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#0, Cute Reference
Posted by BobSchroeck on Sep-25-01 at 01:06 PM
One of the things I love about UF stories is trying to figure out all the buried or obvious references to other works. Since I lack most of the video/computer game experience and half the anime experience of the authors, this is often difficult.

In rereading "Hogtown", though, I spotted one that I thought was especially subtle and witty.

Dorothy's originally from "Kane's World"? As in "Bob Kane", perhaps? Interesting...

(And will we ever see the story of her rescue, and learn the whys and hows thereof?)

-- Bob
---------------
Please to remember
Eleven September --
Hijack, destruction and plot.
Our outraged reaction
To terrorist action
Should never be forgot.


#1, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Gryphon on Sep-25-01 at 02:25 PM
In response to message #0
>Dorothy's originally from "Kane's World"? As in "Bob Kane", perhaps?

Indeed. We've seen Kane's World once before, in an extremely short and incoherent Exile story entitled Inception.

Dorothy comes from there for a very simple reason that has to do with the similarity of the art style between Big O and a certain American-designed series which also had key episode animation by Tokyo Movie Shinsha. :)

>(And will we ever see the story of her rescue, and learn the whys and
>hows thereof?)

Maybe someday. I've started such a story, but haven't made a whole lot of progress on it.

--G.
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Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


#2, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Peter Eng on Sep-26-01 at 00:09 AM
In response to message #1
>>Dorothy's originally from "Kane's World"? As in "Bob Kane", perhaps?
>
>Indeed. We've seen Kane's World once before, in an extremely short
>and incoherent Exile story entitled Inception.
>
>
>--G.
>

The main problem is that it doesn't really make sense without at least one other story to reference against.

Personally, I always assumed that the problem lay with trying to write a story while your avatar was on drugs.

Peter Eng


#3, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Gryphon on Sep-26-01 at 00:22 AM
In response to message #2
>>>Dorothy's originally from "Kane's World"? As in "Bob Kane", perhaps?
>>
>>Indeed. We've seen Kane's World once before, in an extremely short
>>and incoherent Exile story entitled Inception.
>
>The main problem is that it doesn't really make sense without at least
>one other story to reference against.

It's a flash, a single incident in what was a much longer week. Personally, I thought the rest of it could be pretty easily glarked from context; it was very much an experiment (like several Exile stories), but given that it was written in 35 minutes, I thought it came out pretty well.

--G.
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#5, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Star Ranger4 on Sep-26-01 at 11:31 PM
In response to message #3
>It's a flash, a single incident in what was a much longer week.
>Personally, I thought the rest of it could be pretty easily glarked
>from context; it was very much an experiment (like several Exile
>stories), but given that it was written in 35 minutes, I thought it
>came out pretty well.

It did, at least to me.

Anyway, from certain data we know that Gryph passes out, target of a complex assasination attempt; on 27 Jan 2336 In new Gotham on Kanes world. In his last act of conciousness, he creates Vision, possibly Clueless' greatest creation. Vision then creates an alternate identity to shield him while he recovers; Bruce Wayne.

He is not seen again until 25 Dec 2344, enrolled in S.I.T.

What can we draw from this? Easy. From Jan 27 to sometime before his apperance again in A Winter's Day, Gryphon suffered a loss of memory similar to Noriko's in DOT: A Time to die. During that time he operated as Bruce Wayne/Batman. What is unclear is exactly how long this period lasted, and if he continued to do so after his memories restored themselves; There are, after all, basicly 9 years unaccounted for here.

Sometime after this (Possibly about 2345 is my guess, Don't ask me why) Kane's World sufferes the events described in the back-story of Big O... While not proven, given Gryphon's tendencies I'd suspect that he had more than a little to do with the creation of Big O before he left. (That and the "Cast in the name of God, ye not guilty" just seems so right for Gryphs emotional state during the exile)

However, All we can PROVE is that Gryph DID operate as Batman for an indeterminate about of time starting in 2336, ending before 25 Dec 2344.

___________________

Vaughn doesn't know I exist. I guess this explains why the rest of reality keeps ignoring me as well. >_<


#6, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Gryphon on Sep-26-01 at 11:53 PM
In response to message #5
>Sometime after this (Possibly about 2345 is my guess, Don't ask me
>why) Kane's World sufferes the events described in the back-story of
>Big O... While not proven, given Gryphon's tendencies I'd suspect
>that he had more than a little to do with the creation of Big O before
>he left. (That and the "Cast in the name of God, ye not guilty" just
>seems so right for Gryphs emotional state during the exile)

... nope. None of this paragraph is right at all. :)

--G.
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#7, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Star Ranger4 on Sep-27-01 at 00:14 AM
In response to message #6
>>Sometime after this (Possibly about 2345 is my guess, Don't ask me
>>why) Kane's World sufferes the events described in the back-story of
>>Big O... While not proven, given Gryphon's tendencies I'd suspect
>>that he had more than a little to do with the creation of Big O before
>>he left. (That and the "Cast in the name of God, ye not guilty" just
>>seems so right for Gryphs emotional state during the exile)
>
>... nope. None of this paragraph is right at all. :)

Which is why I engaged in a bit of CYA, pointing out that all we DO know, or rather infer, is that Gryph operated as Bruce Wayne/Batman for an uncertain amount of time between 2336 and 2344.


___________________

Vaughn doesn't know I exist. I guess this explains why the rest of reality keeps ignoring me as well. >_<


#4, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by BobSchroeck on Sep-26-01 at 08:08 AM
In response to message #1
>>Dorothy's originally from "Kane's World"? As in "Bob Kane", perhaps?
>Dorothy comes from there for a very simple reason that has to do with
>the similarity of the art style between Big O and a certain
>American-designed series which also had key episode animation by Tokyo
>Movie Shinsha. :)

That's pretty much what I figured, actually.

>>(And will we ever see the story of her rescue, and learn the whys and
>>hows thereof?)
>Maybe someday. I've started such a story, but haven't made a whole
>lot of progress on it.

No hurry.

Thanks.

-- Bob
---------------
Please to remember
Eleven September --
Hijack, destruction and plot.
Our outraged reaction
To terrorist action
Should never be forgot.


#8, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Wedge on Sep-27-01 at 00:23 AM
In response to message #1
>>Dorothy's originally from "Kane's World"? As in "Bob Kane", perhaps?
>
>Indeed. We've seen Kane's World once before, in an extremely short
>and incoherent Exile story entitled Inception.

Speaking of Inception, this just sparked a question that's been lurking in the back of my mind for a while:

Where was Vision during the Christmas holidays in 2404? (assuming, of course, the answer to that would not be 'telling' :)

------------------------
Chad Collier
Digital Bitch
J. Random VFX Company


#9, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Gryphon on Sep-27-01 at 00:28 AM
In response to message #8
>Where was Vision during the Christmas holidays in 2404? (assuming, of
>course, the answer to that would not be 'telling' :)

Workin'.

--G.
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Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/


#10, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Wedge on Sep-27-01 at 00:39 AM
In response to message #9
>>Where was Vision during the Christmas holidays in 2404? (assuming, of
>>course, the answer to that would not be 'telling' :)
>
>Workin'.

Poor thing. Even I don't work Christmas, and I'm an OT 'ho. :)

------------------------
Chad Collier
Digital Bitch
J. Random VFX Company


#11, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Star Ranger4 on Sep-27-01 at 09:36 PM
In response to message #10
>>>Where was Vision during the Christmas holidays in 2404? (assuming, of
>>>course, the answer to that would not be 'telling' :)
>>
>>Workin'.
>
>Poor thing. Even I don't work Christmas, and I'm an OT 'ho. :)
>

Actually, Vision almost reminds me of Athena from certain of Heinlein's books... she's working not because she has to, but because she has nothing better to do since AI's dont really do celebrations well.. no arms to unwrap presents, etc. Speaking of Heinlein, though, recalling that same grouping of books, if ANY of the AI's we've seen would eventually desire to make the jump from electrons to neurons, Vision would be the most likly choice, and the one most likely to succeed at it... IMO, of course.


___________________

Vaughn doesn't know I exist. I guess this explains why the rest of reality keeps ignoring me as well. >_<


#12, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Kitsune9tl on Sep-28-01 at 02:58 AM
In response to message #11
<Speaking of Heinlein, though,
>recalling that same grouping of books, if ANY of the AI's we've seen
>would eventually desire to make the jump from electrons to neurons,
>Vision would be the most likly choice, and the one most likely to
>succeed at it... IMO, of course.

If I remember the story of how Vision came about, and certain references to where her "code" is, her access capability, and the implied sense of humor...

Vision would be more likely to have a Doll body built, and scare the "beejeesus" out of Gryphon when she decides he needs a good shock.


#13, RE: Cute Reference
Posted by Gryphon on Sep-28-01 at 02:59 AM
In response to message #12
>Vision would be more likely to have a Doll body built, and scare the
>"beejeesus" out of Gryphon when she decides he needs a good shock.

You've an interesting definition of the verb "to scare".

:)

--G.
yum!
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