from Gryphon in another thread that wasn't about this...

>No, by "nowhere" Kate meant she didn't go anywhere - she'd been right
>there the whole time. Utena just didn't see her.
>
>(If she'd looked carefully, though, Utena would have seen her
>shadow... :)

It occcurs to me, after that statement, and considering Kate's heritage, that she may have some of the abilities of The Shadow since his persona was infused with Gryphon at the time of her conception. That or its just a neat martial arts technique.

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>Chris can't handle super heroes

That's amusing, considering that the entire UF universe is predicated on the idea that the main characters are effectively immortal.

Not that I wouldn't like to learn her trick...

Bodhi
"Do unto others, then loot the bodies"

>>Chris can't handle super heroes
>
>That's amusing, considering that the entire UF universe is predicated
>on the idea that the main characters are effectively immortal.

I was afraid that'd be misunderstood. The joke is that Chris Redfield from Resident Evil couldn't do nearly as many things as the other character, Jill Valentine, could. whenever he tried to do something he couldn't, it would say something like "Chris can't handle chemicals" or "Chris can't play piano" or something like that.

Me, I'm all for butt kicking super hero action, I just figured I'd adjust my sig to be semi-related to my post.

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>I was afraid that'd be misunderstood. The joke is that Chris Redfield
>from Resident Evil couldn't do nearly as many things as the other
>character, Jill Valentine, could. whenever he tried to do something
>he couldn't, it would say something like "Chris can't handle
>chemicals" or "Chris can't play piano" or something like that.

My apologies, oddly enough with all the references made in this group and in the UF stories, I've never ran across that one.

>Chris can't handle back story

Bodhi can't handle the obvious references. Somehow, I do get the obscure ones...

Bodhi

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>It occcurs to me, after that statement, and considering Kate's
>heritage, that she may have some of the abilities of The Shadow
>since his persona was infused with Gryphon at the time of her
>conception.

Nah... nothing genetic about it. It's a technique anybody can learn, with a formidable enough will. Utena could learn it; studying alongside Kate as she is, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she did someday. Whether she ever used it would be another question, since hiding isn't really her style.

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>
>Nah... nothing genetic about it. It's a technique anybody can learn,
>with a formidable enough will. Utena could learn it; studying
>alongside Kate as she is, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she did
>someday. Whether she ever used it would be another question, since
>hiding isn't really her style.
>

:Grumble Grumble:

And here after I posted in the other topic.

Ok, so, to bring it here, since this seems the place, Are Gryph and Kate's "Shadow" skills part of the Kasurigatryuu martial arts training, or something he taught Kate on the side?

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>Ok, so, to bring it here, since this seems the place, Are Gryph and
>Kate's "Shadow" skills part of the Kasurigatryuu martial arts
>training, or something he taught Kate on the side?

Whether I learned it at the same time as the rest, it's still a part of my fighting style, which means, to all intents and purposes, if I teach it to a student, it's now part of Katsujinkenryuu. If/when Kate has students, no doubt she will teach it to them in turn.

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>>Ok, so, to bring it here, since this seems the place, Are Gryph and
>>Kate's "Shadow" skills part of the Kasurigatryuu martial arts
>>training, or something he taught Kate on the side?
>
>Whether I learned it at the same time as the rest, it's still a part
>of my fighting style, which means, to all intents and purposes, if I
>teach it to a student, it's now part of Katsujinkenryuu. If/when Kate
>has students, no doubt she will teach it to them in turn.

Provided that they've got thirty years to dedicate to refining themselves. Or more, if the student isn't as apt as Kate, and Gryph before her, or as habitual as young Leonard seems to be.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but, Kasurigatryuu seems to be rather closely held. It would follow that only the most promising and honorable of students would be taught something like the "Shadow" skills.

Bodhi
"Sometimes you seek the art sometimes the art seeks you"

"More power to you, my man... and I think you get triple points for redheads."

>Provided that they've got thirty years to dedicate to refining
>themselves.

Kaitlyn certainly hasn't spent thirty years on it... she's only sixteen.

>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but, Kasurigatryuu seems to be rather
>closely held. It would follow that only the most promising and
>honorable of students would be taught something like the "Shadow"
>skills.

It's true that Katsujinkenryuu is a fairly insular art, but that's more a function of circumstance than deliberate action. Gryphon is the only living master between the early 2330s and whenever one of his students achieves mastery, which hasn't happened to date (March, 2405). He's been awfully busy. That I know of so far, he's had six and a half students, of which three and a half are currently active. The first died a novice; the next achieved the rank of journeywoman before circumstances separated them, and he never saw her again. That was in the mid-Exile; he didn't take another student (as far as I know at the moment) until after the end of the War of Corporate Occupation. In Future Imperfect, the third similarly reached journeywoman, then felt that her path lay along a different course and they parted. (The readers haven't had a chance to meet her yet; it happened several years before the Symphony began, in a period of history not covered by released material.)

Of the three current ones, the most senior (Kaitlyn) is an advanced journeywoman, and the other two are novices, one fairly senior, the other all but green. (I cound Utena as the half-student; she counts because, although she isn't studying directly, she does have regular exposure, which will inevitably impress some aspects of the form on her own style, and she looks up to Gryphon enough to call him sensei even though she isn't his student.) With everything else he has to do, he can barely manage to teach three. If Kaitlyn were not a journeywoman, and therefore in the mostly-out-from-under-sensei's-wing stage, he wouldn't have been able to take his most recent novice on.

If and when there's more than one master, one expects the spread of the art to increase somewhat in pace; but it is true that those who practice K-ryuu are a choosy lot when it comes to picking who will learn from them. Being involved with K-ryuu presupposes a certain level of moral fiber - perhaps that's one of the lingering echoes of Talar Kem's involvement in the foundation of the form. So even when there's more than one master of the form, you won't see us setting up dojos in strip malls and awarding colored belts. :)

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> So even when
>there's more than one master of the form, you won't see us
>awarding colored belts. :)

Aww, not even for Christmas? };-{D

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>Kaitlyn certainly hasn't spent thirty years on it... she's only
>sixteen.

And, as you say, she hasn't attained mastery, yet.

>If and when there's more than one master, one expects the spread of
>the art to increase somewhat in pace; but it is true that those who
>practice K-ryuu are a choosy lot when it comes to picking who will
>learn from them. Being involved with K-ryuu presupposes a certain
>level of moral fiber - perhaps that's one of the lingering echoes of
>Talar Kem's involvement in the foundation of the form. So even when
>there's more than one master of the form, you won't see us setting up
>dojos in strip malls and awarding colored belts. :)

I agree completely with you. However, I have yet to see a dojo (dojang, crun) that didn't use some form of rank system. Of course, I haven't tried to pick up advanced katana forms yet, either.

Bodhi

"Better to be a quiet surprise than a loud disappointment"

>I agree completely with you. However, I have yet to see a dojo
>(dojang, crun) that didn't use some form of rank system. Of course, I
>haven't tried to pick up advanced katana forms yet, either.

What, you think they need something more than 'apprentice', 'journey<gender>', and 'master'?

(Well, the salon I did my own training in had another step, so I guess you could. It was more a level of your experience. 'Apprentice' meant you didn't know enough to not hurt yourself or someone else, 'journeyman' meant you did know enough to not hurt yourself or someone else, 'duelist' meant that you knew enough to be used as a demonstration for the apprentices or as a training dummy for one, and 'master' meant you knew enough to teach. Unfortunately, I had to stop just as I reached Journeyman, but I do intent to return to study under Maestro someday. Italian ren-style is FUN.)

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>I agree completely with you. However, I have yet to see a dojo
>(dojang, crun) that didn't use some form of rank system.

K-ryuu has one; it's just not as regimented as the ones you find in most, er, "commercial" martial arts. It doesn't have to be - there's no need to set things up so it's easy for regular people to understand. :)

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I've positively identified by name 3-1/2 of the 6-1/2 students. The one we haven't met in released materials is named as a journeywoman. I'm assuming the senior novice is Leonard (although I sort of had the impression that he was into some other style), and I'm assuming the beginner novice is also a family member. So, 6-1/2 students with 4-1/2 positively identified as to gender (and guesses about the other 2). The question is this: does The Big G take non-family male students, or is he just one of those guys women flock to? (no, not that way, gutter mind, although that does seem to be the case too, doesn't it ;) )

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>The question is this: does The Big G take non-family male
>students

Well, he hasn't yet, but that's more circumstantial than preferential.

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>>Ok, so, to bring it here, since this seems the place, Are Gryph and
>>Kate's "Shadow" skills part of the Kasurigatryuu martial arts
>>training, or something he taught Kate on the side?
>
>Whether I learned it at the same time as the rest, it's still a part
>of my fighting style, which means, to all intents and purposes, if I
>teach it to a student, it's now part of Katsujinkenryuu. If/when Kate
>has students, no doubt she will teach it to them in turn.

Ah. Makes sense. If it wasn't part of it before, it is now. That's what I was trying to figure out between the two threads where I mentioned this.

IE: Anyone who impresses Gryph enough to qualify as a student would eventually pick up the power to cloud mens minds at the appropriate point in training...

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>IE: Anyone who impresses Gryph enough to qualify as a student would
>eventually pick up the power to cloud mens minds at the appropriate
>point in training...

Not necessarily "anyone" - few students learn every part of every style, and there are some people whose personalities just aren't suited to the technique. Such people would have a hard time using it effectively, and their training time might be better spent on aspects of the form better suited to them.

But, in general terms, yes.

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>>IE: Anyone who impresses Gryph enough to qualify as a student would
>>eventually pick up the power to cloud mens minds at the appropriate
>>point in training...
>
>Not necessarily "anyone" - few students learn every part of every
>style, and there are some people whose personalities just aren't
>suited to the technique. Such people would have a hard time using it
>effectively, and their training time might be better spent on aspects
>of the form better suited to them.
>
>But, in general terms, yes.
>

Which is, of course, why I phrased it the way I did... for some the "Appropriate" time would come later than others, or never at all. ^_^

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