Well, sad to say, we've probably seen the most of Mac in any story we ever will. He's had his moment, and now he's going back to being a very industrious and focused, but otherwise ordinary, high school student.

He (or his meta-self, anyway) is fighting it every step of the way. It's almost like having a teenaged William Shatner in my head, suggesting all sorts of (usually bad) plot points and text in order to justify more screen time.

What follows is a list of the stinkiest of the ideas thus far. Some of these have already been fielded, and rejected, by the Powers that Might or Might Not Be. Others I stopped before they went that far. All of them, however, you can take this to the bank, all of them are about 0% probable for future occurrence in ANY UF fic. These just will NOT happen.

And now, direct from the home office in Flower Mound, TX...

TOP TEN REJECTED MAC SUBPLOTS

10. Mac becomes a Jedi and defeats a resurrected Darth Vader
9. Mac designs and builds the entire new school for the Duelists, single-handed
8. The Dread Pirate Mac
7. Mac begins seeing a psychiatrist about his feelings of inadequacy
6. Mac confesses his love for Kaitlyn Hutchins
5. Mac finds the Claire Bible and journeys to Sairag to face the Demon Dragon King Gaav... whoops, wrong setting
4. Mac switches to lead guitar and joins the Art of Noise
3. Mac joins the Zardon Foreign Legion to forget something-or-other
2. Harcourt M. McKenzie, President of the Federation

and the Number One Rejected Mac Subplot:

1. Mrs. Elizabeth Broadbank McKenzie

Redneck (and after the break, Claudia Schiffer)

Red wizard needs money badly...
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>What follows is a list of the stinkiest of the ideas thus far. Some of
>these have already been fielded, and rejected, by the Powers that
>Might or Might Not Be. Others I stopped before they went that far.

Dare I ask which ones were actually fielded and which ones you never admitted to until this post? <g>

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"Mike Wazowski!"
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Chad Collier
Digital Bitch
J. Random VFX Company

>>What follows is a list of the stinkiest of the ideas thus far. Some of
>>these have already been fielded, and rejected, by the Powers that
>>Might or Might Not Be. Others I stopped before they went that far.
>
>Dare I ask which ones were actually fielded and which ones you never
>admitted to until this post? <g>

You may -ask-. }:-{D

Redneck

Red wizard needs money badly...
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>>Dare I ask which ones were actually fielded and which ones you never
>>admitted to until this post? <g>
>
>You may -ask-. }:-{D

(in my best stately southern accent)

It is my sincere hope that playing straight man to your Kirk in some way makes up for my unintentional insult towards the goldfish.

:)

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"Mike Wazowski!"
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Chad Collier
Digital Bitch
J. Random VFX Company

>8. The Dread Pirate Mac

Don't ask me how, but I can see it.

>1. Mrs. Elizabeth Broadbank McKenzie

I can see this too. Somehow.
In fact, I'm seeing a combination of the two! With Mac's ship being a knockoff of the Queen Emeraldas!

...please make the hurting stop...

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"And what _are_ we dealing with? Little green men!?"
"No. Little green blobs in bonded polycarbite-armor!"

>
>>8. The Dread Pirate Mac
>
>Don't ask me how, but I can see it.
>
>>1. Mrs. Elizabeth Broadbank McKenzie
>
>I can see this too. Somehow.
>In fact, I'm seeing a combination of the two! With Mac's ship being a
>knockoff of the Queen Emeraldas!
>

There are worse things.

He could team up with Ivan Vorpatril.

(The more I think about it, Red, the more those two start to seem very similar, y'know?)

>
>...please make the hurting stop...
>
>----------------
>"And what _are_ we dealing with? Little green men!?"
>"No. Little green blobs in bonded polycarbite-armor!"

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"Eat hot blazing photonic pulse fire, you alien invading human-abducting saucer-alien bastards!" -- Captain of EAS Bellerophon, firing on a Vree cruiser.

LAST EDITED ON Nov-26-01 AT 02:47 PM (EST)

>He could team up with Ivan Vorpatril.
>
>(The more I think about it, Red, the more those two start to seem very
>similar, y'know?)

what are you smoking? Ivan
a. is much, much more social
b. likes being a hero
c. enjoys titles, but not responsibility
d. finds all attractive girls interesting
e. would have been deeply intimidated by the duelists

Ouch. Mac is more likely to glue Ivan to the fender of his flyer than to spend time with him.

The only simliarity I can see is that both understand the maxim: "The reward for a job well done is another job".

Assuming Alys Vorpatril survived Vordarian's war. Given that Ivan was closer to the thone than Vidal, off hand, I'd say she didn't. But only Kris knows...
t.

Trigger Argee
trigger_argee@hotmail.com
Manon, Orado, etc.
Denton, never leave home without it.

>
>>He could team up with Ivan Vorpatril.
>>
>>(The more I think about it, Red, the more those two start to seem very
>>similar, y'know?)
>
>what are you smoking? Ivan
(snip)

>The only simliarity I can see is that both understand the maxim: "The
>reward for a job well done is another job".

Mmm. More in the desire to not be at the forefront of Doing Things. Ivan is, generally, too lazy to bother with heroics, he wants the image without the effort. Mac doesn't even care about the image, he just wants to get by. But they both have that oddball sense of humor, ingenuity, and ability to rise to the occasion when prompted.

>
>Assuming Alys Vorpatril survived Vordarian's war. Given that Ivan was
>closer to the thone than Vidal, off hand, I'd say she didn't. But
>only Kris knows...
>t.
>
>Trigger Argee
>trigger_argee@hotmail.com
>Manon, Orado, etc.
>Denton, never leave home without it.

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"Eat hot blazing photonic pulse fire, you alien invading human-abducting saucer-alien bastards!" -- Captain of EAS Bellerophon, firing on a Vree cruiser.

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>>
>>>He could team up with Ivan Vorpatril.
*Freakazoid voice* Scream.

>>>(The more I think about it, Red, the more those two start to seem very
>>>similar, y'know?)
>>
>>what are you smoking? Ivan
And why aren't you selling it?

(snip _Civil Campaign_ quote)

>Mmm. More in the desire to not be at the forefront of Doing
>Things. Ivan is, generally, too lazy to bother with heroics, he wants
>the image without the effort. Mac doesn't even care about the image,
>he just wants to get by. But they both have that oddball sense of
>humor, ingenuity, and ability to rise to the occasion when prompted.

But Mac doesn't seize on kittens as deliberate avenues to win women's
hearts. Then again, he doesn't seize on anything as avenues to anything
else, does he? Ivan is just active enough to try for what he wants,
and lets everything else slide by.

>>Assuming Alys Vorpatril survived Vordarian's war. Given that Ivan was
>>closer to the thone than Vidal, off hand, I'd say she didn't. But
>>only Kris knows...
Nan desu ka? I must be missing something UF-wise, 'cause she's
DEFINITELY alive in the books. They'd never have managed Gregor's
wedding without her. Which bit should I go reread for all the
Barrayaran-type stuff?

(sees the 'Mac is not...' forum)

...my apologies. I withdraw the question and will go read the
material referenced therein. Gomen! n.n;;;

>>Denton, never leave home without it.
What's Denton?

>--
>"Eat hot blazing photonic pulse fire, you alien invading
>human-abducting saucer-alien bastards!" -- Captain of EAS Bellerophon,
>firing on a Vree cruiser.

Kawaii ain't just a privlege, it's a RIGHT! n.n

>Nan desu ka? I must be missing something UF-wise, 'cause she's
>DEFINITELY alive in the books. They'd never have managed Gregor's
>wedding without her. Which bit should I go reread for all the
>Barrayaran-type stuff?

It hasn't been in any of the stories, but Redneck's made a few comments on these forums. The relevant links are:

http://www.eyrie-productions.com/Forum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=97&forum=DCForumID1&archive=yes#11

http://www.eyrie-productions.com/Forum-docs/DCForumID1/253.html#8

http://www.eyrie-productions.com/Forum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=29&forum=DCForumID1&archive=yes#7

Eric J. Heckathorn
ericjh@stargate.net

>But Mac doesn't seize on kittens as deliberate avenues to win women's
>hearts. Then again, he doesn't seize on anything as avenues to
>anything
>else, does he?

Depends. Mac used a legal technicality and a political situation to extract himself and some of his friends from danger. If Mac wants something strongly enough, it's difficult to say what he will or won't do.

>>>Assuming Alys Vorpatril survived Vordarian's war. Given that Ivan was
>>>closer to the thone than Vidal, off hand, I'd say she didn't. But
>>>only Kris knows...
>Nan desu ka? I must be missing something UF-wise, 'cause she's
>DEFINITELY alive in the books.

If it makes you feel better, she's alive in UF too... her husband, unfortunately, is not.

>>>Denton, never leave home without it.
>What's Denton?

A suburb of what some people call 'the biggest shopping mall in America.' Meaning Dallas, TX.

If you want to be technical, Denton is not a -suburb- per se; it's just that the D/FW cluster of cities has grown out towards it...

Redneck

Red wizard needs money badly...
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>>>>Denton, never leave home without it.
>>What's Denton?
>
>A suburb of what some people call 'the biggest shopping mall in
>America.' Meaning Dallas, TX.
>
>If you want to be technical, Denton is not a -suburb- per se; it's
>just that the D/FW cluster of cities has grown out towards it...

Nice place, for Texas. Friend used to live there. It has the single largest used bookstore I've ever been in in my life...

Blessed be.
Nathan Baxter

>>A suburb of what some people call 'the biggest shopping mall in
>>America.' Meaning Dallas, TX.

No, I've lived in a suburb of Dallas, and I live in Denton. Big difference. People in Denton have souls.

>>If you want to be technical, Denton is not a -suburb- per se; it's
>>just that the D/FW cluster of cities has grown out towards it...

A-men. Then again, that has its upside. The nearest good sushi joint is only forty-five minutes away.

>Nice place, for Texas. Friend used to live there. It has the single
>largest used bookstore I've ever been in in my life...

Recycled Books is by no means the largest bookstore out there, or even in the city. It may well be the largest privately-owned bookstore within easy recollection, but its distinguishing feature is not size. It's otherworldliness. There is a tragic shortage of good otherworldly secondhand shops in the world, and any place where the owner is reclining in a massage chair wearing silk pants and nothing else while college students are getting lost in the subbasements is a place you'll find me of a Saturday afternoon, let me tell you!

And never, ever, open the door set in the ceiling in the back room near the bathroom.

Mike Thedford
Dark Nation
Terribly off Topic

>
>>But Mac doesn't seize on kittens as deliberate avenues to win women's
>>hearts. Then again, he doesn't seize on anything as avenues to
>>anything else, does he?
>
>Depends. Mac used a legal technicality and a political situation to
>extract himself and some of his friends from danger. If Mac wants
>something strongly enough, it's difficult to say what he will or won't
>do.

True that. But that's just good sense. n.n
By the bye, is this the coolness of Mac you hinted at at AnimeFEST?

>>>>Assuming Alys Vorpatril survived Vordarian's war. Given that Ivan was
>>>>closer to the thone than Vidal, off hand, I'd say she didn't. But
>>>>only Kris knows...
>>Nan desu ka? I must be missing something UF-wise, 'cause she's
>>DEFINITELY alive in the books.
>If it makes you feel better, she's alive in UF too... her husband,
>unfortunately, is not.
She had a husband? Oh, yeah, Ivan had to come from somewhere.
Still, he didn't even last one book, so hopefully I can be forgiven
for forgetting the elder Vorpatril. The one that's not Falco, that
is.

>>>>Denton, never leave home without it.
>>What's Denton?
>A suburb of what some people call 'the biggest shopping mall in
>America.' Meaning Dallas, TX.
<Austin Lounge Lizards>
And I'm goin' back
To Dallas, TX
To see if anything could be worse than losin' you...
</Austin Lounge lizards>

Kawaii ain't just a privlege, it's a RIGHT! n.n
PS: The bookstore sounds kickass.

--Wren, too lazy to reply twice or even to paste