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Topic ID: 49
#0, Ex NIJI vtubers and tax problems
Posted by Kendra Kirai on Apr-30-24 at 03:44 PM
So, Michi Mochivee recently debuted, and, as few have made any bones about (Is that the term?), was once a member of a certain agency.

She had a Previous Employer who asked if she wanted to have part of her paycheck garnished in order to pay taxes. This is somewhat normal in Indonesia, where she lives. What is not normal, is that this previous employer used that garnishment to pay their own taxes and not hers, without making it clear to her that's what it was for. And also what the fuck? 'Hey, wanna pay our taxes for us out of your paycheck?'

This along with Kuro of VShojo's tax issues which had him in a massive amount of debt (Which Michi was also, because of her Previous Employer's horseshit) and Dokibird somehow making ZERO profit for 2023 despite being wildly popular, and participating in many sponsorships and big events, suggests that this is a Nijisanji pattern, in which Nijisanji steals from the talents in order to pay their own taxes without telling the talents they aren't paying their taxes for them, while simultaneously giving them the idea that they are doing so.

I haven't watched the Legal Mindset video on it yet (of course there is one already) but it seems to me that this is some sort of fraud or wage theft. Just another broken international law on the pile against Nijisanji.


#1, RE: Ex NIJI vtubers and tax problems
Posted by Nova Floresca on May-01-24 at 09:37 AM
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At this point, I feel like VShojo or somebody should do a group of charity relay streams, but to pay for either a class-action lawsuit against Niji or possibly just hiring some leg-breakers to haul Niji management into the back lot and give them a remedial education on ethical business practices.

how soon before we get to the part of the dystopian future where we can crowdfund mercenaries to stick it to The Man™?
"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."


#2, RE: Ex NIJI vtubers and tax problems
Posted by Spectrum on May-02-24 at 01:47 AM
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Loathe as I am to defend them, Doki's problem is that she's legitimately overambitious and not great with money. She made zero profit, sure, but she pulled in 200k that year. She loves her community a little too much and arguably needed to just not do so many projects from a money aspect. Should the black company have supported her better? Absolutely. But this one had at least one lever under her control.

Michi's issue, on the other hand, smells like all sorts of fuckery. Yes, you can say she needed to be better educated about the difference between the Indo equivalent of a W-2 vs 1099 and her tax burden, but that the black company had a line item on her paystub for tax withholding would have been very misleading, nevermind potentially some form of illegal wage theft or breach of contract on their end.


#3, RE: Ex NIJI vtubers and tax problems
Posted by Kendra Kirai on May-02-24 at 03:07 AM
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Well the thing I was thinking with Doki is the thing with Mochi there - suddenly hit with 'hey, you haven't paid your taxes in two years, so here's your taxes, plus penalties, plus interest, fuck you, pay us.'

But instead of Mochi, who got hit with MASSIVE interest that was like 150% what she owed, and more than she had saved up in total, maybe Doki actually had some savings after things, or wasn't hit with as much interest or something. Speculation, anyway.

And then there's Kuro's mess, where he ended up MASSIVELY in debt because of tax stuff.


#4, RE: Ex NIJI vtubers and tax problems
Posted by ImpulsiveAlexia on May-05-24 at 00:33 AM
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>She loves her
>community a little too much and arguably needed to just not do so many
>projects from a money aspect.

Wasn't some of that supposed to be things that Niji had agreed to pay for and then didn't though? Like, I'm not clear on all the details, but I don't see how 'Niji didn't pay these artists, so I did' would make any sense unless Niji was actually supposed to have been the one paying.

Still not the same situation of course, but it doesn't exactly sound -not- like 'Talent money used to pay agency debts'.

-IA.

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#5, RE: Ex NIJI vtubers and tax problems
Posted by Proginoskes on May-07-24 at 00:49 AM
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Yikes. Here is demonstrated an actual benefit to Canada's annual paper-wasting exercise, I guess. The withholding of taxes and CPP contributions and suchlike is not just standard practice but legally mandated for employers over a certain size*, but everyone is required to personally file their taxes every year anyway. A Canadian company trying to pull this kind of scam would get exposed within one and a third years at most (for at most one year's worth of taxes; the filing deadline for a year is the end of the following April), and would be treated as the company defrauding the government, not the employee failing to pay taxes.

*: Companies can dodge this (and even avoid having to pay an hourly wage) by "hiring" people as contractors rather than employees, but this is extremely transparent and doesn't leave any further chicanery open: employees get taxes withheld, contractors don't, end of story.


#6, RE: Ex NIJI vtubers and tax problems
Posted by Kendra Kirai on May-07-24 at 05:25 AM
In response to message #5
And we've already had the whole 'Is she a contractor or an employee' investigation. :)