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#2, RE: K-On! cont'd
Posted by Soulscode on Nov-09-14 at 07:30 PM
In response to message #0
I didn't think it was worth it's own thread so here seemed most appropriate.

I came across this today and thought some here might find it interesting. A guy visited the school K-On is based on and posted a number of pictures from his trip.

http://imgur.com/a/QBAGN

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#3, RE: K-On! cont'd
Posted by Gryphon on Nov-09-14 at 07:34 PM
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IJLS "a Nodoka in the wild".

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#5, RE: K-On! cont'd
Posted by Gryphon on Nov-14-14 at 04:53 PM
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Upon further review, it occurred to me that I'm a little surprised by the interiors. I knew the school was based on a real building, but I had assumed that extended only to the outside (in much the same way that UF's World Wide Building looks, I would assume, nothing like the real one on the inside).

Also, being the sort of person I am, I find myself wishing the photographer had taken a closer look at the organ in the clubroom. I suspect from its appearance (single manual, lack of any obvious tabs or stops, no evident pedals) that it's actually a spinet piano, not a console organ at all, but I can't quite get a positive ID from it in the two shots it's visible in.

The guitars in that one shot are interesting; there's a lefty J-Bass like Mio's, naturally (though from the knobs, I suspect it's a Squier like mine), but none of the others is from the show. The white one with the tortie pickguard is a Stratoclone, as is the one with the "HTT in London" artwork; the one in between them looks like a Fender Duo-Sonic with Stratocaster knobs instead of the usual barrel-shaped kind, but I don't recognize the logo on the headstock, so it's probably also a locally-made clone of some kind. It's candy-apple red like Azusa's Mustang, and the Duo was a 3/4-scale student model like the Mustang too, so maybe it's the exhibit constructor's closest match (since a real FJ 'Stang is like a thousand dollars).

I wonder if the "HTT in London" Strat is an official product. The artwork looks pretty convincing (one doesn't usually see Azusa looking quite so forward, but hey, Japan).

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#4, RE: K-On! cont'd
Posted by Gryphon on Nov-11-14 at 02:37 AM
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Based on the canonical yearkeeping, today (November 11) would be Azusa Nakano's 22nd birthday (and Yui would be 23 in a couple of weeks, on the 27th). That's kind of an odd thought.

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#6, RE: K-On! cont'd
Posted by Silversword on Nov-25-14 at 08:07 PM
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So my copy of K-On! Houkago Live!! HD arrived yesterday (because I am a sucker for a good rhythm game anyway, let alone one with such a high known and liked song ratio going for it). Don't understand a word of the mini cutscenes, but I didn't buy it for those. :)

Anyway, mostly I bring it up because it's interesting to note a couple things. Such as, in the game's mix of "Don't Say Lazy" not only does Azusa finally have a part to play, but she gets the lead part and the solo to boot. Makes me wonder at which point Yui decided to offer that, because Azusa may make demands of her bandmates to practice, but she's never asked for the lead part. Outright refused it before, even.

~Silv'


#7, RE: K-On! cont'd
Posted by Gryphon on Nov-25-14 at 08:45 PM
In response to message #6
>Such as, in the game's mix of "Don't Say Lazy" not only does
>Azusa finally have a part to play, but she gets the lead part
>and the solo to boot. Makes me wonder at which point Yui decided to
>offer that, because Azusa may make demands of her bandmates to
>practice, but she's never asked for the lead part. Outright refused it
>before, even.

It's probably worth noting that the official tabs that came with the soundtracks reportedly sometimes get Yui and Azusa's parts backward, and it's not entirely inconceivable that the game designers did too.

However! I've long assumed (think I noted it in another thread) that, assuming Azusa rejoins the band after she graduates from high school, the two of them would eventually grow up to be sort of co-lead guitarists, sort of like Phil Collen and the late Steve Clark in the Def Leppard of the '80s. There are a few hints of same in the HTT catalog, places where Azusa's part is an awfully lead-y rhythm guitar line. (She's got a little mini-solo in the outro of the movie version of "Fuwa Fuwa Time", for instance, where she makes the song's rhythm line pay in blood for how repetitive it is. "I bought a wah pedal, you bastard! How do you like me now?!" :)

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#8, K-On! x Log Horizon: When Shows Collide
Posted by Gryphon on Nov-28-14 at 02:26 PM
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So, through a link I'm not sure I could summarize if I had to, this happened in a studio conversation:

Tangentially, there's no strength stat in Skyrim, so player characters' carry weight is calculated based on Stamina. Logically, based on that, I assume Mugi can also sprint the farthest (if not necessarily the fastest - depends on whether she's wearing heavy armor) of any of the main characters, hold a zoomed-in view in archery for the longest period of time, and carry out the most consecutive power attacks before needing to stop and let her Stamina bar recharge and/or drink one or more green potions. :)

So now I'm considering the members of Hōkago Tea Time as their Elder Tale characters. Yui's a Bard, obviously, because she can only have one interest at a time, so if someone (presumably Ritsu, who plays RPGs canonically) got her into Elder Tale she'd have to play as herself to prevent damage to her real-life skill set. Which would make the transition especially easy for her after the Apocalypse, one has to admit.

The obvious assumption would be that Mio's probably the team's healer, because she doesn't like to fight, but if she actually took the thing seriously as opposed to just rolling a character to humor Ritsu, I could see her mastering the complexities of one of the more esoteric support classes (for instance, as an Enchanter like Shiroe).

Ritsu's all about the DPS, so she'd be a Sorcerer or a Monk. Probably the latter, because she likes to hit things. This is simplistic, but then so, very often, is Ritsu's approach to recreation. :)

Mugi's slightly spacey demeanor and deceptive strength would make her a hilariously convention-breaking Assassin. She seems all nice and ditzy and cheerful, like Marielle, and you assume she's probably a Cleric like her or some other largely-non-combat class, and then you get out of line and she whips out Extermination on your ass.

Similarly, there is no question in my mind that Azusa would make the most pleasantly improbable Guardian in the game. Tiny but indestructible (particularly with Yui and Mio buffing her), and capable of making it so that you can't look away.

The maximum party size in Elder Tale is six, but I'm going to stretch a point and bump it to City of Heroes' eight so that I can get all of the "provisional members" in.

Ui's natural tendency would also be toward one of the healing/logistics classes (either Cleric or Druid, or maybe... whatever Minori's character class is, is it actually Miko or is that just a roleplaying thing, like Akatsuki being a ninja?), though, being Ui, I could see her taking an incongruous subclass (Berserker, perhaps) and making it work somehow. :)

Jun is obviously a Swashbuckler and loving it, with a full suite of Witty Quips to go along with her dual wielding and fancy light armor. The only other class in the game that would sufficiently appeal to her fondness for the dramatic gesture would be Sorcerer, and that's reserved for...

Nodoka, who would have had to be talked into playing more diligently than anybody else because she really doesn't have time for it, but who, as a Person Who Knows What She's Doing, would (once engaged) set herself the task of designing the most efficient character possible. She does this not in the spirit of petty stat-chasing, but because she has a seventh-level computer brain and that kind of thing comes naturally to her. The result, by the time they reach the level cap, is a Sorcerer build whose sheer destructive power beggars belief. Sure, she's a bit weak after the alpha, she can't do anything without a plan, and she's massively dependent on the support network provided by the others, but then Nodoka never does anything without a plan anyway, and Sorcerers were never intended to solo (right, Rudy?).

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#9, RE: K-On! x Log Horizon: When Shows Collide
Posted by Nathan on Nov-29-14 at 02:37 AM
In response to message #8
>So, through a link I'm not sure I could summarize if I had to, this
>happened in a studio conversation:
>
>
>color="black"]Tangentially, there's no strength stat in Skyrim,
>so player characters' carry weight is calculated based on Stamina.
>Logically, based on that, I assume Mugi can also sprint the farthest
>(if not necessarily the fastest - depends on whether she's wearing
>heavy armor) of any of the main characters, hold a zoomed-in view in
>archery for the longest period of time, and carry out the most
>consecutive power attacks before needing to stop and let her Stamina
>bar recharge and/or drink one or more green potions. :)

>
>So now I'm considering the members of Hōkago Tea Time as their
>Elder Tale characters. Yui's a Bard, obviously, because she
>can only have one interest at a time, so if someone (presumably Ritsu,
>who plays RPGs canonically) got her into Elder Tale she'd have
>to play as herself to prevent damage to her real-life skill set.
>Which would make the transition especially easy for her after the
>Apocalypse, one has to admit.

Since I've yet to properly sit down and watch K-On yet, despite my standing intention to, I'm going to take this moment to ask...

...Is it ever properly confirmed that she's got some sort of Attention Deficit or other? 'Cause, speaking as someone who does himself, her powers of Terrifying Hyperfocus sound very familiar.

>The obvious assumption would be that Mio's probably the team's healer,
>because she doesn't like to fight, but if she actually took the thing
>seriously as opposed to just rolling a character to humor Ritsu, I
>could see her mastering the complexities of one of the more esoteric
>support classes (for instance, as an Enchanter like Shiroe).

Given the rest of the team layout, she'd probably be stuck being the healer anyway, because Elder Tale strikes me as the kind of game where having one is only one step short of mandatory...

...But on the other hand, our main cast in canon does show that a party with a high-end Enchanter can hack it anyway.

>Ritsu's all about the DPS, so she'd be a Sorcerer or a Monk. Probably
>the latter, because she likes to hit things. This is simplistic, but
>then so, very often, is Ritsu's approach to recreation. :)

"RITSU PAAAAANCH!"

"...can't take you anywhere."

>Mugi's slightly spacey demeanor and deceptive strength would make her
>a hilariously convention-breaking Assassin. She seems all nice
>and ditzy and cheerful, like Marielle, and you assume she's probably a
>Cleric like her or some other largely-non-combat class, and then you
>get out of line and she whips out Extermination on your ass.

And also, given above points about Strength, she's probably slinging around some kind of hilariously outscale collapsing axe, like Krusty's only with the Mimbari Fighting Pike telescoping handle, just for that added little soupcon of WTF.

>Similarly, there is no question in my mind that Azusa would make the
>most pleasantly improbable Guardian in the game. Tiny but
>indestructible (particularly with Yui and Mio buffing her), and
>capable of making it so that you can't look away.

GIANT MONSTER swung a GIANT HAMMER at AZUSA!

*dink.*

It's not very effective.

>The maximum party size in Elder Tale is six, but I'm going to
>stretch a point and bump it to City of Heroes' eight so that I
>can get all of the "provisional members" in.
>
>Ui's natural tendency would also be toward one of the
>healing/logistics classes (either Cleric or Druid, or maybe...
>whatever Minori's character class is, is it actually Miko or is that
>just a roleplaying thing, like Akatsuki being a ninja?), though, being
>Ui, I could see her taking an incongruous subclass (Berserker,
>perhaps) and making it work somehow. :)

Minori's formal class name is Kannagi. Elder Tale's national servers have a habit of replacing some of the twelve 'base classes' with locally flavored equivalents; Samurai like Tohya and Souji replace Pirates, and Kannagi like Minori replace Shamans.

The Kannagi's party trick as a class seems to be shields and so on, like Forcefield Defenders from CoH, although my understanding is that Elder Tale only has Res-based mechanics, rather than FF's +Def set.

>Jun is obviously a Swashbuckler and loving it, with a full suite of
>Witty Quips to go along with her dual wielding and fancy light armor.
>The only other class in the game that would sufficiently appeal to her
>fondness for the dramatic gesture would be Sorcerer, and that's
>reserved for...

Nothing to see here but the stabbity. Moving on...

>Nodoka, who would have had to be talked into playing more diligently
>than anybody else because she really doesn't have time for it,
>but who, as a Person Who Knows What She's Doing, would (once engaged)
>set herself the task of designing the most efficient character
>possible. She does this not in the spirit of petty stat-chasing, but
>because she has a seventh-level computer brain and that kind of thing
>comes naturally to her. The result, by the time they reach the level
>cap, is a Sorcerer build whose sheer destructive power beggars belief.
> Sure, she's a bit weak after the alpha, she can't do anything without
>a plan, and she's massively dependent on the support
>network provided by the others, but then Nodoka never does anything
>without a plan anyway, and Sorcerers were never intended to solo
>(right, Rudy?).

So, fun story about Sorcerering it up.

A buddy of mind tracked down a copy of a fan-translation of the official Log Horizon RPG... and a group of us who were all fans of the show sat down to try playing it.

(I don't recommend that others do so, at least until an official translation comes out; the translation is... inconsistent.)

Anyway. I was running a Sorcerer, and got abilities to stack damage multiplication on top of elemental affinities on top of everything else I could get ahold of.

Turns out that the resulting peak damage is about four times the total health of a standard goblin, and enough to one-shot most 'standard bosses' the game gives.

Lightning is wonderful. ^_^

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#10, RE: K-On! x Log Horizon: When Shows Collide
Posted by Gryphon on Nov-29-14 at 04:05 AM
In response to message #9
LAST EDITED ON Nov-29-14 AT 04:20 AM (EST)
 
>Since I've yet to properly sit down and watch K-On yet, despite
>my standing intention to, I'm going to take this moment to ask...
>
>...Is it ever properly confirmed that she's got some sort of Attention
>Deficit or other? 'Cause, speaking as someone who does himself, her
>powers of Terrifying Hyperfocus sound very familiar.

Not as such - there's no mention of a proper medical diagnosis or any such - but it is a pretty frequently noted point of her character design that she tends to forget about everything else when she gets really into something, and frequently seems to have to drop one skill to learn another.

(When she was younger, she would also occasionally zang obsessively off into completely tangential and inexplicable projects, like a tiny tweaker. Nodoka relates an anecdote in one episode from when she and Yui were in elementary school, and Yui, for no readily evident reason, spent an entire afternoon methodically collecting crayfish from a stream near Nodoka's house and putting them in the Manabes' bathtub, until she'd filled it completely. She seems to have gotten over that kind of random weirdness by her high school years, though.)

>Given the rest of the team layout, she'd probably be stuck being the
>healer anyway, because Elder Tale strikes me as the kind of game where
>having one is only one step short of mandatory...
>
>...But on the other hand, our main cast in canon does show that
>a party with a high-end Enchanter can hack it anyway.

Well, if Ui follows the path speculated on farther down, they might have one of the "secondary healer" types, like Minori, who can heal but are better at buffing - enough so that other players frequently tell them they're Doing It Wrong because they don't have a proper h34l0r.

>And also, given above points about Strength, she's probably slinging
>around some kind of hilariously outscale collapsing axe, like
>Krusty's only with the Mimbari Fighting Pike telescoping handle, just
>for that added little soupcon of WTF.

Yeah, Mugi wouldn't be one of the subtle Assassins. (Also, now I'm picturing her making Berserker Krusty's Krazy Face. That's scary.)

>GIANT MONSTER swung a GIANT HAMMER at AZUSA!
>
>*dink.*
>
>It's not very effective.

Also: adorable in full plate armor, with a shield that would be a large shield for most characters, but is a tower shield for her. :)

(The game doesn't technically seem to have a halfling/hobbit/kender-style "tiny people" race, though the size range for regular humans is pretty broad, so maybe they just handle that like CoH did, where you could make a character who was three feet tall if you wanted to, but it had no in-game effect. Akatsuki does seem to get a dodge bonus for being tiny wee, but that could be part of the setting's ongoing "hang on, I'm an actual world now? When did this shit start?" thing. :)

>Minori's formal class name is Kannagi. Elder Tale's national servers
>have a habit of replacing some of the twelve 'base classes' with
>locally flavored equivalents; Samurai like Tohya and Souji replace
>Pirates, and Kannagi like Minori replace Shamans.

The Pirate thing is a little weird, since one would have expected that "pirate" was a roleplaying style for Swashbucklers, like "ninja" is for Assassins, but hey.

>The Kannagi's party trick as a class seems to be shields and so on,
>like Forcefield Defenders from CoH, although my understanding is that
>Elder Tale only has Res-based mechanics, rather than FF's +Def set.

Well, there is that barrier spell that Minori and Sōjiro's sidekick have. I don't know if it technically works as additional defense or just keeps the bad guy out of range, but...

>Anyway. I was running a Sorcerer, and got abilities to stack damage
>multiplication on top of elemental affinities on top of everything
>else I could get ahold of.
>
>Turns out that the resulting peak damage is about four times the total
>health of a standard goblin, and enough to one-shot most 'standard
>bosses' the game gives.

Yeah, see, exactly. (Also, we know from the show that properly applied Bard buffs, even at a relatively low level, can make a Sorcerer a terrifying engine of destruction, at least for a couple of minutes. :)

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#11, RE: K-On! x Log Horizon: When Shows Collide
Posted by Polychrome on Nov-30-14 at 02:36 PM
In response to message #10
>>GIANT MONSTER swung a GIANT HAMMER at AZUSA!
>>
>>*dink.*
>>
>>It's not very effective.
>
>Also: adorable in full plate armor, with a shield that would be a
>large shield for most characters, but is a tower shield for her. :)

Sounds like a gnome protection warrior in WoW. for ex.:

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140711170945/gamelore/images/a/a6/Chloe_Mithrilbolt.jpg?x

The generally need a raid marker put on their heads so you can keep track of them in the chaos.

Polychrome


#12, RE: K-On! x Log Horizon: When Shows Collide
Posted by Gryphon on Nov-30-14 at 03:11 PM
In response to message #11
>>Also: adorable in full plate armor, with a shield that would be a
>>large shield for most characters, but is a tower shield for her. :)
>
>Sounds like a gnome protection warrior in WoW.

IIRC, the "large shield is tower shield" thing is straight out of the old AD&D rules for halfling and gnome characters using "big folk" equipment. (Also, a longsword for a human/elven character is a greatsword for one of them, and so on.)

Also, you just reminded me that - though all the other stock fantasy races are represented - there's no gnome Valkyrie in the old list. I should fix that. There's plainly no height requirement. :)

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#13, A Moment in the Life
Posted by Gryphon on Dec-11-14 at 10:40 PM
In response to message #0

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#14, RE: A Moment in the Life
Posted by Croaker on Dec-12-14 at 02:09 PM
In response to message #13
>
>
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... Sith Adept Mio. That just... blows my mind, to be honest. :)

It would certainly be ... interesting.