I'm loving the huge Justice League Avalon cover. Mainly because it's one of my favorite things to pick out all the people you know in it. So far though, there's only a few I can't identify.

- The girl just to the right of Liza (Looks familiar, but I can't place her)
- The guy just above the Utonium sisters. (Again, familiar. May be how far back he is)
- The cat next to Mary Marvel(I don't think it's Catwoman, as she's on Kane's World, last I knew)

Beyond that, DAMN, that's a HUGE set of heroes. And is that Warhawk in the back right holding the other flag? Or did UF Hawkman use a hybridized costume similar to Diana's?

All hail Dave!

There so much awesome I'd be hard pressed to pick anything above another, but a couple things stick out. The giant, multi-page roll call of heroes is fantastic. And Wakaba's parody Green Lantern outfit is especially slick, though the green lipstick is... decorative :D

>>And is that Warhawk in the back right holding the other flag?

I think that's a Mr. Warren Carter Worthington III, better known in other universes as Archangel.

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Just for giggles, I'm going to see how many I can ID.

Group way in back, in the center. Juggernaut, Thing, Iron Man, Beast, PC Hammer, Jay Garrick, someone in a Moldiver suit, and Bruce Banner.

Back row. I'm guessing Utena, Kurt, unknown (I can't make out the emblem) Etrigan, Robin, Colossus, Greg from CSI, Geoff, Logan, the Power Puff Teens, someone I can't recognize with a white streak in her hair, unknown guy with goggles, Archangel, Terra, Beast Boy, Jen Walters (or a female skrull), Janice?, and Daredevil.

Row 2. Alan Scoot, Starfire, Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, Catwoman?, Cyborg, unclear, Mayl?, Hawkgirl, Corwin, Yomiko Readman, Raven.

Front row. Wakaba, Arsenal/Speedy, Stargirl, Flash, Wolfsbane, Mace Windu, Diana, Batgirl, Supergirl.

>Just for giggles, I'm going to see how many I can ID.
>
>Group way in back, in the center. Juggernaut, Thing, Iron Man, Beast,
>PC Hammer, Jay Garrick, someone in a Moldiver suit, and Bruce Banner.
>
>Back row. I'm guessing Utena, Kurt, unknown (I can't make out the

Good crikey! That's Gryphon!

>emblem) Etrigan, Robin, Colossus, Greg from CSI, Geoff, Logan, the
>Power Puff Teens, someone I can't recognize with a white streak in her

Her Jedi robe gives it away, that has to be Atin-Vae Springsteen.

>hair, unknown guy with goggles, Archangel, Terra, Beast Boy, Jen

I can't tell this one either.

>Walters (or a female skrull), Janice?, and Daredevil.

Yeah, that's Janice.

>
>Row 2. Alan Scoot, Starfire, Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, Catwoman?,

I wonder if that's the alternate Kitty Pryde, just going by her motif in the X2O artworks.

>Cyborg, unclear, Mayl?, Hawkgirl, Corwin, Yomiko Readman, Raven.

The only other girl to wear Utena's jacket is Juniper, although I thought her hair was a lot darker. Next to her is surely Liza. Note the purple lightning bolt tattoo.

>
>Front row. Wakaba, Arsenal/Speedy, Stargirl, Flash, Wolfsbane, Mace
>Windu, Diana, Batgirl, Supergirl.

"They say one should not speak unkindly of the dead, so I say, 'nice try'." --Lezard

>>J
>>Back row. I'm guessing Utena, Kurt, unknown (I can't make out the
>
>Good crikey! That's Gryphon!

I thought his look was older, these days.

>Her Jedi robe gives it away, that has to be Atin-Vae Springsteen.

Funny, I thought she was taller...

>>hair, unknown guy with goggles, Archangel, Terra, Beast Boy, Jen
>
>I can't tell this one either.

Another post on the thread says it's Dave himself, as Vindicator.

>>Cyborg, unclear, Mayl?, Hawkgirl, Corwin, Yomiko Readman, Raven.
>
>The only other girl to wear Utena's jacket is Juniper, although I
>thought her hair was a lot darker. Next to her is surely Liza. Note
>the purple lightning bolt tattoo.

Liza? All of a sudden, I'm flashing on a REALLY AU Psylocke...

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>Greg from CSI, Geoff, Logan,

Aaaaactually, if you look close, the guy just behind Logan has greenish hair down past his shoulders. I'm-a thinkin' that's actually Saionji.

(*sigh* help break up untold Big Fire cells, get set on fire, buried in snow, beaten by Nazis, stuck with not one but two padawhatchamacallits, and don't make the lineup. It's true - SA7 is a thankless job. Oh, wait. Not a Lensman. That explains it aaaaaaaall.)

I kid. Really. That's really good art.

And shame on you! Jen Walters or a female Skrull? Have you so soon forgotten My (And Everyone's) Favorite Martian, J'onn Hy'att?

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>Aaaaactually, if you look close, the guy just behind Logan has
>greenish hair down past his shoulders. I'm-a thinkin' that's actually
>Saionji.

I see big guy in trenchcoat, I jump to conclusions.

>And shame on you! Jen Walters or a female Skrull? Have you so soon
>forgotten My (And Everyone's) Favorite Martian, J'onn Hy'att?

I must confess my knowledge of the Symphony cast is imperfect.

(And it's spelled H'yaat :) )

>>Aaaaactually, if you look close, the guy just behind Logan has
>>greenish hair down past his shoulders. I'm-a thinkin' that's actually
>>Saionji.
>
>I see big guy in trenchcoat, I jump to conclusions.

The guy standing behind Logan is Geoff. Someone else asked Dave elsewhere.

Also, I *totally* look like some one-eyed version of the disturbingly bishounen version of the god Loki that appeals to the Norse-oriented anime fangirl/ pagan squad out there. Just sayin'.

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>The guy standing behind Logan is Geoff. Someone else asked Dave
>elsewhere.

I did not know that. (And you'd think I would. Live and learn...)

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>Group way in back, in the center. Juggernaut, Thing, Iron Man, Beast,
>PC Hammer, Jay Garrick, someone in a Moldiver suit, and Bruce Banner.

Nice work, all accounted for. (Presumably that's Hiroshi; the UF version of Mirai has little interest in such matters.)

>Back row. I'm guessing Utena, Kurt, unknown (I can't make out the
>emblem) Etrigan, Robin, Colossus, Greg from CSI, Geoff, Logan, the
>Power Puff Teens, someone I can't recognize with a white streak in her
>hair, unknown guy with goggles, Archangel, Terra, Beast Boy, Jen
>Walters (or a female skrull), Janice?, and Daredevil.

Er, that's the Chief, actually.
Close - it's Gil Grissom (he's much less stolid without the beard).
Atin-Vae Springsteen
Dave "Vindicator" Menard
John Hyatt of Mars

>Row 2. Alan Scott, Starfire, Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, Catwoman?,
>Cyborg, unclear, Mayl?, Hawkgirl, Corwin, Yomiko Readman, Raven.

Anne "Juniper" Cross (note that she's wearing a black Ohtori Academy boy's uniform jacket)
Liza Shustal

>Front row. Wakaba, Arsenal/Speedy, Stargirl, Flash, Wolfsbane, Mace
>Windu, Diana, Batgirl, Supergirl.

All correct. (Speedy's here, as Dave explained to me when I was all confused at him in the studio channel last night, because he assumed that the first couple season of the Teen Titans cartoon happened off-screen in the UF universe. I could've chided him for not using the Bacon Comics version of Arsenal - who doesn't want more blondes? - but I suppose that would've just confused matters, since in the UF universe she's fictional. :)

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Trivia:

- That tie Corwin's wearing? Actually Utena's. Not entirely sure Corwin owns any ties of his own. :)

- Warren may resemble Space Ghost slightly in his hawkcop mask; this is not entirely accidental, since Dave had another classic Alex Toth design, Birdman, in mind at the time.

- That is, indeed, Catwoman; she's not based in New Avalon normally, but it's not like it's difficult to get there from New Gotham. Presumably she's visiting Cassie.

- Similarly, Hiroshi "Captain Tomodachi" Morisato is usually based on, well, Tomodachi; but he visits New Avalon frequently and has been known to team up with the Utonium sisters pretty routinely.

- First "on-screen" appearance of Tara Markova, alias Terra, who spent a while as a Titan in unchronicled adventures before moving to the volcanic planet Magmalor (still listed on some older charts as Mustafar) to master her geokinetic powers under the tutelage of Warmaster Moltar, leader of the Lava Men.

- Dave tells me that Bubbles is, in fact, checking Hank McCoy out.

- Wally is smirking because he just arrived about a tenth of a second before the picture was taken. Courtney is not yet aware that he's even there.

Things I'm particularly fond of in this pic:

- Marty, as previously mentioned, towering over even Juggy and the Hulk.

- Jay Garrick's positioning between those two makes him look even skinnier than he actually is.

- Buttercup's pose.

- Liza's costume.

- The fact that Logan is unmistakable despite the fact that he's tiny and way in the back.

- The nice job Dave did of revising Cyborg's TV design so that his proportions fit into the rest of the pic.

Also, not in the gatefold so much as in general, I like the way Wakaba's outfit is different in each one. Costume? Not so much. :)

(And, you know, classic "All-New Justice League" cover comp except without having to look at Guy Gardner's mug. How can you lose?)

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> Hiroshi "Captain Tomodachi" Morisato

*snnnnrk*

So he *did* get it working in the end.

Man, what wouldn't I have given to be a fly on the wall at that session. I notice Corwin wasn't the only one deciding to dress his best (the beard, now that I see it, makes him look even craggier than I had imagined him previously); Utena is wearing her IPSF dress uniform {u]and her Klingon baldric (the one Klaang gave her). And Liza looks hot, hot, HOT!

Is it just me, or do both Diana and Cassie look almost unnervingly intense in this picture?

-Joe-

>Utena is wearing
>her IPSF dress uniform and her Klingon baldric (the one Klaang
>gave her).

Actually, that's a duty uniform; the dress uniforms don't have shoulder yokes. In fact, looking at it, it's a duty uniform with the colors inverted. Normally they're black with blue-grey shoulder yokes. Perhaps the reversed-color duty uniform is a Space Force Reserve thing. (IPSF dress uniforms are Star Trek II-type with different colors; duty uniforms are last-season DS9.) That is indeed a House Klavaar baldric, though.

>And Liza looks hot, hot, HOT!

With this there can be no quibbling.

>Is it just me, or do both Diana and Cassie look almost unnervingly
>intense in this picture?

I dunno about Diana, but looking almost unnervingly intense is kind of Cassie's métier. :)

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>Man, what wouldn't I have given to be a fly on the wall at that
>session. I notice Corwin wasn't the only one deciding to dress his
>best (the beard, now that I see it, makes him look even
>craggier than I had imagined him previously);

I'm not sure the god marks work with the facial hair. But then, he may not exactly have a choice. :)

>I'm not sure the god marks work with the facial hair. But then,
>he may not exactly have a choice. :)

It is difficult, though not entirely impossible, for a man without a beard to be taken seriously in Aesir society.

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Point taken. Maybe if they were more like warpaint...

I suspect that a lot of my mistakes were from not having seen Utena. At least I didn't miss any of the "classic" heroes. :)

The Chief really needs a more distinctive look, tho.

>I suspect that a lot of my mistakes were from not having seen Utena.

There are only two characters from Revolutionary Girl Utena in the picture, and you recognized them both.

>The Chief really needs a more distinctive look, tho.

With Captain Marvel's collar in the way, you can't see that he's wearing his Utilikilt.

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I actually thought that it might be one, but it would be too embarassing if I was wrong. :)

>>The Chief really needs a more distinctive look, tho.
>
>With Captain Marvel's collar in the way, you can't see that he's
>wearing his Utilikilt.
>
Nope, actually I could see enough of his Utilikilt to instantly place it in relation to the cover you just quoted, and how I at least ID'd the cheif. Good to see just how many of these folks I got. Kind of embarassed about Terra... I thought that was supposed to be Kaitlyn.

Y'know, I've been of thhe opinion that Kara is an exibitionist with that skirt, and a picture of her fighting a tentacled creature doesn't help.

Polychrome

>Y'know, I've been of thhe opinion that Kara is an exibitionist with
>that skirt, and a picture of her fighting a tentacled creature doesn't
>help.

It's like a cheerleading uniform. Nobody expects cheerleader's skirts to cover anything; that's why they wear those... shorts things... underneath. It's not like she's regimental under there. :)

(What, so I don't know the correct names of cheerleading equipment. Sue me.)

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Ah, Okay. It wouldn't be nearly as bad if she didn't fly.

Random Citizen: <looks up> Oh, look. It's laundry day.

I also find it amusing that Alan Scott appears to be scowling at Wakaba.

Polychrome

>I also find it amusing that Alan Scott appears to be scowling at
>Wakaba.

Dave suggests that he doesn't approve of her outfit. If that's so, he must really hate the tube top version.

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> - The girl just to the right of Liza (Looks familiar, but I can't place her)
> - The guy just above the Utonium sisters. (Again, familiar. May be how far back he is)
> - The cat next to Mary Marvel(I don't think it's Catwoman, as she's on Kane's World, last I knew)

1) Kate, I suspect.
2) Vindicator (aka Dave Menard)
3) .. I'm not sure..

I love that Marty's at the back, looming over everybody.

(I am the Terror that happens to be taller than everybody.)

> (I am the Terror that happens to be taller than everybody.)

That goes well with the classic Darkwing intro: "I ... seem to have run out of my trademark blue smoke."
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I propose an informal alternate title for the fold-out: Dave Draws Everybody!.

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>I propose an informal alternate title for the fold-out: Dave Draws
>Everybody!.

Only in my dreams will that be followed by Dave Menard Draws the Eyrie Universe.

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>I'm loving the huge Justice League Avalon cover. Mainly because it's
>one of my favorite things to pick out all the people you know in it.
>So far though, there's only a few I can't identify.

All I have to say is 1) Wow and 2) Wallpaper.

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wicked keen, Dave you rock!

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To do our country loss; and if to live,
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God's will I pray thee wish not one man more" - Henry V, Act, IV Scene III

Wow... Just. Wow.

Dave, my hat's off to you man. How long did this take you to do? How'd you do it?

Oh yeah, this is definitely going in my offline collection. ^_^

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Without having read anything but the first post:

1. Stargirl!

2. Hot damn, Corwin looks hot. Not "hawt" but... He could totally take Vic Sage and Fox Mulder in a dual of paranormal guys wearing suits.

3. I know this is supposed to invoke Ed Benes, but let me just say, this is like eleventy-gapillion times better because the characters actually have facial expression.

4. Hmm. You went with that look for Batgirl. Any reason?

5. Is Roy hitting on Stargirl?

6. Aside from Jay Garrick, who are the two guys between the PPG's and Hulk?

7. Shayera!

I'll make this a more-or-less group reply- thanks all for all your kind words- there's a new and better version of these on the way, so don't knock yourselves out making wallpapers just yet, m'kay?

Between Gryph, Ard and the rest of the Crew, there's not many questions left to answer, but I'll tackle Static-Pulse's here, since it's the last in the thread to date:

1. Yep. She doth rock unto the supreme degree.

2. Well, yeah. That "Godhead" thing is kinda the deciding factor. ;)

3. Thanks very much. Don't pick on Ed Benes too much. He had to redraw that cover at least three times to compensate for post IC/ One Year Later changes- it's no wonder he recycled a few facial expressions.

4. (UF-verse canon*) Cassie Cain dropped the "faceless mute" look once she came out of her shell. And the new look made Tim actually have an expression, so she kept it. She's sort of fond of the ol' Timster, y'know.:)

5. Roy Harper hits on any girl who sits still long enough. His saving grace is that he's charming about it and takes "no" for an answer.

6. As mentioned above, that would be my UF-self and Captain Tomodachi. (See issues of Alpha Flight and Eps of Moldiver for sources)

* i.e., it's canon unless we choose to contradict it later. ;)

>there's a new and better version of these on the way, so
>don't knock yourselves out making wallpapers just yet, m'kay?

Bou! Version 2 is up!

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>>there's a new and better version of these on the way, so
>>don't knock yourselves out making wallpapers just yet, m'kay?
>
>Bou! Version 2 is up!

Featuring the addition of Sam and Paige Guthrie, and if I'm not mistaken, Jubilation Lee (Between Rahne and Mace).

Polychrome

Those're the only differences I spotted.

Random comment... is it me, or does Terra look a little like Agatha Heterodyne? :)

>Random comment... is it me, or does Terra look a little like Agatha
>Heterodyne? :)

Thank you - I was trying to remember her name. And yes, she looks a lot like Agatha Heterodyne (at least IMHO)...

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>Thank you - I was trying to remember her name. And yes, she looks a
>lot like Agatha Heterodyne (at least IMHO)...

I see nothing wrong with Terra looking like Agatha Heterodyne myself. They're both descended from the root character of Plucky Girl In Bad Situations Using Talents To Get Out Of It.

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*blinks* did this version shrink somewhat? Maybe it's the backround going from red to blue(I think it changed color), but it seems smaller.

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>I'll make this a more-or-less group reply- thanks all for all your
>kind words-

They're well earned. :)

>1. Yep. She doth rock unto the supreme degree.

Yay, verily!

>3. Thanks very much. Don't pick on Ed Benes too much.

Well, I was thinking of his work in general, but yikes. Three times. Gah!

>5. Roy Harper hits on any girl who sits still long enough.

*chortle* *chortle*

THANKS!

Question-in the first and second covers-who is the guy with the red and white helmet, black cape and the blue/black bodysuit or was this one covered already?

That's a Moldiver suit, from the anime of the same name. So it's probably the UF-equivalent of Ozora Hiroshi, who has appeared in the canon.

Actually, its Morisato Hiroshi in UF...

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I figured using his "real name" would help in future Googling :)