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#0, Our Witches at War!
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-20-15 at 00:55 AM
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-15 AT 00:57 AM (EST)
 
To start you off, here are a couple more profiles of witches who may be appearing in future episodes. The first is based on a real female pilot of WWII, which is something of a rarity in Strike Witches characters (the only one in the main TV cast is Sanya, whose "ace archetype" is Lydia V. Litvyak); the second is an adaptation of a favorite minor character of mine from another show.

Melitta Schiller
Hauptmann, Luftwaffe des Karlsländisches Kaiserreich
Captain, Imperial Karlsland Air Force
"Sturzi"

Nationality: Karlsland
Date of birth: January 9, 1923
Familiar: Kestrel
Striker model: Junkers Ju 87G Kanonenvogel
Weapon of choice: BK 5 heavy autocannon, BK 37 autocannon (x2)

At 23, Melitta ought to be winding down her career, and in fact she is... for certain values of winding down. Though she is no longer rated for combat (having, as is common, lost her shield not long after her 20th birthday), she's still an active test pilot, one of KG 200's best. Her specialty is what the Luftwaffe calls the Sturzangriff, "diving attack", in which a high-speed dive is used to increase the accuracy of a dropped or thrown explosive. Dive bombing has gone out of fashion - as a form of direct assault, it's dangerous, and there's no fallback position if it doesn't work - but Melitta is working on a revival of the tactic which uses the dive to stabilize the platform for a very heavy weapon, such as the BK 5 50mm cannon originally developed for the Me 262 jet Striker. She's also developed the first Striker with integral weapons, in the form of the pair of BK 37 37mm cannon mounted one apiece in the halves of her Ju 87G prototype. She's considered more than a little crazy... but the design does show promise. If it can be made operational, it will provide new uses for both the BK 5 (which was abandoned as one of the reasons the Me 262 V1 was too demanding to use) and the Ju 87 Striker model, use of which has declined along with dive bombing generally.

Since she works with weapons developed for the Me 262, that means she commonly works with Ursula Hartmann. Although they have developed a very close friendship in the process, the two - perhaps in a deliberate act of irony - always address each other very correctly as "Captain Schiller" and "Captain Hartmann".

Melitta Schiller is based on Melitta Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg, a real German dive-bomber test pilot - one of whose brothers-in-law was Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg, a key figure in the July 1944 plot to assassinate Hitler. (Schiller was her maiden name.) Her callsign is short for Sturzbombardierin, "dive bomber girl".

Dara Jane Ealing "Darjeeling" Bishop
Sergeant, Royal Farawayland Air Force
"Teatime"

Nationality: Britannia
Date of Birth: May 28, 1931
Familiar: Britannian Blue Shorthair
Striker model: de Havilland Farawayland DH.98-FB Mk 26 Mosquito
Weapon of choice: Cannon, Aerial Specialised, Mk VI (Mosquito)

Wilma and Lynette Bishop's youngest sister, two years younger than Lynne. Eccentric even by the rather liberal standards of the Bishop family. Like Wilma, she chose to join the RFAF, their mother Minnie's old outfit, instead of the Britannian RAF, despite having been born in Britannia. Would have preferred to be a tank witch, but the exigencies of war intervened. Calm, polite, more refined than Wilma and more self-assured than Lynne was at her age; she has a curious habit of saying things that sound like wise adages, but upon closer inspection are generally nonsensical. Her Striker is a rare fighter-bomber variant of the Mosquito (a unit more commonly configured as a bomber and employed against ground-based Neuroi): among the swiftest Strikers to be found in Europe and powerfully armed, but fragile. (Most of it's made of wood!) The Mk VI Aerial Specialised cannon that goes with it is a hybrid weapon that combines a .303-caliber Browning machine gun with a Mk II Hispano 20mm cannon.

Darjeeling's perennial nickname and radio callsign both derive from her deep commitment to the Britannian national beverage, which surpasses even her elder sister Lynne's.

(The connection is that Humikane Shimada, creator of Strike Witches, designed the Girls und Panzer cast. Note that this doesn't mean she doesn't also exist as a Tankery team captain in the 25th century! Parallel universes. It happens. And yes, I know the original character is really supposed to be Japanese. :)

Enjoy!

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#1, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by Matrix Dragon on Jan-20-15 at 01:16 AM
In response to message #0
>Shirley grinned and cracked her knuckles. "Well awright then," she said.
>"Let's get this party started! It's not every day I get to strip a spaceman."

Even the Tony Stark classic line a few paragraphs later doesn't beat this one. *Is still snickering.*

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter


#8, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by Droken on Jan-20-15 at 01:08 PM
In response to message #1
I expected she might be when I read New Tricks , and with most of the series watched, I confirmed it. Shirley is definitely my favorite. These lines just reinforce that :-]

Greatly looking forward to where this is going.


#10, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-20-15 at 01:12 PM
In response to message #8
>I expected she might be when I read New Tricks , and with most
>of the series watched, I confirmed it. Shirley is definitely my
>favorite. These lines just reinforce that :-]

Shirley's pretty awesome, and I say that as someone for whom the feature of her design that the creators intended to be top-of-the-list isn't. :)

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#21, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by Droken on Jan-22-15 at 01:15 AM
In response to message #10
Agreed. Not to say I don't appreciate that particular feature of her design? But it's...tertiary, really.

#2, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by Peter Eng on Jan-20-15 at 01:23 AM
In response to message #0
the failure of his XT-474 was so complete that its power-assisted limbs were not just dead but frozen,

Given how this episode ends, it's probably for the best.

"Let's face it, this is not the worst thing you've caught us doing."

Used properly, that line will always be funny.



I'm not much for reviews, so I'll just go with, "This looks like it's going to be fun," and try to wait patiently for the next episode.

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#5, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by SpottedKitty on Jan-20-15 at 05:58 AM
In response to message #2
>so I'll just go with, "This looks like it's
>going to be fun," and try to wait patiently for the next episode.

Ditto and ditto. Lots of good lines, an interesting situation, and plenty of stuff that was just plain fun to read. I wonder how much later this is on the UF-timeline from the events of New Tricks?

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#9, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-20-15 at 01:11 PM
In response to message #5
>I wonder how
>much later this is on the UF-timeline from the events of New Tricks?

Unsure. I put it immediately after New Tricks on the FI index and in the UF Chronology, but that was mostly for convenience's sake. I suspect it's really something like mid-to-late 2411 from G's perspective, so a couple of years later, but I'm not really looking to nail it down right now. There may come a point later on where the idea spot for it appears, and I prefer to be free to plug it in there when it does.

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#3, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by drakensis on Jan-20-15 at 03:27 AM
In response to message #0
Sigh.

Someone needs to remind Gryphon that he can flirt with the ladies after reporting injuries. Not that it'll do any good...

Then again, after 400 years maybe he's desensitized to penetrating injuries.


#4, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by Matrix Dragon on Jan-20-15 at 04:19 AM
In response to message #3
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-15 AT 04:20 AM (EST)
 
Hey, be fair. He hadn't realized he was bleeding out. I suspect that bantering with old friends would have been postponed if he had :)

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter


#6, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by cyberpagan on Jan-20-15 at 09:19 AM
In response to message #4
Or maybe he didn't realize he wasn't healing?


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#7, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by Croaker on Jan-20-15 at 11:35 AM
In response to message #6
>Or maybe he didn't realize he wasn't healing?
>
>
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#11, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-20-15 at 01:15 PM
In response to message #7
>Commander Fokker, please pick up the white courtesy phone

In the Golden Age WDF, blithely going on with your day evidently unaware of a significant combat injury was called the Fokker Maneuver, although in fairness, Roy did survive the canonical example; he lived until 2288, when (along with the rest of Jolly Roger Squadron) he met his fate covering the Prometheus's escape from Deralia in the aftermath of Sonset.

Anyway, there'll be a closer look at why G didn't seem to notice what was going on in episode 2.

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#12, RE: Our Witches at War!
Posted by TsukaiStarburst on Jan-20-15 at 03:36 PM
In response to message #0
'Not the worst thing you've caught us doing.'

If there's a better way to use this classic ol' line, I can't... hehehehhehehehe. Ehehehehhe.

So good.


#13, Graphical bonus
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-21-15 at 02:17 PM
In response to message #0
Occurs to me that there's no reason not to share these with the class. While developing the background for the Our Witches at War page, I ended up devising several variations on the standard Strike Witches magic circle. As noted in New Tricks, these circles vary from witch to witch in the canon, evidently based in the slightly different traditions taught in different countries (characters recognize particular circles as belonging to a Fusō witch, for instance, even though they don't know which specific one).

So:


Fig. 1 Standard Fusō witch circle (with Seal of Melchizedek)


Fig. 2 Zetan "civilian" witch circle (with Star of Avalon)


Fig. 3 International Police Organization witch circle (with "Pinard Star of Avalon")


Fig. 4 Wedge Defense Force witch circle (with WDF Delta)

Figures 2 through 4 are hypothetical at this stage, since as far as we know there are no Zetan-trained witches in the Strike Witches style who belong to any of those three traditions... but that's what their magic circles would probably look like, if there were. :)

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#14, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by Proginoskes on Jan-21-15 at 02:48 PM
In response to message #13
In Gryphon's profile in the "Old Tricks" teaser thread, he's noted as having a Fusō-style magic circle, despite obviously not being a witch. Is that an artifact of the whole "dramatized for your protection" thing, or did the underlying fabric of Dimension GCC #332/S actually go "okay, this dude has obviously supernatural abilities which come from a fighting style that traces its origins to Fusō, so he needs a Fusō-style circle"?

#15, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-21-15 at 03:33 PM
In response to message #14
>In Gryphon's profile in the "Old Tricks" teaser thread, he's noted as
>having a Fusō-style magic circle, despite obviously not being a
>witch. Is that an artifact of the whole "dramatized for your
>protection" thing, or did the underlying fabric of Dimension GCC
>#332/S actually go "okay, this dude has obviously supernatural
>abilities which come from a fighting style that traces its origins to
>Fusō, so he needs a Fusō-style circle"?

Either is possible, though it's more likely to be because he figured out how to project a barrier after seeing Mio do it during New Tricks, so the visible manifestation that comes with it naturally looks like hers. (Cargo cult sorcery. :)

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#16, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by Proginoskes on Jan-21-15 at 04:51 PM
In response to message #15
Ah, cargo cult sorcery makes sense! Dunno why I didn't think of that.

#17, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by The Traitor on Jan-21-15 at 04:59 PM
In response to message #15
Given what certain other properties have done with the magical symbol of an eight-pointed star that has one point stretched out beyond the others... yeah, that might have Consequences. =]

I'm not being serious, of course. Games Workshop's properties have no place in UF, with the possible exception of some of their expansions to the Tolkienverse. I don't even know if UF Earth is Arda or Arda-compliant, but I doubt it. Too much potential for weird...

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FiMFiction.net: we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have standards.

(also the theory that the Vashta Nerada are the Here is Arda-compliant if time travel is a thing so there's that)


#18, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by Nova Floresca on Jan-21-15 at 09:21 PM
In response to message #17
I dunno, if anything I would think the 40k Chaos Gods would technically be on the heroes' side- the Chaos Gods want mortals in their thrall to toy with for eternity, whereas Surtur et. al. want to unmake the universe entirely. Whether or not anyone would *want* to accept their help is another matter. Also, I would suspect Zoner would probably have an Icon of You Bitches Work For Me, like Horus did.

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#23, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-22-15 at 03:18 PM
In response to message #17
It's an interesting experience when the phrase in a post you recognize is "Vashta Nerada". Surely that's a thing that shouldn't ever happen. :)

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#25, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by zwol on Jan-22-15 at 04:57 PM
In response to message #17
>I don't even know if UF Earth is Arda or
>Arda-compliant, but I doubt it. Too much potential for weird...

I have a vague memory to the effect that in UF, Tolkien's oeuvre is a fictionalized chronicle of events that happened in Alfheim's historical past, he having had some sort of opportunity to visit. The only evidence for this that I can bring to hand right now is the character of Peregrine Took, appearing in Out of the Blue. If there's anything more concrete it would probably be somewhere in Featured Documents or else one of the Ask Gryphon Anything threads; I do not feel up to digging for it right now.

> Games Workshop's properties have no place in UF

I tend to agree; to import WH40K anything into the UF-verse, you would either have to turn the grimdark knob way down on the imports, at which point they'd just be another entry in the rogues' gallery ("yeah, the Klingons have had a low-grade war going on with the Orks since forever, both sides seem to like it that way"), or else you'd have to turn the grimdark knob way up on UF itself, which I doubt anyone in the writers' room has any interest in.


#26, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by pjmoyer on Jan-22-15 at 05:11 PM
In response to message #25
>> Games Workshop's properties have no place in UF
>
>I tend to agree; to import WH40K anything into the UF-verse, you would
>either have to turn the grimdark knob way down on the imports, at
>which point they'd just be another entry in the rogues' gallery
>("yeah, the Klingons have had a low-grade war going on with the Orks
>since forever, both sides seem to like it that way"), or else you'd
>have to turn the grimdark knob way up on UF itself, which I
>doubt anyone in the writers' room has any interest in.

It remains on the tabletop, where it belongs. GENOM tried to buy out Games Workshop, but decided the product line was too convoluted, even for them.

Certain members of Alfheim and Nidavellir like the Tolkien-themed miniatures and are known to play long-running recreations of Mythological/Historical battles as a sort of psuedo-proxy war to ease any remaining social tensions between the two races. Whether or not the Svartelves play is known only to them (as is what product line).

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#28, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-22-15 at 05:22 PM
In response to message #26
>Whether or not
>the Svartelves play is known only to them (as is what product line).

They play Blood Bowl, but they use real orcs.

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#29, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by BobSchroeck on Jan-22-15 at 07:21 PM
In response to message #26
> Whether or not
>the Svartelves play is known only to them (as is what product line).

Paranoia. Or Toon.

-- Bob
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#27, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-22-15 at 05:19 PM
In response to message #25
>> Games Workshop's properties have no place in UF
>
>I tend to agree

TIA, on the other hand...

--G.
That's actually a joke about a joke (the original was about Hello Kitty); I know only the slightest thing about WH40K.
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#30, RE: Graphical bonus
Posted by Droken on Jan-22-15 at 09:04 PM
In response to message #27
I was going to say, there should be -one- vague allusion to the Games Workshop products in UF, specifically from Nene.

And in all honesty? Probably best to keep it that way.

Coming from someone who -plays- WH40k, and reads (some of) the fluff.

What's the phrase in vogue? Not a good fit for the organization.


#19, Another Profile
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-21-15 at 10:56 PM
In response to message #0
Hannelore Augusta Ulrike Freifrau von Hammer
Rittmeister, Karlsländische Luftstreitkräfte
Captain of Cavalry, (Old) Karlsland Imperial Air Service
"Höllenhammer"

Nationality: Karlsland
Date of birth: April 12, 1901
Familiar: Grey wolf
Striker model: Messerschmitt Me 262 A-1A/U5 Sturmvogel
Weapon of choice: Mk 108 30mm autocannon (x2)

Baroness Hannelore von Hammer was a member, and ultimately rose to be commander, of Jagdgeschwader I of the Luftstreitkräfte - the original brigade of flying witches fielded by Karlsland in the First Neuroi War. In 1946 she's by far the oldest operational witch in the world, having defied the "Witch's Fate" for two and a half decades and counting, and has long since become the last of the "Originals" still in the air. Among the younger witches of the European Theater, she has a fearsome reputation. It's whispered that she maintains her power through sheer force of will. It's an open question whether that iron will or her vast experience has chiefly enabled her to tame the flawed and temperamental Me 262 Sturmvogel Jet Striker, a treacherous beast whose quirks have humbled more than a few of Karlsland's top aces.

Whichever, she's widely reputed to be cold and humorless even by Karlsländer standards: fiercely intolerant of the slightest fault, informality, or lapse in military discipline by her fellow witches. Many of her young colleagues would rather face the Neuroi any day than fly under the scrutiny of the witch they call the Hammer of Hell.

As a living legend and a personal confidante of Kaiser Friedrich IV (who, performing his family's traditional military service as Leutnant Friedrich Prinz von Preußen, served as her crew chief during the First War), von Hammer answers to no modern-day rank and belongs to no unit, but instead roams the Luftwaffe's area of operation as she sees fit. Her red Me 262 bears the old-fashioned Tatzenkreuz insignia of the Luftstreitkräfte rather than modern-day Karlsland's Balkenkreuz.

Tatzenkreuz, 1914-1925Balkenkreuz, 1925-


(If she looks familiar to the Fly Girls fans in the audience, that's because the animators of Our Witches at War are having a little joke...)


#20, RE: Another Profile
Posted by SpottedKitty on Jan-21-15 at 11:44 PM
In response to message #19
>In 1946 she's by far the oldest operational witch
>in the world, having defied the "Witch's Fate" for two and a half
>decades and counting, and has long since become the last of the
>"Originals" still in the air. Among the younger witches of the
>European Theater, she has a fearsome reputation. It's whispered that
>she maintains her power through sheer force of will.

So, she's so scary even the universe itself doesn't dare cut her down to the kind of power levels someone her age ought to have. Does 1940s Karlsland have a local equivalent to Chuck Norris, so we can safely say they're related...?

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#24, RE: Another Profile
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-22-15 at 03:21 PM
In response to message #20
>So, she's so scary even the universe itself doesn't dare cut
>her down to the kind of power levels someone her age ought to have.

Which is saying something, since that same universe had the effrontery, the bare-faced cheek, to try and demote Mio Sakamoto to secondary badass status.

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#22, RE: Another Profile
Posted by Mister Fnord on Jan-22-15 at 09:06 AM
In response to message #19
"Some say that she was built in 1914 on the orders of His Majesty the Kaiser, and that she can never die. All we know is, she's called the Höllenhammer."

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#31, RE: Another Profile
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-30-15 at 01:07 AM
In response to message #22
>"Some say that she was built in 1914 on the orders of His Majesty the
>Kaiser, and that she can never die. All we know is, she's called the
>Höllenhammer."

Heh. As it happens, Hannelore von Hammer comes from a very long line of witches - indeed, a lineage that is specifically named for its magical heritage. It was, after all, the 15th-century German witch Heinrikke Kramer whose spellbook, Der Hexenhammer (or, to give it it somewhat sententious Latin title - the Romans were stroppy about witches - Malleus Maleficarum), was the standard manual of European witchcraft from 1486 until Alysande Crowley's The Book of the Law was published in 1904. Whichever old Prussian king created the barony of Hammer presumably named it thus in honor of the prowess shown by the witch who was originally ennobled.

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#32, RE: Another Profile
Posted by SpottedKitty on Jan-30-15 at 02:22 AM
In response to message #31
>until Alysande Crowley's The Book of the Law was published in 1904.

<blink>

<snrk>

<falls over laughing>

It's fun to write up not-quite-as-you-might-expect DCs, isn't it?

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#33, RE: Another Profile
Posted by Gryphon on Jan-30-15 at 02:16 PM
In response to message #32
>It's fun to write up not-quite-as-you-might-expect DCs, isn't it?

Indeed it is. I took a course in late-medieval/early modern European history a while back in which we dealt pretty extensively with the witch hunts of the 15th and 16th centuries, and it struck me suddenly the other day that, in a world where witches are a) real and b) respected members of society, that old fraud Heinrich Kramer and his vicious stack of lies the Malleus would either not have existed at all, or - more entertainingly - have been refracted through that reality's prism into a force for good in the world. In GCC #332/S, Der Hexenhammer is one of those books like Dr. Johnson's Dictionary of the English Language or Vesalius's De humani corporis fabrica - out of date and not of much practical use any more, but still hugely respected and admired for the ground it broke.

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