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For those of us without heavy exposure to the starship files, could you link up a description of the Barghest and the K'tayyl class?

Peter Eng
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(I think Daggerdisc and the One-Hit Wonder are fine on their own.)

>For those of us without heavy exposure to the starship files, could
>you link up a description of the Barghest and the K'tayyl class?

http://www.eyrie-productions.com/Forum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=223&forum=DCForumID25&viewmode=threaded

When I originally sourced the image that I used for the Barghest file, it was listed at the Starship Schematics Database as an unnamed Earth Defense Force destroyer type. Oddly enough, that entry and diagram seem to be gone from the site now, but the Fuyutsuki-class destroyer appears to be a different illustration of the same type of ship. If I were to commission the UF version from Adam, I'd use the above as the starting point, but the final ship would end up being something unique. There's no point squandering a commission request from an artist as good as he is on a straight reproduction of a canonical design (which is why, for instancel Challenger and Valiant aren't on the candidates list).

There is no specific description of the K'tayyl class, beyond some pretty vague wording in a couple of early Symphony stories where the Vengeance appears. I've never had a really solid mental image of the ship - it's not based on any specific Gamilon vessel from Yamato, but presumably has something of the same design language.

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I actually was close to voting for the Wonder, but the realization that we'd get art of a totally new design for the K'tayyl tipped my scales. I'm thinking that'd be pretty awesome.

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There isn't one for non-administrative users.

At any rate, the canonical Valiant image is, if memory serves, a screencap of the Starfleet Command (or possibly Starfleet Command II version of the Defiant with the skin texture slightly edited.

You raise a valid point in that it's not very hi-rez and could probably stand replacing; indeed pretty much all the images on the old starship reference page could do with a refresh. Getting Adam to do it, for ships whose only differences from available canon images is their markings, doesn't really strike me as an efficient use of resources, though. His thing is much more about fresh ideas in recognizable design languages.

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Indeed, that's my pic (and my texture edit), it is from either SFC or SFC2, and I'd be the first to admit that Technology has Marched On and you could certainly do better these days.

I voted for the K'tayyl class, just because it's the only one we don't have any pictures for.

I'm voting for IPS Valiant. IIRC, we saw a computer generated Valiant years ago, but not one by commissioned artwork. The closest I can come up with is as the tiniest image on a starship size comparision scale. (IIRC Morning Sun, Lorica, Swordfish, Daggerdisc and Challenger have all appeared as cgi or model kit versions, but not in commissioned artwork)

Jeanne

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I added in my vote for the One Hit Wonder. I'm curious to see how the older design you came up with can be improved on.

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I'd love to see an actual rendition of Shepard's ship from Shepard's Eleven; the Surprise? Didn't go look. I know its something in between a Klingon Bird of Prey and the 3WA ship, but I've never really been able to mentally pin down its specifics.

Brian

>I'd love to see an actual rendition of Shepard's ship from Shepard's
>Eleven; the Surprise? Didn't go look. I know its something in
>between a Klingon Bird of Prey and the 3WA ship, but I've never really
>been able to mentally pin down its specifics.

It's essentially a Klingon Bird of Prey. Just in different colors.

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>>I'd love to see an actual rendition of Shepard's ship from Shepard's
>>Eleven; the Surprise? Didn't go look. I know its something in
>>between a Klingon Bird of Prey and the 3WA ship, but I've never really
>>been able to mentally pin down its specifics.
>
>It's essentially a Klingon Bird of Prey. Just in different colors.

I was about to say, there's basically no there there, but upon reflection there might be a little.

Here's the capsule history. In the UF universe, the Klingon B'rel-class bird-of-prey and its descendents are knockoffs of Utopia Planitia's widely used Predator-class corvette. (The latter class is most famous to the in-universe public as the type of ship most 3WA Trouble Consultant field teams use, but that doesn't mean they're supposed to look anything like any of the canonical versions of the Lovely Angel.) When Gryphon's Starfleet crew first see the Surprise in Manhunt, they think she IS a B'rel, so the resemblance is obviously very close, on the outside, at least.

Where the "there might be a little there there" comes into it is that, when the Surprise first appears, Gryphon's people have just bought her nth-hand at the Vesper used ship depot on Musashi, which is not exactly a Certified Preowned Starship Dealer. She's in pretty rough shape, especially on the outside, where generations of owners have neglected routine upkeep in favor of putting their limited resources toward trying to make sure the air stays on the inside - and she was last painted a cheapass green, so she coincidentally looks just like a Klingon ship.

What this means is that there's the potential for the ship's Shepard's 11 incarnation, which has obviously had a lot of work done sometime in between the two appearances, to have something of that "Y-wing fighter with the panels put back on" thing going on. As she appears in 2406, she probably doesn't look like a screen-accurate Klingon ship any longer. She's still the same shape, but the surface details would be different. Sort of the Klingon bird-of-prey if Ralph McQuarrie had been the art designer on Star Trek III instead of Nilo Rodis.

I'm not sure that's enough of a difference to really make it worth Adam's time, but it's an interesting thought. Of course, another problem with both the S11-era Surprise and the One-Hit Wonder is that they're black, which makes them stealthy in-universe and hard to illustrate out of it. :)

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>I'm not sure that's enough of a difference to really make it worth
>Adam's time, but it's an interesting thought. Of course, another
>problem with both the S11-era Surprise and the One-Hit
>Wonder is that they're black, which makes them stealthy
>in-universe and hard to illustrate out of it. :)

Well, that's what offscreen colored light is for. Or a convenient passing nebula. :)

--- Philip

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