LAST EDITED ON Aug-24-07 AT 10:27 AM (EDT)
 
So, Lego corp has a new set out of an Eta-2 Actis with its hyperdrive ring, and as I was putting the thing together the thought struck me that, in 'current day' UF, the only reason to have a separate hyper module is the major style points, since cramming an integral one into a snubfighter, while expensive and maybe a bit technically tricky - especially in something the Eta-2's size - is quite possible.

Warp drives, however, are not only faster than hyperdrives, but considerably bulkier, especially when you want to talk about higher warp factors.

And damned if that ring's engine pods don't look quite a bit like warp nacelles.

ETA: Brickset's description of the set

Ja, -n
(Taz want know why for DCF us such stupid link syntax?)

And yet, they already fit warp nacelles onto shuttles.

(And onto fighters, in various recent and/or licensed games not under Gene's "shiny happy future" benevolently oppressive hand.)

>And yet, they already fit warp nacelles onto shuttles.

Crappy ones, anyway. ^_^

Dinky little short-range warp two putt-putt motors. Not much good to a Jedi rushing to a hotspot.

Smallest thing I can remember seeing sustained or high-warp speeds from is a Runabout, actually, which, once you include its habitable volume seems...

...about the same size as a jump ring, I think.

Of course, I'm hardly the most avid and attentive fan, so what do I know? Just thought it'd be neat.

Ja, -n

LAST EDITED ON Aug-24-07 AT 09:13 AM (EDT)
 
Interesting idea, though I believe Gryphon's Valkyrie back in the Core stories had warp nacelles built into the add on booster pods as an optional attachment in place of missiles, since it mentions them being switched for the traditional missile pods in the fourth story.

>Interesting idea, though I believe Gryphon's Valkyrie back in the Core
>stories had warp nacelles built into the add on booster pods as an
>optional attachment in place of missiles, since it mentions them being
>switched for the traditional missile pods in the fourth story.

I know that the Daytona from Hell had a warp beta unit type thing, and that Gryphon's Valkyrie was able to match it with its boosters (Core 2... maybe), but for early Core at least, Warp drives don't yet exist and all mentions are supposed to actually be Hyperdrive.

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Chris can't handle chemicals

In the old Tech Readouts, there was a Super Valk variant called the Hyper Valkyrie, with warp nacelle boosters. Always liked that idea.

>In the old Tech Readouts, there was a Super Valk variant called the
>Hyper Valkyrie, with warp nacelle boosters. Always liked that idea.

Yup. But block 1 Hyper valk's really were HYPER valks, as in they had a hyper drive in those boosters rather than warp nacelles. Remember that in the revised tech paths Warp drive wasnt around for the first couple of hundred years...

What you really want for your Jedi is a pair of Warp Courier engines on the ring -- these being the engines from a ship not much larger than a runabout with an exceptionally small crew cabin (two people in discomfort) and the entire rest of the ship made out of engines.

What I can't for the life of me remember is which episode one shows up in.

You're probably thinking of the first movie, where one delivers Spock to the Enterprise.

>You're probably thinking of the first movie, where one delivers Spock
>to the Enterprise.

Yes, thats its first appearance, though I think it makes a couple of others as paramont loves to reuse models.

Might have appeared in a TNG episode.

It wouldn't surprise me. In TNG, even the theme song is recycled - a tradition they decided to break with DS9.

Black Aeronaut Technologies Creative aerospace solutions for the discerning spacer "To the commissary we should go," Yoda declared firmly. "News of this kind a danish requires."

Warp Drive Rings 4 t3h \/\/1n!!1!1 ^_^

Really, though, I think it'd make a damn nifty upgrade for Master Springsteen's fighter. Thoughts?

Black Aeronaut Technologies Creative aerospace solutions for the discerning spacer "To the commissary we should go," Yoda declared firmly. "News of this kind a danish requires."

LAST EDITED ON Apr-10-09 AT 04:29 AM (EDT)
 
Like everyone appears to be saying, Warp Drive Rings are considerablly more massive than conventional hyperspace motivators. Besides, for the Jedi in a Hurry, I'd hafta plump for a Very Fast Picket. Which is a demilitarised version of a Culture Rapid Offensive Unit. Which is very, very, VERY fast.

The Culture think that war is bad. Extremely bad. They've only ever had a couple. And they have pretty much always won. Except for the first bit of the Idiran war, but they weren't actually fighting then. I think they'd get on well with the IPO.

Oh, that'd be funny, Gryphon having a chat with a Special Circumstances operative...

Now THAT would be interesting!

I can just see the GSV Pretentious Twaddle appear near the NA Sphere, and cause a great deal of consternation, followed by a great deal of conversation.

*****
"It's difficult keeping up with the cross-continuity, but I think Cosmouse just gave The Saturnian Scraphunter his Ultimate Pacifier to use against Galactapuss..."

Indeed, and there probably is a Culture ship called the Pretentious Twaddle, possibly run by a Mind forced to listen to Dark Side Of The Moon. Though I rather like the idea of the Culture being one of the UF universe's innumerable precursor races.

Earthforce scouting parties could've found the GSV drifting in an asteroid field on the Coreward Frontier. They then towed it back to Earth under cover of spacefold and got a few of the systems to work, bludgeoned the Mind into submission, cannibalised bits of interesting tech (obviously the things the haven't got working yet) and filled it up with enough guns to render an Alabaman needing quite a long lie down with some tissues. Then the Culture show up in the form of an extremely confused bunch of Special Circumstances agents turning up in Gryphon's front garden, see what Earthforce have done to that poor, defenceless little trillion-tonne... city-ship... and then all Muspelheim breaks loose. Not literally, though. On the other hand, that could be quite fun...

>Indeed, and there probably is a Culture ship called the
>Pretentious Twaddle, possibly run by a Mind forced to listen to
>Dark Side Of The Moon. Though I rather like the idea of the Culture
>being one of the UF universe's innumerable precursor races.

Yes, we realize you have a hangup about the Culture.

Hint: constant bloviating about your own personal hangups and how they would totally fit into UF, paradoxically enough, ensures that your own personal hangups won't get into UF, and that you're not going to be offered a spot on the staff.

Ard Collier
that Janice chick
Usual Suspect and general menace

I am perfectly aware that my obsession with the works of Iain M. Banks (or Iain Banks, when he's writing gritty crime novels) border on the fetishistic. I also know that Diziet Sma and co. are as likely to appear in any Eyrie work as King Herod would be to appear on the board of the Bethlehem Playgroup & Creche Association.

I also know I have the writing talents of a pile of lemongrass recently micturated on by a goose, and that the idea of me being shunted up the ziggurat (lickety-split, if so you choose) is ludicrous at best and damaging to the series at worst.

The implication that I am angling for a place on the staff is inherently absurd. I can't think up coherent plots, for one thing. For another, I don't have the kind of clairvoyant Ultravir space brain one needs to remember the entire bloody UF canon and fit one's own work into it.

I'm sorry if I have inadvertently exposed you to the un-American idea of "not being egotistical to the point of implosion". I know my limitations.

I'm sorry if I have inadvertently exposed you to the un-American idea of "not being egotistical to the point of implosion". I know my limitations.

I said nothing about your nationality. Mind where you throw those stones.

Ard Collier
that Janice chick
Usual Suspect and general menace

LAST EDITED ON Apr-11-09 AT 08:43 PM (EDT) by Ardaniel (moderator)
 
Indeed not.

My apologies, Sir. Heat of the moment and all that. Got rather carried away.

I'll just assume you don't read people's .sigs, fix your mistake, and not take offense. --Ardaniel

>The implication that I am angling for a place on the staff is
>inherently absurd.

And yet, it's happened many times before, hence our w{e}ariness...

>I'm sorry if I have inadvertently exposed you to the un-American idea
>of "not being egotistical to the point of implosion".

... and the last guy who did it was English, so I'll thank you to secure that sort of jabber. Then again, I see your whole user profile is that sort of jabber, so perhaps that's asking too much.

One of the most consistent disappointments I've found since setting up these boards is the number of new users we've had, over the years, who have proven unable to take up a comportment fit for discourse. How on Earth is supercilious snideness a viable fallback position when you've annoyed a moderator with what looks, from this end, like a familiarly tiresome pattern of behavior? If it's a false positive on the moderator's part, snarking about nationalities isn't going to help. If not, it's really not going to help.

--G.
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Indeed, Sir.

In which case, I take my leave.

As I have evidently bored you and your staff (I hesitate to say 'annoyed' because that would rather imply you gave a damn what a two-bit late teen from across the pond thinks) I will remove myself from this forum before further damage is done. Ifaith it is the right thing to do - all I have done since I got here is rub people up the wrong way. Ardaniel, Mephron, your esteemed self... the list is extremely long and would only get longer were I to stick around.

Thus... farewell. I shall watch your careers with interest.

I know this won't be read by the intended but:

Point of Disorder. I noted my personal comments on your musical selections, including places where I disagreed with you and, I feel, I was quite pleasant and noncombative about it. At no time did I indicate you rubbed me the wrong way previous to now.

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Haberdasher to Androids, Dark Lord of Sith Tech Support.
"And Remember! Google is your Friend!!"

Just out of curiosity here...

Is it just me, or does it seem like becoming overly polite like this is just a way of being passive aggressive? And...to be honest..it feels sort of a dickish way of being passive aggressive, at that.

...And I have no way of making it seem like I'm fully happy being the only one who sees this that doesn't also seem like it's being dickishly passive-aggressive, so I think I'll just cut my losses here.

>Is it just me, or does it seem like becoming overly polite like this
>is just a way of being passive aggressive?

No. It's not just you.

--G.
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Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

>Just out of curiosity here...
>
>Is it just me, or does it seem like becoming overly polite like this
>is just a way of being passive aggressive? And...to be honest..it
>feels sort of a dickish way of being passive aggressive, at that.

Honestly, if you were going to go there and needed an approach that didn't also appear dickish and passive-aggressive (because yours did), a PM to Geoff himself might've been the better means of doing so. "Hey, forum mod, do you realize you're a passive-aggressive dick" probably isn't a discussion anyone wants to have out front in any guise.

Ard Collier
that Janice chick
Usual Suspect and general menace

>>Is it just me, or does it seem like becoming overly polite like this
>>is just a way of being passive aggressive?
>
>"Hey, forum mod, do you realize you're a passive-aggressive dick"
>probably isn't a discussion anyone wants to have out front in any
>guise.

I assumed he was talking about the post Geoff was replying to, actually, and just (as often happens) replied to the wrong spot in the tree, but it's possible I'm just not getting enough Vitamin E. :)

--G.
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Well, yes, that is what I meant...the whole exchange, really. I didn't mean to make it seem like I was singling anybody out, I just wanted to make sure that it was clear I was talking about that specific thread of over-politeness.

And once again I leave myself without a way of ending this or apologizing without it seeming like I'm being either passively or actively aggressive, so...Sorry and I'll be over here, being quiet now.

LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-09 AT 08:21 AM (EDT)
 
Know it's just heaping coals at this point, but...

Way back when I was, as a fellow RCW puts it, a clueless f!whit, I tried to introduce a bit of derivative fanfiction on the forums. I was stupid, a moron, a dumbass, and quite honestly, my attitude was similar to yours. Except, you know, I eventually -got the point-. (I'm much better now guys, honest injun.)

You, good sir, are just a troll. And the best way to deal with trolls? KIWF. That said? *heaps coals*

Edit: Spellcheck's not pinging either as correct. Is it whit or wit? I wanna get my insults juuuuust right.

It's wit.

I'm not sure if he was a troll or an attention whore really. In any case, I disagree, it's always best to just ignore them. Flamewars are so 1990s.

Getting back vaguely on topic, maybe the docking ring could be a metaspace drive thingy? I don't know anything about metaspace, not being a B5 guy at all. Which would be faster, metaspace or warp?

I think, arguably, metaspace. If I remember Corwin's little teaser explanation from back in S1M2 correctly, along with other pieces gleamed from later pieces, I believe the higher warp factors are faster than metaspace, but take a ton more power to reach. Metaspace is quick, but unless you're installing a metadrive, you need to use the gates. Although honestly, since metaspace is so fubar in how it maps out, I think it's just a question of where you're going and where you're starting from...

Corwin went over this for Utena in Symphony...I believe Metaspace is much, much faster, but the point generators are so big only larger capital ships and stationary generators can create them. 'Course, I *personally* would assume that warp has a higher *potential* speed...

Personally, I always preferred the good ol' Spacefold. Nothing like manhandling the very fabric of space and time to bend to your will just to pick up a carton of milk from the other side of the galaxy.

>Which would be faster, metaspace or warp?

Depends on where you're trying to go. Metaspace is usually faster, but fitting a jump point generator to something the size of a starfighter would be like using the Hoover Dam to power one'a them super-compact laptops. Rather defeats the purpose, what?

I dunno, I think we've belabored this enough, especially given that the guy who rezzed the thread (it had been dead since 2007) went on to quit the board a few posts above.

--G.
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