Lovely, lovely bile. I identify strongly with it. You have succinctly raved about the primary reason I'm not in school today. That's right, kids. I didn't fail out. I didn't get kicked out for horrible things. My paperwork was lost. Bastards. Bast-iddly-astards.

I just felt the need to say "you're not alone, Gryph." In my experience, misery does *not* love company, but you've got it anyway, editor man.

Mike Thedford
Dark Nation
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-13-02 AT 05:52 PM (EST)

>Lovely, lovely bile. I identify strongly with it. You have succinctly
>raved about the primary reason I'm not in school today. That's right,
>kids. I didn't fail out. I didn't get kicked out for horrible things.
>My paperwork was lost. Bastards. Bast-iddly-astards.

Indeed, that describes quite well the kind of red tape I'll be facing if I end up going back to school. It's a maddening circus that just plain pisses me off whenever I attempt to just gather information about it, never mind actually trying to do something.

Makes me wish I'd win the lottery or something and be able to sidestep all of it. Hell, the universities of the UNC network would probably have me going to a public university even if I could afford a private college -- the state schools in the Connecticut State University system were not pleasant experiences for me, but the UNC schools have interesting programs, and the UNC Chapel Hill campus is as pretty as a lot of private schools I've seen. (Though Duke remains one of the prettiest schools I've ever seen.)

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>Indeed, that describes quite well the kind of red tape I'll be facing
>if I end up going back to school. It's a maddening circus that just
>plain pisses me off whenever I attempt to just gather information
>about it, never mind actually trying to do something.

Oh, it gets better. I did manage to get them to acknowledge that I had sent them the form and could they please start the review - only now they're saying the review process itself will take six weeks, not the previously advertised two, after which the recall itself, if they grant one, will still take 90 days.

>(Though Duke remains one of the
>prettiest schools I've ever seen.)

... when it's not covered in passed-out basketball fans, burning cars and vomited-up cheap beer.

Noooooooo thank you. I'm actually glad Maine's basketball teams never accomplish anything. The hockey teams do, sure, but hockey fans aren't quite as... what's the word I'm groping for? Subhuman, perhaps... as hoop fans.

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>... when it's not covered in passed-out basketball fans, burning cars
>and vomited-up cheap beer.

Oh, it's not that bad. My ex-girlfriend is a Duke student and Blue Devils fan; I visited her there a couple of times before the basketball season started, and it's absolutely gorgeous, all Gothic and old, big stone. Even the newer buildings, which, on the interior, are plainly recent construction, manage to keep that antiquated feeling.

>Noooooooo thank you. I'm actually glad Maine's basketball
>teams never accomplish anything. The hockey teams do, sure, but
>hockey fans aren't quite as... what's the word I'm groping for?
>Subhuman, perhaps... as hoop fans.

Any well-publicized sport tends to inspire riots, I think. Outside of the United States, soccer is the most popular sport on Earth, and the rabidity it inspires, particularly in South America and Europe, is downright frightening. In this country, where soccer is slightly less popular than hockey (and, ironically, I think women's soccer is going to prove the more profitable, because of the way they're doing things), the fans are downright civilized compared to football, baseball, or basketball fans.

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>Any well-publicized sport tends to inspire riots, I think.
>Outside of the United States, soccer is the most popular sport
>on Earth, and the rabidity it inspires, particularly in South America
>and Europe, is downright frightening.

See, for instance, the 1969 Soccer War between El Salvador and Honduras, when the countries went to war over the result of a soccer match.

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Jonathan Lennox
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>See, for instance, the 1969 Soccer War between El Salvador and
>Honduras, when the countries went to war over the result of a soccer
>match.

Wow.... And I thought most wars were fought over land, religon and Who killed who.

Pattrick

>>See, for instance, the 1969 Soccer War between El Salvador and
>>Honduras, when the countries went to war over the result of a soccer
>>match.
>
>Wow.... And I thought most wars were fought over land, religon and Who
>killed who.

In Latin America, soccer is religion. No joke.

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>>>See, for instance, the 1969 Soccer War between El Salvador and
>>>Honduras, when the countries went to war over the result of a soccer
>>>match.
>>
>>Wow.... And I thought most wars were fought over land, religon and Who
>>killed who.
>
>In Latin America, soccer is religion. No joke.

In all honesty, you can also put Europe in that category.

-- Sean --
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>>>>See, for instance, the 1969 Soccer War between El Salvador and
>>>>Honduras, when the countries went to war over the result of a soccer
>>>>match.
>>>
>>>Wow.... And I thought most wars were fought over land, religon and Who
>>>killed who.
>>
>>In Latin America, soccer is religion. No joke.
>
>In all honesty, you can also put Europe in that category.
>

*looks up from a list with the headline "The 10 best ways to kill Ronaldo"* Um... I didn't get that last part. What did you say again? ^_^;

>>>>>See, for instance, the 1969 Soccer War between El Salvador and
>>>>>Honduras, when the countries went to war over the result of a soccer
>>>>>match.
>>>>
>>>>Wow.... And I thought most wars were fought over land, religon and Who
>>>>killed who.
>>>
>>>In Latin America, soccer is religion. No joke.

the Saint Maradona picture I have on my desktop is proof of that.

>>In all honesty, you can also put Europe in that category.
>
>*looks up from a list with the headline "The 10 best ways to kill
>Ronaldo"* Um... I didn't get that last part. What did you say again?

I said I want a copy of that list...

Pangaro, Just friendly rivalry
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>
>>*looks up from a list with the headline "The 10 best ways to kill
>>Ronaldo"* Um... I didn't get that last part. What did you say again?
>
>I said I want a copy of that list...
>

heh. perhaps a copy of the "10 best ways to kill ronaldo AND NOT
GET CAUGHT" would be better suited for your purposes..:)

>
>See, for instance, the 1969 Soccer War between El Salvador and
>Honduras, when the countries went to war over the result of a soccer
>match.
>

Okay. I think we have a winner for the award for the stupidest war in world history.

>>
>>See, for instance, the 1969 Soccer War between El Salvador and
>>Honduras, when the countries went to war over the result of a soccer
>>match.
>>
>
>Okay. I think we have a winner for the award for the stupidest war in
>world history.

Unless you count Europe's little meltdown over the assassination of the Arch-Duke Ferdinand. Given his monumental unimportance to any of the individuals involved in starting the war, as a cassus belli that's not much better than a soccer match. And I suspect the Soccer War wasn't quite as bloody.

LAST EDITED ON Mar-13-02 AT 09:13 PM (EST)

>
>Makes me wish I'd win the lottery or something and be able to sidestep
>all of it. Hell, the universities of the UNC network would probably
>have me going to a public university even if I could afford a private
>college -- the state schools in the Connecticut State University
>system were not pleasant experiences for me, but the UNC schools have
>interesting programs, and the UNC Chapel Hill campus is as pretty as a
>lot of private schools I've seen. (Though Duke remains one of the
>prettiest schools I've ever seen.)

For my own part, I went to another part of the UNC system, East Carolina University (class of 1985), and we in Greenville tended to have something of a love-hate relationship with the Big 4 (UNC-CH, NCSU, Duke and Wake Forest). ECU fans aren't particularly rabid, though we do occasionally get up to shenanigans like tearing down the goalposts at North Carolina State. We'd rather drink beer, all things considered; ECU has a long-standing reputation as a party school.

But to get things back on topic, student loans bedevil me. I'm still wrestling with paying back loans that I had to take out when I attended law school at George Washington University in Washington, DC (which had the charming habit of raising tuition EVERY SEMESTER. And for the record, my savings covered undergraduate school well enough, but then again, that was 1981-85.) In fact, I've got to write Sallie Mae a letter about that before the 27th. Basic problem is, I just don't make enough to cover all my other bills _and_ those damned student loans too. (Which kinds of brings me to a juddering halt every time I contemplate going back to school to try for another degree...)

-Joe-

P.S. For the record, I like expensive beer. And ECU's basketball team stank on ice this year.

Give me a little time....say, a couple of years....and I just might come up with an interesting signature.

>Lovely, lovely bile. I identify strongly with it. You have succinctly
>raved about the primary reason I'm not in school today. That's right,
>kids. I didn't fail out. I didn't get kicked out for horrible things.
>My paperwork was lost. Bastards. Bast-iddly-astards.

They did that to me in high school--had a major paperwork error on my records. As a result, they had somebody pull me out of a class to inform me that I was not there.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I learned in spite of my education.
--rR
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