LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-17 AT 09:26 AM (EDT) by pjmoyer (moderator)
 
Vintage Geek Culture: Dead Fandoms, part 3

That's a bit mean. I mean yes, it has been a bit quiet around here lately, but...

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I would think they meant it in a good way. Three of those are directly used in UF.

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It mentions Robotech and Lensman, along with the Legion of Super-Heroes.

So it's got a little relevance.

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-17 AT 07:57 PM (EDT)
 
>Vintage Geek Culture: Dead Fandoms, part 3

That's...hard reading, but not for the reasons it'd be for anyone else. I had no idea Marion Zimmer Bradley had that kind of legacy after her death; I never read any of her books and never kept up with the fandom. Nor, apparently, the horrific things she did in her life.

I'm just distantly related to her. Even met her once.

I'm sorry, I know this was unrelated. But I had to get it off my chest.

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While I'm not saying that it's wrong? Claiming things about people is REALLY easy after they're dead...and, quite honestly, people claiming all sorts of outrageous things about their parents isn't exactly unknown either. Just a point.

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>While I'm not saying that it's wrong? Claiming things about people is
>REALLY easy after they're dead...and, quite honestly, people claiming
>all sorts of outrageous things about their parents isn't exactly
>unknown either. Just a point.

It's not like this all came out of nowhere. It had long been a matter of public record that MZB defended the actions of her paedophilic serial rapist of a second husband. Note that this was saying that what he did was OK, not that he didn't do it.

>>While I'm not saying that it's wrong? Claiming things about people is
>>REALLY easy after they're dead...and, quite honestly, people claiming
>>all sorts of outrageous things about their parents isn't exactly
>>unknown either. Just a point.
>
>It's not like this all came out of nowhere. It had long been a matter
>of public record that MZB defended the actions of her paedophilic
>serial rapist of a second husband. Note that this was saying that
>what he did was OK, not that he didn't do it.

It's not her second husband I'm related to, not that I knew anything about him either. Her children have made some horrific accusations about -her-. But, yes, it's true that waiting until they're dead and can't defend themselves is also a coward's act and I'm not sure I'll ever know the truth. Not sure I want to. Thinking on it a while, it never affected me at all, and I'm not as bothered by it now as I was when I wrote my previous post in this thread. It just took me by surprise, is all. Even if it was public record, the point was my life didn't intersect with her fandom at all and I never ran into it before right then.

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>But, yes, it's true that waiting until they're dead and
>can't defend themselves is also a coward's act and I'm not sure I'll
>ever know the truth.

Indeed. And, as I noted, children of (at least somewhat) famous people claiming all SORTS of things about their parents isn't exactly unknown, particularly but not always after the parents death. Among others that come to mind is Will Hayden of the "reality" show Sons of Guns. Hayden is doing 40 years for child molestation, and when when it came to light in 2014, his daughter all of a sudden was a previous victim...previously, she'd been the head of the company, been fine with all sorts of verbal and physical family affection, and indeed did require her husband to be to get permission from her father. Which did and do struck me as rather...peculiar. Another example is Clarissa Dickson Wright, famous British cook and one of the Two Fat Ladies cooking show. She claimed that her father, famous Brit surgeon, was verbally and physically, if not sexually, abusive towards herself and her mother. She was the youngest of four children, and at least her sister Heather, and I think her brother as well, has stood up to say that that was so much nonsense. Now, in HER case, I perhaps think it's more likely she is telling the truth, but at the same time, why would her sister lie in the OTHER direction?

As said, I don't know either way, and it might very well be that MZB was guilty of all sorts of things...but at the same time? Her daughter accused her in 2014. MZB died in 1999...now, I can understand someone perhaps not jumping up the minute that death is confirmed, but 15 years?

Also, as an aside, the link leading to this? Was AMAZINGLY badly researched, not only missing MZB's death by 2 years(claiming she died in 2001), and referring to her daughters, plural. She only had one daughter, and two sons. These aren't exactly difficult things to find out, so...

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Sigh.

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