(I wasn't sure whether to stick this here, or in UF Source Material, or in the thread for Vocaloid Variations.)

It occurs to me that a potentially useful/interesting way to start including VTubers and such in UF is to make COVER corp. part of the Concert Vocaloid Consortium, involved in the import and adaptation-for-Earth of the Salusian holographic telepresence rigs. The same technological advantage that led to an early Vocaloid Version 6 could easily lead to COVER being founded a few years earlier.

It's my understanding that hiring Tokino Sora was originally (in part) a publicity stunt/tech demo for COVER's original primary business, VR/AR and real-time motion-capture software. That original business of providing the tools of a VTuber is why I thought they'd be a decent fit for the CVC.

Alternatively, maybe COVER gets founded at the same time as OTL, but skips directly to "VTuber Idol Agency", approaching Hatsune Heavy Industries for the technology to do so. Heck, HHI would probably be happy to provide tech to any agency or indie.

Either way (but especially the second), there's now an excuse to have VTubers as VTubers, rather than whatever their lore says they are. (Sometimes the lore is at odds with their demonstrated personality, as with Sakamata Chloe. Sometimes it's basically absent, as with Laimu. "Conveniently, in real life I also do these things, so this has been a very easy character for me to play.")

... Of course, after writing all that up, it occurs to me that not leaning into the lore might veer a little too close to RPF for Eyrie's tastes.

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They're just weirdos who stream on the side. Calli is an actual Shinigami working out of Tomodachi, Gura's an actual Atlantean exile, Ina actually found a book that changed her life, Amelia's actually a salty little gremlin, etc. :3

Fantasy's almost certainly out of Cephiro...

HoloX being nominally at odds with ACROSS, but absolutely nobody takes them seriously.

Council being essentially the Titans of myth reborn might be an interesting take on things~

Advent being 'criminals' on parole from the other realms...

We could ACTUALLY see Subaru as a sports club manager! That was supposed to be Her Thing!

obviously some would probably just be girls who want to sing, maybe inspired by the Vocaloids - Sora, Suisei...uh.....my mind is blanking on half of the girls now.

Anyway, point is, I think just making them streamers who, hey, just so happen to also be vampires, of phoenixes, or the embodiment of Time, or witches, or Marine could be more interesting to me, personally, just in concept, but I've been surprised before by directions things have gone~

EDIT: Only after like eleven hours did I realize this may have come off as dismissive of your ideas, and I apologize, it wasn't intentional.

>obviously some would probably just be girls who want to sing, maybe
>inspired by the Vocaloids - Sora, Suisei...uh.....my mind is blanking
>on half of the girls now.

Suisei had to axe-murder her way out of the Earth Alliance in order to keep being an idol and took AZKi and Miko with her.

Suddenly, you see a dismembered arm clutching a red lightsaber come flying down a hallway, followed a moment later by a severed head, its features frozen in shock.

"Looks like we figured out where Suisei's at . . . "

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

>Suddenly, you see a dismembered arm clutching a red lightsaber come
>flying down a hallway, followed a moment later by a severed head, its
>features frozen in shock.
>
>"Looks like we figured out where Suisei's at . . . "

This gives me similar vibes to the pickup scene in Twister:

"Where's my truck?"

CRASH

"There it is."

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I was reminded that AZKi has a lightsaber, so she can hold her own on the escape also.

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>I was reminded that AZKi has a lightsaber, so she can hold her own on the escape also.

The shock baton may also come in handy, depending on the circumstances.

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>They're just weirdos who stream on the side. Calli is an actual
>Shinigami working out of Tomodachi, Gura's an actual Atlantean exile,
>Ina actually found a book that changed her life, Amelia's actually a
>salty little gremlin, etc. :3

Don't forget the bubbly yet mysterious CEO of a fried chicken empire who keeps reappearing perfectly okay after multiple reported "deaths."

>Fantasy's almost certainly out of Cephiro...

Sort of like the image of the Fantasy girls as the mismatched crew of the "dreaded" space pirate Houshou Marine, who has absolutely no idea how she ended up with a "moon rabbit," an elf, a knight with the strength of a gorilla, and a cutting board on her ship.

>HoloX being nominally at odds with ACROSS, but absolutely nobody takes
>them seriously.

The dark and mysterious group of supervillains...who are really just students at Harkness Street High School whose administrators tolerate because operating out of the school allows them to monitor the insanity.

>Council being essentially the Titans of myth reborn might be an
>interesting take on things~

Yeah, the Council girls (and IRyS) are exactly what they claim to be: physical manifestations of universal concepts that operate outside the boundaries of the existing pantheon of gods and demi-gods...yet seem content to walk amongst the mortals because the whole "phenomenal cosmic powers" biz gets boring after awhile.

As a side note, Bae and Eris are not the same person, but they do shop at the same stores.

>Advent being 'criminals' on parole from the other realms...

Each are basically (as TVTropes would dub them) "boxed crooks," i.e. all on a form of work release after they managed to break out of Asgard's custody and scatter to the winds.

Shiori works at the BPRD as the Head Archivist, a job that suits her fine since it allows her access to all sorts of books and tomes that she couldn't find anywhere else. Amusingly, she also has a lifetime ban from Strangefate Books.

Nerissa was hired by a Tomodachi recording studio...as an audioholo narrator, as while she's not barred from singing, it causes fewer headaches for management after her first attempts at recording had some "unfortunate" results.

Bijou "works" as the official assistant/traveling companion of Kaela Kovalskia, a Tesladyne Action Scientist who's on a semi-official mission to "collect mineral samples" but really is just wandering wherever the winds take her.

And the Abyssguard twins ended up (through methods unknown) working as bouncers for Club Yasen, though they spend more time with the various patrons than they do actually guarding the doors.

>We could ACTUALLY see Subaru as a sports club manager! That was
>supposed to be Her Thing!

Manager of a Tomodachi MMA club that actually made the regional finals last year, though she wasn't too thrilled when her top fighter chose to mark the occasion by doing the team's unofficial "Shuba Duck" dance.

> Yeah, the Council girls (and IRyS) are exactly what they claim to
> be: physical manifestations of universal concepts that operate
> outside the boundaries of the existing pantheon of gods and
> demi-gods...yet seem content to walk amongst the mortals because
> the whole "phenomenal cosmic powers" biz gets boring after awhile.

IRyS is a newbie half-angel under Urd who's been sent to keep an eye on them, but gets caught up in the madness instead. She spent a lot of time in a box that recently got opened and isn't used to mortals yet.

Watame is a Santovaskan

Botan and Okayu are obviously Salusians. ...I forget if they all have tails or just the royals in UF...

Korone and Mio are Sirians. (I remember that Rita and Runt short!)

Kanata is an angel under Belldandy who got sent away because she keeps breaking the everything in Asgard.

Most of Hololive are really exactly what they seem to be too; Towa's a minor demon who's really bad at her job of evilness, Choco's a succubus who thinks being naughty is much more fun than being evil, Shion's a witch, Luna's a princess of some backwater near-rim kingdom or other, Roboco's probably a Boomer - Or maybe her real name is R. Obo Ko and she's like Dorothy!

The idea of Suisei dragging AZKi and Miko out of the Earth Alliance with her is amazing :D

Sora and A-Chan are probably out of Tomodachi. ...God, would Nene be an Algol native? With her penchant for beetles...(Am I remembering Algol right? I know they're the Phantasy Star/Photon weapons..)

>As a side note, Bae and Eris are not the same person, but they
>do shop at the same stores.

Some people think she's Eris and Zoner's daughter, which sort of glides past the fact that she's far older than the Greek pantheon, let alone a guy from upstate New York. :)

>>Advent being 'criminals' on parole from the other realms...
>
>Each are basically (as TVTropes would dub them) "boxed crooks," i.e.
>all on a form of work release after they managed to break out of
>Asgard's custody and scatter to the winds.

I don't remember if it's ever been specified who locked them up; three of them are demons, so it's entirely possible that they're criminals by infernal standards, which could mean they're perfectly solid citizens in Midgard. :)

>Amusingly, she also has a lifetime ban from Strangefate Books.

Not because of any particular disagreement with the management, it's just that she has an unfortunate habit of mumbling aloud while reading, which doesn't play well with many of the books they have there.

>Nerissa

"If you're a demon, why do you sound like you're from the north?"

"Lots of demiplanes have a north!"

>Bijou "works" as the official assistant/traveling companion of Kaela
>Kovalskia, a Tesladyne Action Scientist who's on a semi-official
>mission to "collect mineral samples" but really is just wandering
>wherever the winds take her.

I feel like we should be able to do something with Kaela's alleged background as a smith. With that name, it's entirely possible that she's from the part of Alfheim that's the background of Slavic folklore (which is basically just the setting from the Witcher novels). :)

>And the Abyssguard twins ended up (through methods unknown) working as
>bouncers for Club Yasen, though they spend more time with the various
>patrons than they do actually guarding the doors.

EXT. NIGHT - Street of the Bards in New Yokosuka, Asgard. Muffled music pumps out from the interiors of the several well-lit nightclubs that lie along this stretch of street, but no pedestrians are in evidence. An armored Valkyrie pulls her motorcycle to the curb and dismounts. When she removes her helmet, we see she's VIGDIS BRIGHTBLADE. She puts her helmet down on the saddle of her bike and walks slowly up the street toward one of the clubs.

She has little choice but to do this slowly, because the street and sidewalk are choked with broken weapons, expended cartridge cases and powergun enercells, mangled shields and pieces of armor... and bodies, many of them in advanced states of disassembly. VIGDIS picks her way carefully among them, trying her best not to step on or in anything.

As she advances toward the neon-lit frontage of Club Yasen, the comm unit in her armor crackles and speaks.

BRYNHILDR SILVERSPEAR
(radio voice)
Vee. What's it look like down there?

VIGDIS raises a hand to her ear.

VIGDIS
It's just like the call said. Ulfhednar. Looks like at least a company. I'm guessing it's the standard thing--bunch of Wolfcoats got liquored up and decided to raid one of the nightclubs down here. Show the rave kids the "true" purpose of Valhalla.

BRYNHILDR
The tip we got sounded like it didn't go too well for them.

VIGDIS crouches to examine one of the berserkers, who looks like he got hit by a truckload of chain saws. She's about to agree when a noise catches her ear; cocking her head, she straightens and turns toward Club Yasen. Sure enough, there are sounds coming from the dark alley to one side of the club building. VIGDIS listens harder, then nods to herself.

VIGDIS
Isn't going.

BRYNHILDR
Say again?

VIGDIS
It isn't going too well for them. Sounds like the party's moved to the back. Wait one while I check it out.

BRYNHILDR
Be careful.

VIGDIS
Always.

Loosening her silver sword in its scabbard, VIGDIS enters the alley.

Cut to her POV: The alley is dark, but there's light coming from a service lamp attached to the side of the building, and from around the corner up ahead, where the alley is joined by a second, perpendicular one that cuts across the back of the nightclub. The shadows on the far wall are flickering crazily, and now that we're closer we can hear the sound of EXTREME VIOLENCE in progress.

Wider shot: Suddenly a WOLFCOAT BERSERKER rounds the corner and half-runs, half-staggers toward VIGDIS. For an instant VIGDIS tenses, assuming he's charging her, but then she notices that his armor is in shambles, his face crossed by three bloody slashes that narrowly missed one eye. His bearded visage is wild with terror, not fury.

WOLFCOAT
Run! For the love of Freyja, woman, fly! They're insane--

Before he can get halfway to VIGDIS, the WOLFCOAT is intercepted by a hulking white CREATURE that rounds the corner behind him and then catches up with him in two swift, feral bounds. He screams piteously as it leaps on hims from behind. Huge, brutal claws flash metallic pink in the light from the service lamp as the CREATURE's weight and momentum crush the WOLFCOAT to the ground, one hand around his neck. When the CREATURE speaks, its voice is a guttural snarl, barely recognizable as speech.

CREATURE
Where d'you think you're going, haeh?

Without waiting for an answer, the CREATURE strikes, driving a fatal blow into the WOLFCOAT's back with the claws of its free hand. Then, rising, it turns and springs back to the cross alley, leaving VIGDIS blinking in bemusement at the dead man sprawled before her.

By the time she rounds the corner, all is quiet. The cross alley, like the street out front, is strewn with the remains of a WOLFCOAT company, weapons and shields destroyed, bodies savagely mauled. The CREATURE that VIGDIS just saw is standing by the rear door of Club Yasen, and as the Valkyrie approachs, a second, very similar-looking one rises from the ground, letting what remains of another WOLFCOAT fall as it does so.

Now that they're standing still in better light, we can see that they're part-humanoid, part-canid--like werewolves, but slightly more finely built than the lycan norm, for all that they're still huge and heavily muscled by human standards--with shaggy fur that might be white or pale blonde under the spatters and streaks of blood that currently decorate them. The one standing in the middle of the alley is a tiny bit bigger than the one by the door, and its claws gleam blue through their coating of WOLFCOAT blood.

VIGDIS stands surveying the scene for a moment; the two CREATURES gaze back at her in silence, then begin to shift shape, shrinking and smoothing until their aspect is almost completely changed. Now, apart from the upright doglike ears that jut from their blonde hair, they appear entirely human, but still much alike: a couple of teenage-looking girls dressed in mostly white clothes with bulky black parkas and chunky sneakers. It's a personal style that is far less out of place in this part of town than werewolves.

Sighing and returning her sword fully to its sheath, VIGDIS looks first at the short-haired, blue-eyed one standing with arms folded by the door, then the long-haired, pink-eyed one in the middle of the alley.

VIGDIS
Mococo. Fuwawa. What the hell are you two doing?

MOCOCO smiles, a little archly, but says nothing.

Maintaining eye contact with the Valkyrie, FUWAWA wipes blood from her mouth with the back of her hand, then angles a thumb toward the still-pulsating nightclub, the patrons of which are evidently completely unaware of the carnage that's just gone down outside.

FUWAWA
(matter-of-factly)
Protecting smiles.

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>Some people think she's Eris and Zoner's daughter, which sort of
>glides past the fact that she's far older than the Greek pantheon, let
>alone a guy from upstate New York. :)

It doesn't help that, being the manifestation of chaos and all that it entails, she loves trolling people by glomping onto Zoner whenever their paths meet and calling him "Papa" loud enough for others to hear.

>I don't remember if it's ever been specified who locked them
>up; three of them are demons, so it's entirely possible that they're
>criminals by infernal standards, which could mean they're
>perfectly solid citizens in Midgard. :)

The bios of the twins and Nerissa use the word "god," so I defaulted to the idea that Odin decided (or had his arm twisted by Frigg) that locking the lot of them away was an act of kindness.

>>Amusingly, she also has a lifetime ban from Strangefate Books.
>
>Not because of any particular disagreement with the management, it's
>just that she has an unfortunate habit of mumbling aloud while
>reading, which doesn't play well with many of the books they have
>there.

Jason was willing to tolerate the poltergeist because it had good taste in music and even the fire imp had it uses once he tamed it, but the banshee keeping him up for a week was the final straw.

>>Nerissa
>
>"If you're a demon, why do you sound like you're from the north?"
>
>"Lots of demiplanes have a north!"

All with something called a "hot dish" and things called "salads" that do not contain even a single leaf of lettuce.

>I feel like we should be able to do something with Kaela's alleged
>background as a smith. With that name, it's entirely possible that
>she's from the part of Alfheim that's the background of Slavic
>folklore (which is basically just the setting from the Witcher
>novels). :)

My original idea was making her a weapon-smith for the Valkyries, with the explanation for how she and Biboo met up being that she insists on sourcing her own materials and ran across our favorite living gem during one of those times when she "delved too greedily and too deep." How Biboo got there from her spot in the cells of Asgard is a mystery, much like how the rain shaman from Cephiro ended up crashing on Calli's couch.

>FUWAWA
>(matter-of-factly)
>Protecting smiles.

I'd considered adding something to the effect of "Management only tolerates them because they're very good girls."

>>Some people think she's Eris and Zoner's daughter, which sort of
>>glides past the fact that she's far older than the Greek pantheon, let
>>alone a guy from upstate New York. :)
>
>It doesn't help that, being the manifestation of chaos and all that it
>entails, she loves trolling people by glomping onto Zoner whenever
>their paths meet and calling him "Papa" loud enough for others to
>hear.

Well clearly she's the daughter of the other Eris, namely the bratty, bitchy, gun-toting maniac from Hades 2. Yes, Bisexual Awakenings The Video Game got a sequel and it's in early access (and really bloody good). Eris in that game is a viciously charismatic little embodiment-of-gremlinicity and fits perfectly with the Bae Vibe. If Bae was meaner. And had a crew cut. And an automatic rifle built by the goddess Hestia for a bet.

Why do I believe this? Well, because there's only so many syllables in the world, and also because it's fun to dump another pair of purple old man underpants in the community luau soup that is Undocumented Features.

Also that gives the opportunity to put the Hades I and II casts in UF and frankly I'm amazed it hasn't happened already =]

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FiMFiction.net: we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have standards.

Also Aphrodite in both her forms would straight up kill most of the Strike Witches dead of gay

> How Biboo got there from her spot in the cells of Asgard is a
>mystery,

The author would need to fill in the between, but I've always been a fan of this interpretation of the part Biboo played in escaping the jail.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."

>The shadows on the
>far wall are flickering crazily, and now that we're closer we can hear
>the sound of EXTREME VIOLENCE in progress.

Awww, you forgot the music cue: EXTREME VIOLENCE

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>It occurs to me that a potentially useful/interesting way to start
>including VTubers and such in UF is to make COVER corp. part of the
>Concert Vocaloid Consortium, involved in the import and
>adaptation-for-Earth of the Salusian holographic telepresence rigs.

Y'know, I think you're right; if I were writing the first VV today, that would almost certainly be how I played it. Pre-Holo COVER would fit perfectly as the fourth leg of the Consortium:

- Crypton: IP and community outreach
- SEGA: audiovisual design
- Yamaha: posi core systems and network
- COVER: telepresence and holography

>there's now an excuse to have
>VTubers as VTubers, rather than whatever their lore says they
>are. (Sometimes the lore is at odds with their demonstrated
>personality, as with Sakamata Chloe. Sometimes it's basically absent,
>as with Laimu. "Conveniently,
>in real life I also do these things, so this has been a very easy
>character for me to play.")
>
>... Of course, after writing all that up, it occurs to me that
>not leaning into the lore might veer a little too close to
>RPF for Eyrie's tastes.

I mean, it's entirely possible that someone may turn up one of these days who works as a vtuber, whose actual and online personae are both fictional, while those who actually exist IRL only appear as their characters, if that makes any sense. That would avoid the problem entirely!

Come to think of it, characters who only appear as anonymized virtual presences aren't unknown in UF, but they're usually doing it because they're shadowrunners, not entertainers. :)

Fun fact, brought to mind by the above: I've wanted to include a Golden Age WDF cybersecurity operative who only ever appeared as a virtual entity (username gh0st_rider, so you can guess what his avatar looks like :) for decades now, but never managed to work him in anywhere, as far as I can recall.

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>I mean, it's entirely possible that someone may turn up one of these
>days who works as a vtuber, whose actual and online personae are both
>fictional, while those who actually exist IRL only appear as their
>characters, if that makes any sense. That would avoid the problem
>entirely!

Makes perfect sense to me, especially combined with Kendra Kirai's suggestion that some IRL VTubers are either un-mocapped livestreamers or VTubers with models that are very closely based on themselves.

EDIT: I was going to bring up Kureiji Ollie as ideal for the "this VTuber is just a livestreamer" treatment, but then I thought to take a look at her official profile and it turns out that COVER actually beat us to "there's no difference between the character and the talent": "being a VTuber" is already part of her official lore. (The Frankensteinian patchwork aesthetic is presumably artistic license, because she's supposed to be a self-risen zombie like Reg Shoe.) Second, belated edit: that isn't actually that unusual, but most supernatural Holomems have a reason for vtubing connected to their nature.† For Ollie, it's just her perfectly mundane choice of career.

†: In Myth alone, we have Calli (being a VTuber herself gives her a claim on souls that died of the cuteness of VTuber shenanigans) and Ina (it gives her a platform to inflict SAN checks on a wider audience). Amelia kind of fits this category despite being a mundane human (the time travel isn't mentioned; the best way to learn about the members of a culture is to participate in it), and Kiara's kind of like Ollie, but their profiles both say "idol" without mentioning vtubing directly.

>Second, belated edit: that isn't actually that unusual, but most
>supernatural Holomems have a reason for vtubing connected to their
>nature.

Yeah, there are a lot of bios on Hololive's talent pages that explain a character's supernatural, extraterrestrial, or otherwise outré backstory, and then conclude, "So she became a{ vtuber|n idol}," as if that just logically followed from what came before, regardless of how huge a non sequitur it is. :)

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>>Second, belated edit: that isn't actually that unusual, but most
>>supernatural Holomems have a reason for vtubing connected to their
>>nature.
>
>Yeah, there are a lot of bios on Hololive's talent pages that explain
>a character's supernatural, extraterrestrial, or otherwise
>outré backstory, and then conclude, "So she became a{ vtuber|n
>idol}," as if that just logically followed from what came before,
>regardless of how huge a non sequitur it is. :)

A lot of them make a kind of second-order sense, in that it's believable that they might come up with the idea and then not sufficiently question it before carrying it out, but yeah, there are definitely a few that made me go "you cain't get theah from heah". Kiara's bio is unusual and refreshing in that it skips that question entirely: the first two words are "An idol". How did a resurrecting firebird come to be an idol? Not important!

As I remember it, TECHNICALLY, Amelia being a time traveler is entirely on-the-spot stuff, she's supposed to just be a detective who's looking into all these weirdos, but then she improv'd an answer for a question about her pocketwatch during her debut stream and the rest is history. :D

Kiara's reasoning was, as I recall, that she wanted to become the Olympic Flame but was rejected, so she decided the next best thing was to become a vtuber idol. As you do. (I mean, it makes sense, as an immortal being of infinite resurrection, she's probably pretty much done everything she's found interesting.)

According to her lore video, Gura just had nothing to do and got prompted by IRyS to look at a Hololive recruiting poster. Which certainly fits her personality of being distracted by shiny smily story objects.

I feel a little silly making this a separate reply instead of adding it to my most recent edit of my existing one, but it's a separate topic.

>Y'know, I think you're right; if I were writing the first VV today,
>that would almost certainly be how I played it. Pre-Holo COVER would
>fit perfectly as the fourth leg of the Consortium:
>
>- Crypton: IP and community outreach
>- SEGA: audiovisual design
>- Yamaha: posi core systems and network
>- COVER: telepresence and holography

It took me this long to realise that I never directly addressed this, but I was actually thinking you still could do this. It'd be weird that COVER never got mentioned in the first VV, but I don't think it'd actually contradict anything if you just started treating it like it had always been there. (I could very easily be forgetting a phrase like "the three members of the Consortium", though.)

>>Y'know, I think you're right; if I were writing the first VV today,
>>that would almost certainly be how I played it.
>
>It took me this long to realise that I never directly addressed this,
>but I was actually thinking you still could do this.

Oh, sure, and I probably will, if and when we happen to revisit the era where it's relevant. I don't think I ever said exactly how many members the Consortium had in the first place, so that should be fine.

Retrospectively, it'll seem a bit weird that they weren't mentioned in VV1, since the holography systems are so key to so many scenes (e.g., the one explaining how the Vocaloids can have the run of Consortium HQ while they're awaiting the results of their Turing Board petition), but It Hadn't Been Invented Yet is well-established as a viable defense for that kind of thing around here already. :)

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Wasn't the holography stuff already established as part of Sega's domain?

Like, it's a neat idea and I'm not one to knock slotting something cool into an empty slot, I just wasn't under the impression that this one *was*.

-IA.

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>Wasn't the holography stuff already established as part of Sega's
>domain?

Oh, probably. I think at least the AV techs working on Meiko's projection rig in that one scene were described as Sega veterans.

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-08-24 AT 02:40 PM (EDT)
 
I say this with absolutely no offense meant to Gryphon, but as I've said to someone else who follows Eyrie, I was pretty sure that if story output hadn't stopped then it would probably have been inevitable for VTubers to have made an appearance in official fiction some time within the last 2 years.

Much like Korra, K-ON, Strike Witches, Vocaloid, KanColle, Touhou etc it seems to have been another one of those things that everyone collectively decides they love and it becomes the fixation of official Eyrie fic for the next year or so.

Imagine Utena saving Dokibird and Mint from the dark black-ops bases of Nijisanji, a cover corp for psy-cops.

>it would probably have been
>inevitable for VTubers to have made an appearance in official fiction
>some time within the last 2 years.
>
>Much like Korra, K-ON, Strike Witches, Vocaloid, KanColle, etc etc it
>seems to have been another one of those things that everyone
>collectively decides they love and it becomes the fixation of official
>Eyrie fic for the next year or so.

You're probably right, inasmuch as that's more or less how it's always worked; it is one of the many cursed ways in which my brain works. (Although in this case it couldn't have happened in the last two years, since I wasn't into the vtuber scene at all before last August.)

That said, if and when I ever manage to unjam the machinery, there's so much piled up behind the blockage that it may be a bit muddled for a while. :)

--G.
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Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
zgryphon at that email service Google has
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

I realize this is digging back a ways, but the Just Bugging Me is continuing to bug me, so...

>You're probably right, inasmuch as that's more or less how it's
>always worked; it is one of the many cursed ways in which my
>brain works. (Although in this case it couldn't have happened in the
>last two years, since I wasn't into the vtuber scene at all
>before last August.)

This part kinda just sounds... normal to me? Of course when someone does an ongoing megacrossover it's going to accrete elements from new things they get interested in. And even for those of us without the megacrossover part, it's not exactly weird that I started writing DDLC stories after getting into DDLC, or for that matter the timing of my one dip into Vocoloid material. Especially since I, uh, kinda borrowed 'Vocoloid 6' as a plot enabler. Basic causality stuff here.

On the other hand, some of those things that were listed are not exactly the latest new things, at least as far as the general fandom space is concerned. K-On had been out for years before appearing here. Touhou has been ongoing for longer than some Touhou fic authors have been alive. (In fact, I would not be entirely surprised to find that I've been mostly -out- of the Touhou fandom longer than some Touhou fic authors have been alive.) Korra, sure, that was contemporary, but... And you said it yourself about vtubers.

Well, maybe one can call you an own-personal-tastes chaser, not that it's much of an accusation, but I can't abide suggesting you're a trend-chaser.

-IA.

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>On the other hand, some of those things that were listed are not
>exactly the latest new things, at least as far as the general fandom
>space is concerned. K-On had been out for years before appearing here.
>Touhou has been ongoing for longer than some Touhou fic authors have
>been alive.

Well behind the curve, that's me! :)

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor-in-Chief, & Forum Mod
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
zgryphon at that email service Google has
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

And my thought was that VTubers are virtual tubers: aliens from a planet of basically sapient potatoes who, post-contact, use holographic avatars to interact with the non-vegetable life of the galaxy.

Random late night musing: In the UF-verse, Kronii and The Doctor are old friends...in the sense that he runs into her at least once every regeneration and every time he tries to pretend they've never met before. It hardly ever works (the 7th Doctor was the most convincing), but she always plays along for at least a little while.