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#0, Day of Infamy
Posted by Meagen on Apr-05-09 at 04:20 PM
I know the story itself has been declared non-canon, but does that mean *nothing* that was in it will happen, or will some of the things happen for different reasons and/or in different contexts? Or should I just wait and see?

#1, RE: Day of Infamy
Posted by Gryphon on Apr-05-09 at 06:03 PM
In response to message #0
>I know the story itself has been declared non-canon, but does that
>mean *nothing* that was in it will happen, or will some of the things
>happen for different reasons and/or in different contexts? Or should I
>just wait and see?

Oh, I suspect most of what's in there will still have happened, particularly the larger historical events - e.g. the Battle of the Jörmundgandr Nebula, the Battle of Bajor, Starfleet's confrontation with the WDF at the gates of Zeta Cygni, the fall of Earth. What's liable to be different, in the main, are the details of who and how.

Mind you, that's assuming we don't get a Better Idea halfway through; but at this point that doesn't seem likely. Kris did a good job establishing the wide shot, if you will, of that year in history. It's the particulars that need adjusting.

--G.
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#2, RE: Day of Infamy
Posted by Berrik on Apr-08-09 at 01:37 PM
In response to message #1
For the record, I consider Days of Infamy to be a good read, but have always felt kinda :/ about how it seemed to more or less be a pushover victory for the good guys after the Battle of Bajor.

#3, RE: Day of Infamy
Posted by Gryphon on Apr-08-09 at 02:31 PM
In response to message #2
>For the record, I consider Days of Infamy to be a good read, but have
>always felt kinda :/ about how it seemed to more or less be a pushover
>victory for the good guys after the Battle of Bajor.

I'm not sure I really consider a several-month system-by-system campaign against Earthforce's rearguard action a pushover victory, but no, after the Battle of Bajor the war wasn't an enormously bloody one. The simultaneous losses at Bajor and the Jörmundgandr Nebula, to say nothing of the defection of the better part (qualitatively, if not quantitatively) of the officer corps, effectively broke Starfleet's back - they didn't play a significant part in the war again until the Solar invasion - and with the Galactic Alliance gaining momentum and numbers with each successive system, Earthforce didn't have the heft required to hold them back alone.

In my mind, the rolling-up of the Federation and Earth Alliance territories after Bajor was a bit like a compressed version of the Allied island-hopping campaign in the Pacific in World War II. It didn't take as long, but if you take Bajor as a sort of combination of Pearl Harbor (the start of hostilities) and Midway (arguably the point in which the Pacific campaign turned in the Allies' favor), the parallels begin to form. I guess, viewed in that light, it's sort of what would've happened if the U.S. Navy had been on the ball in '41, and the Japanese had found more of a fight waiting for them when they got to Hawaii.

Anyway, the battle sequences from the post-Bajor campaign are there to provide a flavor of what the next few months were like; they are not a comprehensive record of everything that happened during that campaign, lest you think that all they had to do from that point was take Corellia and Hoffman and then call it a day. :)

--G.
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#4, RE: Day of Infamy
Posted by Lethosos on Apr-09-09 at 06:05 PM
In response to message #3
> lest you think that all they had to do from that point was take Corellia and Hoffman and then call it a day. :)

BUT! if they did... then, yes, they'd have to call it a day just to recoup from the absurdly large losses they'd occur just to even break even.

We know Corellia and Hoffman all too well. >)


#5, RE: Day of Infamy
Posted by Prince Charon on Apr-17-09 at 10:52 PM
In response to message #0
Speaking of Day of Infamy (and not wanting to create a new topic for this request), does anyone have a copy of the original version that you'd be willing to send me? The hard-drive that I downloaded the file to died, and I'm as yet uncertain when I'll be able to get anything off of it, and how corrupted the files I'll get will be.

“They planned their campaigns just as you might make a splendid piece of harness. It looks very well; and answers very well; until it gets broken; and then you are done for. Now I made my campaigns of ropes. If anything went wrong, I tied a knot; and went on.”
-- Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington


#6, RE: Day of Infamy
Posted by jonathanlennox on Apr-18-09 at 11:36 AM
In response to message #5
The Wayback machine is your friend!

http://web.archive.org/web/20061113020534/http://www.eyrie-productions.com/UF/FI/infamy.txt


#7, RE: Day of Infamy
Posted by Gulping Again on Apr-19-09 at 04:51 PM
In response to message #6
>The Wayback machine is your friend!
>
>http://web.archive.org/web/20061113020534/http://www.eyrie-productions.com/UF/FI/infamy.txt

Yowza. That certainly is a hell of a thing. I decided to use that to cap off my archive binge. I suppose Gryph and Co.'s plan is to rewrite that so that it all works within the current canon, and then use it as the capstone for FI.


#8, RE: Day of Infamy
Posted by Gryphon on Apr-19-09 at 05:13 PM
In response to message #6
>The Wayback machine is your friend!

Unless you're trying to make revisions. Then it's an interfering old aunt who's constantly getting helpfully in the way and telling everyone the story of the time you attacked someone with a pudding cup during recess in the first grade.

--G.
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#9, RE: Day of Infamy
Posted by Prince Charon on Apr-19-09 at 11:48 PM
In response to message #6
Thank you.

“They planned their campaigns just as you might make a splendid piece of harness. It looks very well; and answers very well; until it gets broken; and then you are done for. Now I made my campaigns of ropes. If anything went wrong, I tied a knot; and went on.”
-- Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington