers in
> general weren't composed almost entirely of
> stereotypes about the animal. :)

Which makes it even weirder that there's like, no rabbitubers who are all horny and sexy like you'd expect. :)

>except Chloe, once described by Gura as "a kid who's
>zero percent orca"

Which is extra funny due to all the memes about Chloe "eating" Gura since orcas eat sharks, which came to a crashing halt when we saw that Chloe was too soft to eat anyone.

. . . or anything at all if she didn't clean up.

Also I know "Hololive lore" doesn't hold up very long, but how did they cast this girl as the hitman of HoloX?

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

>There's three people in Hololive JP that nobody can contain anymore;
>Marine, Haachama, and Okayu. Get any two of them together and all they
>can do is pray they don't cause an Incident.

Matsuri is pretty bad too. I want to say Choco can get there?

Matsuri was never containable. She didn't breech containment so much as evaded it in the first place. (Also, I forgot about her.) :3

Choco's more like Okayu, I think, except she actually *tries* to be seiso but fails because she's just too damn naturally sex.

>Choco's more like Okayu, I think, except she actually *tries* to be
>seiso but fails because she's just too damn naturally sex.

see also: IRyS.

--G.
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>My thought is, the line is between "oops, that one slipped out" and
>"alright, we're gonna go there". Zatsu streams can sometimes get into
>unusual places (especially Shiori's), but I don't think I've ever seen
>a stream where HoloEN girls have just expounded on the virtues of
>thighs for 5 minutes like Bao and Nerissa did.

I don't know about 5 minutes, but it sure seemed like thighs have come up a lot so far in Kiara's Ryza videos (that I'm about halfway through).

And then there's the part I'd describe as "Someone told Kiara that she could change Klaudia's clothes now. She was going 'haf haf'."

-IA.

(received information not interpretable)

The difference between a lewdtuber and a regular person who's just lewd sometimes is...pretty vague when they're only on Youtube or Twitch. but Lewdtubers often embrace the adult stuff in ways that others don't-slash-can't. Bao, Sinder, Vexoria, they may have actual naked toggles to their models, they interact with and post to their adult tags on Twitter, they may have an Onlyfans or Patreon or Fanbox or something where they'll do prerecorded adult stuff, all that sort of thing.

Melody is in a class above Lewdtuber and is an actual sex worker - not the only one, but the only one I can actually name; they tend to stick only to the actual adult spaces.

Kiara can't do any of that, even assuming she wanted to.

>The difference between a lewdtuber and a regular person who's just
>lewd sometimes is...pretty vague when they're only on Youtube or
>Twitch. but Lewdtubers often embrace the adult stuff in ways that
>others don't-slash-can't. Bao, Sinder, Vexoria, they may have actual
>naked toggles to their models, they interact with and post to their
>adult tags on Twitter, they may have an Onlyfans or Patreon or Fanbox
>or something where they'll do prerecorded adult stuff, all that sort
>of thing.

There's nothing there I can really argue about, but I can also only directly judge what I've seen, and so far Sinder... hasn't had any of that. (There's apparently a running joke about her Onlyfans-or-something, but it's a running joke *because* she doesn't have one.)

Well, mostly I just like both their senses of humor and think them doing a colab of a two player coop game would be a good time, and it's very sad.

-IA.

(received information not interpretable)

Ragulin got stiffly up from his seat, retrieved the
datacrystal from the playback deck, held it up so that it glittered in
the stage lights, and declared loudly,
"THIS is the future of Earth's music! Don't you understand?
Fifteen thousand years of human cultural evolution has all been
leading up to THIS!"

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

Mori's started doing more with the YouTube Shorts thing, and for all that I tend to dislike the way YT presents Shorts (and the whole "portrait mode video" thing generally), I think a lot of hers are pretty good. For instance, this one starts out like a 3D Repeat of a classic moment, but then... well. (As Philip noted, "Could absolutely happen one day in New Avalon.")

Also this sick henshin scene, which it's criminal is only available in this shitty format.

--G.
... and then there's this one, which is just silly
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My first thought is "these are awesome", but then my second thought is "Jesus, Calli, quit spending money faster than you bring it in!"

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

LAST EDITED ON Mar-09-24 AT 08:34 PM (EST)
 
Calli feels to me like the kind of person who doesn't really *want* much more money than she needs, so she'll just kinda...spend it on stuff she thinks is neat, and her family, and her friends. And she's almost certainly getting way more money than she needs right now, between her streams, albums, and contracts for things like doing the promo song for One Piece chapter 106.

I was under the impression especially with her drawing-for-superchats streams that she was a bit tapped out after her last MV and trying to refill the bank, at least for doing new projects. Obviously, that isn't the same as being on the rocks with her personal finances*, but I worry that she might over-commit with things like the shorts and end up in a tight spot.

*if Calli did get into an uncomfortable spot on rent or the like, I expect we'd be the last to ever know, if only because she would feel guilty about the amount of SCs the Deadbeats would pour on her if they found out.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

>Mori's started doing more with the YouTube Shorts thing, and for all
>that I tend to dislike the way YT presents Shorts (and the whole
>"portrait mode video" thing generally), I think a lot of hers are
>pretty good. For instance,
>this one
>starts out like a 3D Repeat of a
>classic moment, but
>then... well. (As Philip noted, "Could absolutely happen one day in
>New Avalon.")

I genuinely thought for a second she was doing the Saints Row "jump through the windshield and kick the guy out" carjacking maneuver.

And yes, this is totally an incident that would end up in some poor sap's in-box at the NAPD. Not as weird as the incident on Tomodachi where some woman in a kimono sliced a cargo truck in half with a wooden sword*, but certainly one that will end up on the year's end highlight reel.

*If you got that reference, congrats, we're old.

Not that I think anyone would think otherwise of the Blue Bird of Despair (or X, as some people call it); however, in this specific instance of Twitter being evil, I'm 99.9% sure the algorithm randomly doxxed Fuwamoco's RL account to me.

This did reveal two interesting pieces of trivia: 1) Mococo does the "this girl worries me" side-eye in real life too, and 2) they're trying to launch an entire other idol project on the side, which is on par or worse than Calli's "I stream and rap for a living, and in my off time, I stream and rap" lifestyle in her first couple years of Hololive.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

If it isn't Twitter, it's Youtube doxxing vtubers PLs and real accounts.

That said, it's not exactly the most difficult to pick out the HoloEN girls. I said in another thread somewhere that HoloEN is home to some of the most open secrets in vtubing, with 4/5th of Myth being identified by the end of their first sentences, and 2/5 of Advent being ID'd before they even debuted. :3

I got into vtubers right after Council debuted, so Advent was my first real exposure to "looking behind the mask". It just feels weird when it happens because I'm torn between "wanting to know more about these people" and "I'm intruding on something they're trying to keep separate." Of course, I ended up falling on the side of snooping to know more. That led me to one more piece of trivia from what was on their PL account: Fuwamoco are intensely into their blue/pink theming.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

>Not that I think anyone would think otherwise of the Blue Bird of
>Despair (or X, as some people call it); however, in this specific
>instance of Twitter being evil, I'm 99.9% sure the algorithm randomly
>doxxed Fuwamoco's RL account to me.

It's not random. The algorithm knows that people who know follow both accounts, and so will link them together as related and recommend the other if you're looking at one only. If you want to blame someone, blame people that follow both and trigger that.

That said, as was noted, all of the EN girls are fairly known at this point to various degrees, allowing for Advent having less time and thus less info for some.

The exceptions are more notable than the information that's known. Kronii has actually been fairly secure, there's only one or two iffy photos of her out there, in halloween costume to boot. Bijou and Shiori had nothing out there last I heard. Everyone else has at minimum RL photos out there to obviously being RL with facecam streamers/performers to having full name and their peer-reviewed papers found. (The internet is fucking wild. Take that as yet another lesson to be careful what you say and do in aggregate.)

>(The internet is fucking wild. Take that as yet another
>lesson to be careful what you say and do in aggregate.)

As my Strength of Materials professor warned the class back when I was in the MET program:

"That Instagram photo of you passed out drunk with a candle up your ass is going to be a lot less funny when you see it during a job interview in a few years."

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I think at this point, the only real defense might be "overexposure"- once there's a reel of everybody doing stupid shit out there, it won't be notable enough to hold against people.

I hope.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

as long as the people making the decisions are in a position to (hypocritically) tut-tut about the behavior of The Youth:

nope.

(IMO)

Yeah, I suppose "random" isn't exactly the right word to use, more just "out of the blue"- I mainly use Twitter just for Hololive announcements, fanart, and some meme content, which leads to my feed being pretty regular in terms of who I see. So when this completely different account popped up, I looked to see why, and it gave the game away immediately (I mean it could've been coincidental, but there can't be that many sets of twin sisters moving from Canada to Japan at this time of year).

I'm surprised there's nothing on Shiori, since she's been around for quite some time as a streamer. On the other hand, I expect nothing will come up for Bijou; I can't readily find a clip, but I recall her saying that she only did streaming before Hololive because they told her in one of her failed auditions that they were only accepting people who had prior streaming experience. So whatever channel she had before is probably minuscule and won't show up.

>The internet is fucking wild. Take that as yet another lesson to be careful
>what you say and do in aggregate.

Definitely agreed. I'm running on the theory of "I'm too unimportant to doxx", which is almost certainly a bad idea, and also means if I do accomplish anything of note, I'm either going to need to try to scrub things out in a hurry or just accept that people are going to know a bunch of stuff about me.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

Oof, speaking of how data can pile up, Kronii's doing a voice-acting stream, and she mentioned she was only going to run for 5 more minutes, until "1:10". This threw me, since I thought it was 10:30 where I live, so I checked the time to see if I'd accidentally lost half an hour while I was watching.

Nope, turns out there's a tiny chunk of Canada that's half an hour ahead of the adjacent timezone, which might be the stupidest decision in the history of timekeeping. It's unfortunate for Kronii (the person) to have that out there, but also kinda hilarious and appropriate for Kronii (The Warden of Time) to be out-of-sync with the majority of the world.

There's also chunks of Australia, New Zealand, and Nepal that are 45 minutes off of standard, which just seems cruel.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

>Nope, turns out there's a tiny chunk of Canada that's half an hour
>ahead of the adjacent timezone

Wait. Newfoundland?!

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I believe that specific part might be 'Labrador' now. Some Things Happened and now it's known as 'Newfoundland and Labrador'. I'm pretty sure it's still one province on official stuff, but, well...as I understand it at least there's a bit of a *Scotland* thing going on.

That said, I totally had her pegged as being on the *other* side of the country. God, if she's really all the way out there, her flying to Japan immediately post jaw surgery would have been TURBO hell for her, and taken like...cripes! A quick google search shows the shortest flights taking twenty one hours.

>I believe that specific part might be 'Labrador' now.

Other way around - Newfoundland is the island, Labrador is the part on the mainland. Although officially the time zone applies to the entire province, I think in practice, most of Labrador goes by Atlantic Time instead.

Also, fun fact: Newfoundland {and Labrador} wasn't part of Canada until 1949! Before then it was a separate Imperial dominion, and participated in both World Wars in that capacity. That's why they have that weird time zone: the real solar time in St. John's is almost exactly three and a half hours behind Greenwich. (It's also why the traditional opening narration of Hockey Night in Canada includes the line, "Hello Canada, and hockey fans in the United States and Newfoundland!")

Anyway, yeah, if that's true, it surprises me on a number of levels. Newfoundland isn't a place one generally associates with things like reliable high-speed Internet service and the kind of pop-culture background hum that would produce a Kronii. It feels kind of like I imagine it would to find out Gura lives in, say, Bangor. :)

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>>I believe that specific part might be 'Labrador' now.
>
>Other way around - Newfoundland is the island, Labrador is the part on
>the mainland. Although officially the time zone applies to the entire
>province, I think in practice, most of Labrador goes by Atlantic Time
>instead.

Huh! I was sure the island was Labrador, okay~ always sucked at geography. :3

>Also, fun fact: Newfoundland {and Labrador} wasn't part of Canada
>until 1949! Before then it was a separate Imperial dominion, and
>participated in both World Wars in that capacity. That's why they
>have that weird time zone: the real solar time in St. John's is almost
>exactly three and a half hours behind Greenwich.

Not being a part of Canada until then is exactly the problem I’m thinking of - I believe it goes that it may have not exactly been a *fair vote* as to whether or not to join Canada or not, and folks have been increasingly somewhat grumpy about it since. I think the last I heard about...ten years ago? They were trying to get together another referendum to vote to leave. Lotta Scotland vibes to the whole deal, except it was potentially crooked voting rather than getting conquered.

>Not being a part of Canada until then is exactly the problem I’m
>thinking of - I believe it goes that it may have not exactly been a
>*fair vote* as to whether or not to join Canada or not, and folks have
>been increasingly somewhat grumpy about it since. I think the last I
>heard about...ten years ago? They were trying to get together another
>referendum to vote to leave. Lotta Scotland vibes to the whole deal,
>except it was potentially crooked voting rather than getting
>conquered.

If I'm recalling my middle school Social Studies correctly, there was pressure from London for NL to join Confederation, for reasons both structural (they wanted to have only one Dominion in North America, and also wanted to force NL to adopt Canada's greater level of self-management) and fiscal (they regarded NL as a money sink; the NL government was actually in debt to Britain, and those debts were partly taken on by Canada and partly forgiven when NL joined). I'm not sure if it was put to a referendum at all, but it seems pretty clear that joining Confederation was the least bad option available to NL at the time.

It's entirely probable there never was a vote at the time, my Social Studies grades were dismal, and my awareness of current events is worse, so there's at least a 30% chance I'm going to be wrong on anything involving either one.

>Oof, speaking of how data can pile up, Kronii's doing a voice-acting
>stream, and she mentioned she was only going to run for 5 more
>minutes, until "1:10". This threw me, since I thought it was 10:30
>where I live, so I checked the time to see if I'd accidentally lost
>half an hour while I was watching.

Out of curiosity do you have a timestamp on this one? I had thought she was either on the far west coast or Saskatchewan previously.

She HAS talked about things that would be much more known to a west coaster. Maybe Sally lives out east and Kronii's visiting.

So here is where she says it, but it turns out that it might be a false alarm on my part, because the timestamp on the video is 1:03 when she says it, so she could've just been talking about the length of the stream. Which if so I didn't take into account at the time.

In my defense, Kronii doesn't usually start her streams on the dot.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

>I'm surprised there's nothing on Shiori, since she's been around for
>quite some time as a streamer. On the other hand, I expect nothing
>will come up for Bijou; I can't readily find a clip, but I recall her
>saying that she only did streaming before Hololive because they told
>her in one of her failed auditions that they were only accepting
>people who had prior streaming experience. So whatever channel she had
>before is probably minuscule and won't show up.

Shiori's ironically disciplined enough to not cross the streams so there's nothing about real her on her roommate account that could be found. Bijou was the diamond in the rough 2view so no one was around to find anything for her based on just her roommate account. And neither of them have been in holo long enough for people to figure out anything extra and find their real private accounts (if they exist) yet.

On the JP side, most people are known to some degree or another with the standout shining example of Suisei, who is a fucking ghost and we love her all the more for it.

>>The internet is fucking wild. Take that as yet another lesson to be careful
>>what you say and do in aggregate.
>
>Definitely agreed. I'm running on the theory of "I'm too unimportant
>to doxx", which is almost certainly a bad idea, and also means if I do
>accomplish anything of note, I'm either going to need to try to scrub
>things out in a hurry or just accept that people are going to know a
>bunch of stuff about me.

web archive is not your friend in this case, unfortunately.

>On the JP side, most people are known to some degree or another with
>the standout shining example of Suisei, who is a fucking ghost and we
>love her all the more for it.

I'm pretty sure if somebody tried to drop a dime on Suisei, the only thing we'd find out is that "being an axe-murderer" isn't just an in-game quirk.

Likewise, if I ever see the headline "vtuber arrested in grisly murder", I'm checking on Mumei first.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

>The exceptions are more notable than the information that's known.
>Kronii has actually been fairly secure, there's only one or two iffy
>photos of her out there, in halloween costume to boot. Bijou and
>Shiori had nothing out there last I heard. Everyone else has at
>minimum RL photos out there to obviously being RL with facecam
>streamers/performers to having full name and their peer-reviewed
>papers found. (The internet is fucking wild. Take that as yet another
>lesson to be careful what you say and do in aggregate.)

Kronii's *face* isn't that known. But her prior youtube account is known. Interestingly, she's been active on it relatively recently.

It's much more likely to find things like that than photos. A lot of the girls were streamers or made videos before - singing, a lot of them. Several were vtubers already before Hololive. At least one was even once part of the blackest rainbow company (And, from a couple of rumors, was bullied.)

>>The exceptions are more notable than the information that's known.
>>Kronii has actually been fairly secure, there's only one or two iffy
>>photos of her out there, in halloween costume to boot. Bijou and
>>Shiori had nothing out there last I heard. Everyone else has at
>>minimum RL photos out there to obviously being RL with facecam
>>streamers/performers to having full name and their peer-reviewed
>>papers found. (The internet is fucking wild. Take that as yet another
>>lesson to be careful what you say and do in aggregate.)
>
>
>Kronii's *face* isn't that known. But her prior youtube account is
>known. Interestingly, she's been active on it relatively recently.
>
>It's much more likely to find things like that than photos. A lot of
>the girls were streamers or made videos before - singing, a lot of
>them. Several were vtubers already before Hololive. At least one was
>even once part of the blackest rainbow company (And, from a couple of
>rumors, was bullied.)

Knowing their roommate accounts is trivial. For a big company like hololive, there are good guesses for most of them pre-debut by now and the Internet knows who they are as soon as they finish their debut, if not the moment they open their mouths. It's only for the holostars that it gets a little iffier because they have so fewer eyes on them, so it's much harder to find the diamond in the rough pick in the gen. We only know Axel originally because he had one absolute diehard fan who screamed it from the rooftops when he debuted that they were happy that he had made it.

(Incidentally, it used to be that if you ever wondered that Kronii was up to when on a break, you checked her old genmates because she remains very close to them. This is also why on a couple of her earliest trips, you might have seen she made less collab content with other holos or stuck around as long...because she actually used those opportunities for a vacation with her old crew instead to LA and Japan.)

...Her old genmates? Kronii? I only know her from another account where she sang about kicking the moons ass...

>...Her old genmates? Kronii? I only know her from another account
>where she sang about kicking the moons ass...

As with maybe about 1/2 of the rest of the successful applicants, she did used to be a Vtuber before. She was part of VirPro (which given what her voice work is associated with makes a lot of sense when you dig into it).

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.....oh WOW, she switched over in less than a MONTH.

And I knew she was good at voices, but holy cow.

Also, HECK, I remember her from an episode of Things Vtubers Say! Been watching False way too long.

>And I knew she was good at voices, but holy cow.

Yeah, in some corners she gets derided for it but she is legitimately a professional VA, just only on small company/indie projects. She keeps grinding away and it's great to see. Her work in Please Be Happy was really good and I'm sure Twofold will be good also whenever I get around to playing it.

Random HoloGra, but worth it just for Laplus antics.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."