To try and give poor neglected UF the attention it deserves, what is everybodies favorite UF story?

Mine is Split Infinative, although the Quagmire Project comes in with honorable mention.

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Cybertron Dreams is up there for me, mainly because it makes so much more sense than the complete mess the actual TF universe eventually crumbled into. To their credit, of course, the main goal had more to do with selling toys than concise and creative story and plot. ;)

Soundwave was always one of my favorite characters anyway, and I always had an inkling he was more misunderstood than indifferent.

Rite of Passage is up there as well, if only for Gryph's ED-209, who steals the show.

And when I get bored and go in to re-read stuff, I usually wind up in Doc's thread too--having little experiance with anime (most of what I know comes from EPU and the exploration I've done from titles related to here) I tend to get a bigger kick out of the stuff based on other sci-fi and such. Which is probably why I'm on the side of enjoying D.J.'s character in NXE, but that's a topic for another bloated thread elsewhere. ;)

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Hmmm.

As far as my favorite, hands down... probably most of the Redneck stuff. I am a big fan of his version of Washuu, as well as his take on the Jedi. And hell, it has the Goldfish Warning. How can you beat that?

although, yes, when I got out of the hospital recently and wasn't supposed to be reading, the concert scene in Core 4 got a lot of my attention... as much of it as I could see/ read without pain, at least. ditto large parts of NXE's third chapter. (and yeah, I'm mostly fine now, except for an outbreak of 24-point bold fonts to enable me to actually read what I'm typing.)

Ard Sumhenner
who put together a CD with "Carry On Wayward Son" soon after that whole hospital bit... among other stuff.
Ronin Research, Silicon Valley, CA

>Hmmm.
>
>As far as my favorite, hands down... probably most of the Redneck
>stuff. I am a big fan of his version of Washuu, as well as his take
>on the Jedi. And hell, it has the Goldfish Warning. How can you beat
>that?

With Justy Ueki Taylor, Piotr Miles Naismith Vorkosigan, and the reincarnation of George Hermann Ruth.

No, really.

At least, when I have time to work on it. It's making very, very slow progress, but it is progressing.

Redneck (BTW, thanks for the ego boost)

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>With Justy Ueki Taylor, Piotr Miles Naismith Vorkosigan, and the
>reincarnation of George Hermann Ruth.
>
>No, really.

Tylor. and Vorkosigan.

oh my Goddess. *thunk*

someone resuscitate me, please... in the sort of way that won't offend my SO...

>At least, when I have time to work on it. It's making very, very slow
>progress, but it is progressing.

Sounds like my own universe. It doesn't help that I'm trying to stay away from Eyrie-style fanfic and just to original creations. *sigh* It'd help if it didn't suddenly rise up and demand to be run partially as an IRC-based roleplaying campaign.

>Redneck (BTW, thanks for the ego boost)

Any time, good sirrah. :) I mean, hell, when the SO wanted to know what all this Undoc stuff was that Mav and I were talking to death, I pointed him at the Core first... and he totally lost interest.

"No, wait, try THIS one..."

Quagmire Project was what got him hooked, especially Kalen.

Ard Sumhenner
Ronin Research, Silicon Valley, CA

What? I get to answer this one too...

Of my own UF works, I have more that I find winceworthy than pleasurable at this point; but I won't be tacky enough to pick one of the ones I do still like as my overall favorite, anyway. As far as the UF story that's pleased me the most in any single incident, that would have to go to the first installment of "Hammer Time". It was the first non-WPI-written UF segment, and not only was I pleasantly surprised to receive it in the first place, I was blown away by Marty Rose's sense of humor and command of the language. He still turns phrases that make me a little green, though, like all of us, he's slowed down output-wise since those halcyon days.

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Yeah, Hammer Time 1 is definitely way high up on the list of cool UF stories. It's funny, has cool tech/transformers, and uses Darkwing Duck. :) Out of the more core stories, A New Beginning (FI) is pretty darn cool, just out of pure triumphant return type stuff. Makes me feel warm and happy, after the darkness of Exile.

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Hmmm. For me, it's a tossup between "Ronin" and the concert scene from UF4. Both were truly inspired, and I find myself going back to each, albeit for different reasons. Whose idea was that concert anyway?

-Michael
Napalm. It sticks to ignorance.

>Hmmm. For me, it's a tossup between "Ronin" and the concert scene
>from UF4. Both were truly inspired, and I find myself going back to
>each, albeit for different reasons. Whose idea was that concert
>anyway?

I don't remember who actually thought of it - it was probably one of the many things that came out of the creative session Zoner, ReRob and I had on the Alden Hall loading dock one summer night in 1992 - but ReRob was the one who actually wrote it.

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UF core, part one. Best use of satire, and not a lot of copying from anime series. Speaking of which, who has ever read Otaku Rising? That was a boring rip off if I ever saw one.

>UF core, part one. Best use of satire, and not a lot of copying from
>anime series. Speaking of which, who has ever read Otaku Rising? That
>was a boring rip off if I ever saw one.

Well, it was basically a remake of UF1 with a new location...

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>>UF core, part one. Best use of satire, and not a lot of copying from
>>anime series. Speaking of which, who has ever read Otaku Rising? That
>>was a boring rip off if I ever saw one.
>
>Well, it was basically a remake of UF1 with a new location...

You know, I don't think I ever read it. It came along during that weird period when I wasn't actually online, so the first I ever heard of it was later on, when somebody asked me why it was part of UF and I answered, rather confusedly, that it wasn't. Zoner, do you remember the details of that little contretemps? As I recall it got rather nasty for a while there...

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>answered, rather confusedly, that it wasn't. Zoner, do you remember
>the details of that little contretemps? As I recall it got rather
>nasty for a while there...

Only vaguely. I was running the USENet Anime FanFic FTP archine at the time, I think it might have been before RAAS got started...

A bunch of UF fans from another college wrote UF1 again, only with their group of friends and a flying UPS truck instead of my Daytona. (If we did it today I guess it'd be my PT Cruiser, somehow "PT Cruiser from Hell" just doesn't have the same ring...) At some point in the story they witness some of the events shown in UF, somewhat establishing that it is in the same universe...

Yes, there are many differences, but the basic plot is pretty much the same.

I contributed to the troubles inadvertently when, for want of better organization, I tossed it in the archive in the same place as UF. At the time I hadn't setup a clear structure, and UF was still embryonic, and I didn't think it was a big deal. I'd also done it with some other tangentially related, but non-canon, things.

Later when we started growing UF I reorganized things and clearly renamed it and kept it out of the UF subdir, indicating it was NOT part of the UF canon. I think it was one of the OR authors who didn't take well to it. But, frankly, I never paid it that much mind.

It is probably still in the RAAC archines, so if you want to scan it...

BTW, maybe we should raise the 'hot thread' threshhold... 25 or so?

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>(If we did it today I guess it'd be my PT Cruiser, somehow "PT Cruiser
>from Hell" just doesn't have the same ring)

I suspect if we were doing it today we'd call it PT109. :)

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OR is still on RAAC. I took a look at it and it really doesn't fit into Undocumented Features properly and it goes overboard with the weirdness. Lacks style to be honest. Although it does have a few good moments, I've seen better.

Matrix Dragon
"This worker bee does not express the opinions of the hive. Buzz off."

Just read it for the first time last week, actually. And I think I have to agree with most everyone. Derivative, not really in an "evil" way but more in a "that was cool, let's put on a show *just* like that, only imcompetently" way. And sadly, far too much thrown in that was "cool" and far too little that was plot. More things coming unexpectedly out of left field than in an early Twister fic, too. It wasn't quite fun enough to justify reading the whole thing like I did; I think I completed it more out of the kind of compulsive fascination that makes people stare at auto wrecks and "Plan 9 from Outer Space".

-- Bob

>Just read it for the first time last week, actually. And I think I
>have to agree with most everyone. Derivative, not really in an "evil"
>way but more in a "that was cool, let's put on a show *just* like
>that, only imcompetently" way. And sadly, far too much thrown in that
>was "cool" and far too little that was plot. More things coming
>unexpectedly out of left field than in an early Twister fic, too. It
>wasn't quite fun enough to justify reading the whole thing like I did;
>I think I completed it more out of the kind of compulsive fascination
>that makes people stare at auto wrecks and "Plan 9 from Outer Space".
>
>-- Bob

It's been a while since I read it, but I think you hit it right on the mark. I read it right after first finishing UF, and it just didn't seem as fresh, or as well written, or something. And the plot was boring. "Uh, gee. We found this nifty thing that lets us create powerful anime-based technology. Now the bad guys come after us. Now we beat up the bad guys. Now we sit around and look cool. Now the bad guys bosses come after us. Now we beat them up, too. Now the bosses of the bosses come after us..." etc, ect. Too repetitive.

>
>It's been a while since I read it, but I think you hit it right on the
>mark. I read it right after first finishing UF, and it just didn't
>seem as fresh, or as well written, or something. And the plot was
>boring. "Uh, gee. We found this nifty thing that lets us create
>powerful anime-based technology. Now the bad guys come after us. Now
>we beat up the bad guys. Now we sit around and look cool. Now the bad
>guys bosses come after us. Now we beat them up, too. Now the bosses of
>the bosses come after us..." etc, ect. Too repetitive.

Sounds like a video game...

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Darkness beyond Twilight"

Legend of Dragoon!

They need to invest in some better gameplay and stop ripping off Squaresoft.

>"Darkness beyond Twilight"

"Crimson beyond blood that flows..."

>Legend of Dragoon!
>
>They need to invest in some better gameplay and stop ripping off
>Squaresoft.
>

Haven't played it... but if its a rip off, I probably don't wan to:)

>>"Darkness beyond Twilight"
>
>"Crimson beyond blood that flows..."

Score! You know how long I've been waiting for my sig to get some reaction?:) <the /. crowd isn't quite as into anime I guess, since I've had it there for a while now too>

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Darkness beyond Twilight"

>>Legend of Dragoon!
>>
>>They need to invest in some better gameplay and stop ripping off
>>Squaresoft.
>>
>
>Haven't played it... but if its a rip off, I probably don't wan to:)

I haven't played it either. All I know about it is hearsay, but every intelligent person who's reviewed it has given it two thumbs down. Plus the descriptions of the gameplay are painful enough to make it not worth my time to find that out first-hand.

BUTBUTBUT if you like RPGs, the best one I've played so far has been Final Fantasy 9, which is perfect in every way, but sadly undermarketed unlike its two predecessors. I'm almost, almost inspired to write a fanfic about it...but no. Too lazy.

>
>>>"Darkness beyond Twilight"
>>
>>"Crimson beyond blood that flows..."
>
>Score! You know how long I've been waiting for my sig to get some
>reaction?:) <the /. crowd isn't quite as into anime I guess, since
>I've had it there for a while now too>

Or they're just too lazy to comment, like me most of the time. I do love Slayers, and I can't wait for my brother to get the Slayers Next DVD set.

>BUTBUTBUT if you like RPGs, the best one I've played so far has been
>Final Fantasy 9, which is perfect in every way, but sadly
>undermarketed unlike its two predecessors. I'm almost, almost
>inspired to write a fanfic about it...but no. Too lazy.
>

Hmm, I'll have to look into acquiring that. It's been a LONG time since I've dug into an RPG <FF 5 for the SNES {via an emulator + ROM translation patch, gods I love technology}>

>
>Or they're just too lazy to comment, like me most of the time. I do
>love Slayers, and I can't wait for my brother to get the
>Slayers Next DVD set.

I've been slowly amassing the VHS... which is why I am now extremely cautious about getting hooked on an anime series, those things are fscking expensive.

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Oh, it's that time of the month"

>Hmm, I'll have to look into acquiring that. It's been a LONG time
>since I've dug into an RPG <FF 5 for the SNES {via an emulator + ROM
>translation patch, gods I love technology}>
I am ridiculously obsessed with that series. I have played every FF except 8 and Tactics, and I have to say that each one has been better than the last. But if you're short on cash and have an SNES emulator, Chrono Trigger is the way to go. It's the game that got me hooked on RPGs, which I have been playing nonstop since last summer.

And yes, whoever invented emulation is my hero forever!

>I've been slowly amassing the VHS... which is why I am now extremely
>cautious about getting hooked on an anime series, those things are
>fscking expensive.

Oh, the benefits of having relatives with similar interests and well-paying jobs. The lack of anime at Blockbuster certainly doesn't help, though.

>I am ridiculously obsessed with that series. I have played every FF
>except 8 and Tactics, and I have to say that each one has been better
>than the last.

I really enjoyed Tactics. The gameplay can be incredibly annoying, and you can really mess yourself up by becoming too powerful, but the story was really fun, and the art style was spiffy. On the other hand, I skipped 8 as well. It looked too much like 7 which didn't impress me all that much.

>But if you're short on cash and have an SNES emulator,
>Chrono Trigger is the way to go. It's the game that got me hooked on
>RPGs, which I have been playing nonstop since last summer.

Yay for Final Fantasy Anthologies 2!!! When it comes out, it will have both Chrono Trigger and the hard version of what was called 2 in the US.

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Core #1!!!!

That is my all-time favorite! Although Gryphon's hisory of Cybertron was the first UF/EPU story I read, Core #1 was the first I read realizing what I was reading -- don't ask me to explain that. Anyway...

I started Core #1 late one Friday night (9-10, late being when the family started to go to bed) and stayed up until 6 or so the next morning. It took me a week to plow through the rest of the week (remind me to tell the short, short tale of when and where I finished #4 sometime), but what a magical week it was.

Still, Core #1 still remains me favorite. It, imo, grasps the greatness of the Wedge Rats, University Wackiness, computer geekdom, anime/otaku fun, The Dirty Pair, a touch of CyberPunk, and that Douglas Adams feel like no other fiction ever written. That's NOT to say that the others lack, mind you. Each Core and UF story is marvelous and increases the wonder of the universe, but there is just some spark of magic that comes from starting out. Maybe it's the sheer excitement of taking the first step into an adventure, opening the editor to write a program, flipping your PSX on for the very first time. Whatever it is, though, it's something that is very special and it keeps me coming back for more!

Static-Pulse
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>To try and give poor neglected UF the attention it deserves, what is
>everybodies favorite UF story?
>
>Mine is Split Infinative, although the Quagmire Project comes in with
>honorable mention.
>
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>Whoa! What IS it?!

Mine has got to be Twilight. I love all of it, but no other story line has combined virtually everything and everyone in the EPI umbrella like this story has. I can't wait to see how it ends!

Frank

** If heat rises, why does it get colder the higher you go?

** Why don't wet sheep shrink when they dry?

Same here. It has a little bit of everything.

Duck? What duck? Ow!

Redneck: Wilderness is my favorite. When Washu went 'crazy Eddy' something inside me made 'click' and the writersblock I suffered from was suddenly gone.

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Sanity is an overrated concept.

>Redneck: Wilderness is my favorite. When Washu went 'crazy Eddy'
>something inside me made 'click' and the writersblock I suffered from
>was suddenly gone.

Thanks. It's nice to know that people appreciate it when writers put characters through hell.

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It's so hard. PCHammer has some really good ideas and writing, Mr. Mann has some good ideas and thinks a lot like me, but I have to go with my favorite character - Gryphon. Whether in the Golden Age or far in the future, his style of being a hero without seeming to be a heroic person makes him very believable... and I think the others just kind of nodded their heads and followed suit in their writing.

Favorite _single_story_? Oh, that's just too mean. I don't know. One with Vaughn in it.

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You expect people to choose? That's cruel ;-)

For me, it'd probably be a tie between UF1 <wackiness at its best, and I wish my college had half the personality WPI seems to in that story> and Rite of Passage <It ties up loose ends in the core, has some great scenes, leaves you with a 'warm fuzzy' when you're done, and cures cancer!{ok ok, maybe that went to far, but anyway}>

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Darkness beyond Twilight"

Favorite UF Story? Hmm.... It depends on the mood I'm in. Right now, I'm mostly reading the core stories and Rite of Passage (A photon torpedo in a shotgun always gets me grinning) and I'll probably re-read Twilight when the next part comes out.

Matrix Dragon
"Insert quote here."

Well, I'll go with Gryphon's comments on this. There are some that I do find winceworthy, as he put it, though certainly not more of those than the good ones! As for a specific...yeah. Rite of Passage. The IBC sold me. Forget Snapple, -that- stuff is the best stuff on earth. It was a little combat heavy for the typical sneak-in-and-get-the-goods Shadowrun-esque story, but hey, no run ever survives first contact with the enemy. That's what happens when things go bad. After having seen the Judge Dredd movie again, I could wish to see Leeanna or Ichi again...but if all the work nowadays is in FI, they're both long gone. Oh, well.

--"I invoke the rites of fiery Muspelheim, and give thy soul up to the inferno's embrace..."

>again...but if all the work nowadays is in FI, they're both long gone.
>Oh, well.

Hmm, I could be wrong here, but Feeple is still around in FI, hence he must be detian , and I doubt severly he'd let Ichi wither up without him, so she is likely immortal as well. As for Leanna, I dunno, no life span has been set for Zardons, so they could be just as long lived as Salusians.

Did I screw anything up here, those who know more than I?

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Darkness beyond Twilight"

>Hmm, I could be wrong here, but Feeple is still around in FI, hence he
>must be detian

He is still around, but must he therefore be a Detian? You assume too much. :)

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>>Hmm, I could be wrong here, but Feeple is still around in FI, hence he
>>must be detian
>
>He is still around, but must he therefore be a Detian? You assume too
>much. :)

I mean, yeah, gee, maybe his wife knows someone who can help there...

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>>
>>He is still around, but must he therefore be a Detian? You assume too
>>much. :)
>
>I mean, yeah, gee, maybe his wife knows someone who can help there...
>

well, beside being the most obvious and generally simplest option, I suppose there are other possibilities <AFAIK, there have been 3 life extension methods mentioned in UF: Omega 2, RETRO, and whatever Washu did to Redneck. Could be others of course, but one must form a theory based on existing facts and evidence> In any case, I'd guess Ichi would still be around, since Asrial was fond of her as well, and Feeple would probably have a fit if Asrial didn't help her too.

<Nice Ep 1 ref Gryphon, BTW>

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Darkness beyond Twilight"

>Could be others of course, but one must form a theory based on existing facts >and evidence

That's too bad, since existing facts and evidence don't cover this particular case. :)

><Nice Ep 1 ref Gryphon, BTW>

... Huh?

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>
>That's too bad, since existing facts and evidence don't cover this
>particular case. :)
>

Now I have to wonder if the real explaination will pop up in the future <I hope so, I hate loose ends in stories>

>
>... Huh?
>

Ep 1, Star Wars Episode 1... the "You assume too much" line is used several times in the film. <I guess it wasn't an intentional reference... oops>

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Darkness beyond Twilight"

>>
>>That's too bad, since existing facts and evidence don't cover this
>>particular case. :)
>>
>
>Now I have to wonder if the real explaination will pop up in the future <I hope so, I hate loose ends in stories>

Maybe, if any of us thinks of a good way to play it that holds water with the others (and especially Gryph and Zoner).

For now, this is how things sit in the UF universe regarding the 'Salu Four.'

Queen Asrial Arconian, Ambassador and First Consort Jeremy Feeple, Ichikun, head Clan Ichinohei, and General Princess Leeanna Zard'al are all alive and healthy as of 2412.

As strongly implied by descriptions and activities in the various stories these four appear in (UF1, UF4, Quagmire Project, Passion, Die Hardly, Cybertron Dreams) none of these four have aged at -all- since attaining their majority.

They have NOT been prolonged in any way. (As of 2412, Leeanna is between 30% and 40% cyborged, but this is due to injury and loss of limbs, not aging.) Of the four, Leeanna ought to have the shortest lifespan (living on a world with very poor nutrition sources and a high background radiation level) and Asrial the longest (a Salusian can live close to a millenia with careful medical care, of which about 600 years may be considered 'active'), but to all outside appearances they look of an age, to within one or two years or year-equivalents. Even Asrial, who should be well into middle-age by her race's standards, is still in the bloom of youth.

They do not undergo regen treatments save for injuries- certainly nothing on the scale of the RETRO procedure. They are not mutants, nor are they Highlander immortals. They do not possess Great Rings of Power.

The four have kept any thoughts or theories they might have on the subject to themselves. Any persons expert enough to know the cause of their perpetual youth are -not talking.- In short, it is one of the UF universe's great mysteries.

The most popular theory among gossips in the UF universe is that the four will begin to age when Asrial gives birth to an heir. Of course, being the most popular theory, it is guaranteed to be utterly false. }:-{D

Any further revealations on the subject will, no doubt, be the subject of a story in itself, once Edison or Washuu or someone tells US what the secret is.

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>Any further revealations on the subject will, no doubt, be the subject
>of a story in itself, once Edison or Washuu or someone tells US what
>the secret is.

I think we might really want to ask Skuld and/or Teleute about this one. My guess is that the Four are just plain *needed* in some way that will not permit them to die until that duty is discharged...

which doesn't necessary involve such temporal concerns as a heir for the Arconian dynasty.

Good to see you finally made here, Redneck. :)

>Redneck

Ard Sumhenner
Ronin Research, Silicon Valley, CA

I should still think that it is possible that they have all received Omega 2. Since Queen (then Princess) Asrial was a junior officer on board the Wayward Son back in the early days of the Golden Age, she would have had access to Edison Bell and his supply of Omega 2. And since everybody and their brother was taking it (with the only known exceptions being Vaughn, Redneck, and PCHammer), and we know that it can work on non-humans, there is no reason that she wouldn't have taken it. After all, there is a difference between being incredibly long-lived and being immortal. And once infected, I seem to recall that it is possible to give it to other people (was it Secrets that this happened in?).

Plausible? Maybe. Is it what happened? Probably not.

-jrb
Jeff Bradberry

They -could- have recieved Omega-2... except, well, they didn't.

Take it to the bank. It's a given. Official. TRVTH.

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>And once infected, I seem to recall
>that it is possible to give it to other people (was it Secrets that
>this happened in?).

Omega-2 isn't communicable like a disease - once its work is done, it disappears from the system. It's supposed to be impossible to reverse-engineer from the changes it's wrought in the subject's genetic code, too.

Where the 02 came from that's mentioned in Secrets (which, by the way, is one of those stories that makes me wince and wish I could erase everybody's memory :) is a story that hasn't been told yet, but it's a lot more complicated than simple transmission.

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>>And once infected, I seem to recall
>>that it is possible to give it to other people (was it Secrets that
>>this happened in?).
>
>Omega-2 isn't communicable like a disease - once its work is done, it
>disappears from the system. It's supposed to be impossible to
>reverse-engineer from the changes it's wrought in the subject's
>genetic code, too.
>
>Where the 02 came from that's mentioned in Secrets (which, by
>the way, is one of those stories that makes me wince and wish I could
>erase everybody's memory :) is a story that hasn't been told yet, but
>it's a lot more complicated than simple transmission.
>

I just assumed he had some in his pocket... or at least the data to duplicate it in his Valk... Occam's razor

>I just assumed he had some in his pocket... or at least the data to
>duplicate it in his Valk... Occam's razor

See, I had thought he had some old hair or some such to compare to his new genetic structure <I'm oversimplifying a wee bit, but with sufficient understanding of just what genetic sequences do what things, gentic engineering actually seems kinda easy. {hey, I'm a coder, I figure once you understand the code, it becomes much easier to write your own, but my knowledge of biology isn't as extensive as it'd need to be to really know how far off I might be}>

geez, that became a bit of a ramble. sorry folks.

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Pay no attention to the man behind the keyboard..."

>>I just assumed he had some in his pocket... or at least the data to
>>duplicate it in his Valk... Occam's razor
>
>See, I had thought he had some old hair or some such to compare to his
>new genetic structure

My first thought was even WORSE.

CLULESS-created Omega-2. *shudder, twitch*

Ard Sumhenner
Ronin Research, Silicon Valley, CA

>My first thought was even WORSE.
>
>CLULESS-created Omega-2. *shudder, twitch*
>

Ugh... can you say 'deus ex machina'? I knew you could;)

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Where's the fun in that?"

>>My first thought was even WORSE.
>>
>>CLULESS-created Omega-2. *shudder, twitch*
>>
>Ugh... can you say 'deus ex machina'? I knew you could;)

CLULESS hasn't been able to create real-world objects since 1991. That part of its operational image was disabled.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/

>CLULESS hasn't been able to create real-world objects since 1991.
>That part of its operational image was disabled.

yes, but with the medical technology available at the time, all cluless would have needed to create would bea DNA-model for the retrovirus...

custom-tailored DNA, wheee

>>CLULESS hasn't been able to create real-world objects since 1991.
>>That part of its operational image was disabled.
>
>yes, but with the medical technology available at the time, all
>cluless would have needed to create would bea DNA-model for the
>retrovirus...
>
>custom-tailored DNA, wheee

Sheesh, I was kidding. ;)

Ard

Ard Sumhenner
Ronin Research, Silicon Valley, CA

>Sheesh, I was kidding. ;)
>

That can be dangerous with minds like the ones found here;)

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Darkness beyond Twilight"

>>>Hmm, I could be wrong here, but Feeple is still around in FI, hence he
>>>must be detian
>>
>>He is still around, but must he therefore be a Detian? You assume too
>>much. :)
>
>I mean, yeah, gee, maybe his wife knows someone who can help there...
>

Ancient Ninja Secret. She could tell you, but then you'd have to go to the Hell of Being Cut To Pieces. :)

Ebony the Black Dragon
aka Draco Draconis Ebenium
known to the Generic Order of Occidental Ninja (G.O.O.N.) as Aaron F. Johnson,
Senior Editor, Living Room Games
http://www.lrgames.com

He's human right? So to live that long, either:
a) he is detian
b) there have been some HUGE advancements in medical science
to allow him to stay alive (young?) for so long
c) he's doing that biotank regeneration thing r-type did
d) he's got more cyber than megazone
e) he's not really human, you guys just made him seem human
to mess with our heads

did I get close with any of those?
-------
Duck? What duck? Ow!
-------
Y. Michael Chang
Laguna Hills, CA

>He's human right? So to live that long, either:
> a) he is detian
> b) there have been some HUGE advancements in medical science
> to allow him to stay alive (young?) for so long
> c) he's doing that biotank regeneration thing r-type did
> d) he's got more cyber than megazone
> e) he's not really human, you guys just made him seem human
> to mess with our heads

Maybe he's another transformer. But then, maybe there is something completely different keeping him alive. Its not like these guys to stop introducing new technologies after all.

--------------------------------------
Whoa! What IS it?!

>Maybe he's another transformer. But then, maybe there is something
>completely different keeping him alive. Its not like these guys to
>stop introducing new technologies after all.

Maybe he just subsists on the life-forces of all those lovely young ladies who think the Ambassador's pretty hot. ;)

Ard Sumhenner
Ronin Research, Silicon Valley, CA

I know! I know! He is Kami-sama!
Either that or a shapechanger or whatever you call Odo from ST:DS9 in the original.
Or he could be the child of Godzilla and Bill Clinton!

--------
Sanity is an overrated concept.

>I know! I know! He is Kami-sama!
>Either that or a shapechanger or whatever you call Odo from ST:DS9 in
>the original.
>Or he could be the child of Godzilla and Bill Clinton!

Uh...ooooookaaaaaay...

As for me, I don't see how Ichi would have been given Omega-2. That's reserved for exemplary service in the WDF, and since when did Ichi join them? She's a human in the service of the Salusian Crown, I would imagine. As for her longevity, that's really an open question. If Shadowrun tech is canon, though, there's always Leonization. It doesn't seem like a very UF-style option, though. Too impractical, not 'deus ex machina' enough. But it's still a possibility.

--"I invoke the rites of fiery Muspelheim, and give thy soul up to the inferno's embrace..."

Omega 2 isn't only for WDF personal. In Redneck: Wilderness, a number of CFMF officers also get the Detian treatment. This is backed up by part of Twilight Part Six concerning James Joseph Condorcet XX:

>It might have helped to remember that he'd recieved Omega-2
>for heroism above and beyond during the GENOM War.

So, it's very possible for everyones favorite ambassador and his bodyguard to still be around thanks to Omega-2.

Matrix Dragon
"Push the button Frank"

>Omega 2 isn't only for WDF personal. In Redneck: Wilderness, a number
>of CFMF officers also get the Detian treatment. This is backed up by
>part of Twilight Part Six concerning James Joseph Condorcet XX:

Correct. From about 2100 or so on, Omega-2 was available only to winners of the Order of the Eternal Knight, the highest possible award in the UF univverse. The award is given to extreme courage and sacrifice in warriors, extreme accomplishments in scientists and peacemakers, in general to the select few whom the awarding body feel out to stick around a while longer.

>So, it's very possible for everyones favorite ambassador and his
>bodyguard to still be around thanks to Omega-2.

Except that, well, it isn't. }:-{D

Redneck

Red wizard needs money badly...
www.wlpcomics.com
White Lightning Productions - don't tell the Pope

>>So, it's very possible for everyones favorite ambassador and his
>>bodyguard to still be around thanks to Omega-2.
>
>Except that, well, it isn't. }:-{D

Well, it *is* possible. 'Cause, you know, none of the folks in charge would ever bend or break a rule and give O-2 to someone for reasons of their own...

And no one would even steal any or anything...

I am *NOT* saying that this is the case for him, just that there *are* people with O-2 after 2100 who didn't 'go through proper channels'. Don't know that we've actually written any into things though.

-MegaZone, megazone@megazone.org
Personal Homepage http://www.megazone.org/
Eyrie Productions FanFic http://www.eyrie-productions.com/

>And no one would even steal any or anything...

My pilot rocks.

--truss.
And that's all I'm gonna say about that.

>He's human right? So to live that long, either:
> a) he is detian
> b) there have been some HUGE advancements in medical science
> to allow him to stay alive (young?) for so long
> c) he's doing that biotank regeneration thing r-type did
> d) he's got more cyber than megazone
> e) he's not really human, you guys just made him seem human
> to mess with our heads
>
>did I get close with any of those?

Or he simply hasn't let it bother him yet. Death is only a problem if you let it be. Remember, she always says that you get one lifetime, but she never does say how long it has to be.

Ebony the Black Dragon
aka Draco Draconis Ebenium
known to the Endless as Aaron F. Johnson,
Senior Editor, Living Room Games
http://www.lrgames.com

"I can't die; my birth certificate doesn't have an expiration date."

>To try and give poor neglected UF the attention it deserves, what is
>everybodies favorite UF story?
>
>Mine is Split Infinative, although the Quagmire Project comes in with
>honorable mention.

QP honorable mention? Why do you rank it ahead of most of the others?

If I had the time, the other projects cleared away, and the testicular fortitude, I'd rewrite QP into a form that covers all the loose ends and follows through on so much character development. It'd be probably double its current size, and as it is only Wilderness and Twilight exceed it in length.

My current favorite of the existing UF material (released) is 'Rite of Passage.'

Redneck

>
>My current favorite of the existing UF material (released) is 'Rite of
>Passage.'
>

Is it just me, or do I sense a theme here? That story seems to be either number 1, or high up on, most people's lists around here...

<If this were /., I'd suggest having it in a poll>

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Darkness beyond Twilight"

>To try and give poor neglected UF the attention it deserves, what is
>everybodies favorite UF story?
>

What? Pick just one?

For humor, I'd point at Type Mismatch Error.

Core 1 is good, but the writing is - dated. The writing style is less polished than the rest of the Core stories. And if I read the Core in one dose, I always tear up when I read "SDF-23 WANDERING CHILD." So for drama, I'll have to point at the Core as a set. (It doesn't work if I stop for food in the middle.)

But I'm still wondering if Mr. Mui has anything more to write for UF. Oh, well. I'll see it when I see it.

Peter Eng
----
For of all sad words of tongue or pen,
The saddest are these: "It might have been!"
- John Greenleaf Whittier

But though chances lost may make one curse,
Never forget, "It might have been worse!"
- Peter Eng

>Core 1 is good, but the writing is - dated. The writing style is less
>polished than the rest of the Core stories.

I for one really enjoyed reading through all the stories and watching the authors style become more refined.

--------------------------------------
Whoa! What IS it?!

>>Core 1 is good, but the writing is - dated. The writing style is less
>>polished than the rest of the Core stories.
>
>I, for one, really enjoyed reading through all the stories and watching
>the authors' style become more refined.
>

Can't argue with you on that. But at the same time, it takes a little away from the enjoyment of reading C1.

Peter Eng
---
Born to proofread.

>>To try and give poor neglected UF the attention it deserves, what is
>>everybodies favorite UF story?
>>
>
>What? Pick just one?
>
>For humor, I'd point at Type Mismatch Error.
>
>Core 1 is good, but the writing is - dated. The writing style is less
>polished than the rest of the Core stories. And if I read the Core in
>one dose, I always tear up when I read "SDF-23 WANDERING CHILD." So
>for drama, I'll have to point at the Core as a set. (It doesn't work
>if I stop for food in the middle.)
>
>But I'm still wondering if Mr. Mui has anything more to write for UF.
>Oh, well. I'll see it when I see it.
>
>Peter Eng
>----

Well, let's just say that I'm not dead yet. :-) Hopelessly addicted to the evil 250 critters in my Game Boy, yes...but not dead.

Without going into too much detail, let's just say that you'll be seeing more of my UF counterpart's ordeals in the Dimension Hopping series, and some of the family in future stories.

--Doc (who really *should* be working on that fragging DH 2 story...)

>>
>>But I'm still wondering if Mr. Mui has anything more to write for UF.
>>Oh, well. I'll see it when I see it.
>>
>>Peter Eng
>>----
>
>Well, let's just say that I'm not dead yet.
>
>Without going into too much detail, let's just say that you'll be
>seeing more of my UF counterpart's ordeals in the Dimension Hopping
>series, and some of the family in future stories.
>
>--Doc (who really *should* be working on that fragging DH 2 story...)
>

I was going to settle for being philosophical about it, but thank you for answering. And I don't need the story...just the fact that it's coming together is good enough. I'll wait for it to come out. Or more Anime Detective. Or a FI story with DocMui. Or...

...excuse me...

Stop *whap* bothering *whap* the *whap* author! *whap*

In any case, I'll take whatever I can get.

Peter Eng

>Core 1 is good, but the writing is - dated. The writing style is less
>polished than the rest of the Core stories. And if I read the Core in
>one dose, I always tear up when I read "SDF-23 WANDERING CHILD." So
>for drama, I'll have to point at the Core as a set. (It doesn't work
>if I stop for food in the middle.)

Pardon me for being dense, but, well...

The SDF-17 was named for Kansas's Carry on Wayward Son

What was the SDF-23 named for?

cluless,
Nathan Baxter

>The SDF-17 was named for Kansas's Carry on Wayward Son
>
>What was the SDF-23 named for?

Bad pornography.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/

>>The SDF-17 was named for Kansas's Carry on Wayward Son
>>
>>What was the SDF-23 named for?
>
>Bad pornography.

?!?!

...

...

Oh.

>>>The SDF-17 was named for Kansas's Carry on Wayward Son
>>>
>>>What was the SDF-23 named for?
>>
>>Bad pornography.
>
>?!?!

Wandering Child is one of the translations used for Urotsukidoji. A subheading or something - been a while.

-MegaZone, megazone@megazone.org
Personal Homepage http://www.megazone.org/
Eyrie Productions FanFic http://www.eyrie-productions.com/

>>>>The SDF-17 was named for Kansas's Carry on Wayward Son
>>>>
>>>>What was the SDF-23 named for?
>>>
>>>Bad pornography.
>>
>>?!?!
>
>Wandering Child is one of the translations used for Urotsukidoji. A
>subheading or something - been a while.

Ah. ENLIGHTENMENT! <smaks self> Bad Nathan.

"What do you want on your hot dog?" the hot dog seller asked the Zen Master.
"Nothing," said the Master, and the hot dog was enlightened.

<Mental note: never everevereverever watch that>

Blessed be.
Nathan Baxter(Hasn't slept in 25 hours!:7)

>>>>The SDF-17 was named for Kansas's Carry on Wayward Son
>>>>
>>>>What was the SDF-23 named for?
>>>
>>>Bad pornography.
>>
>>?!?!
>
>Wandering Child is one of the translations used for Urotsukidoji. A
>subheading or something - been a while.
>

And here I thought 'Wandering Child' was just a synonym for 'Wayward Son'.
Actually, I think I was better off thinking that <shudder>

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Darkness beyond Twilight"

>>Wandering Child is one of the translations used for Urotsukidoji. A
>>subheading or something - been a while.
>>
>And here I thought 'Wandering Child' was just a synonym for 'Wayward
>Son'.

Well, it's that too. It's basically the same phrase, only a bit longer (much like the SDF-23 is basically the same ship, only a bit longer :).

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/

>Well, it's that too. It's basically the same phrase, only a bit
>longer (much like the SDF-23 is basically the same ship, only a bit
>longer :).
>

heh... a 'bit longer'? I thought it was more than twice as big... <now I have to reread that bit, damnit;)>

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Darkness beyond Twilight"

>The SDF-17 was named for Kansas's Carry on Wayward Son
>
>What was the SDF-23 named for?

Demons, Sex and Basketball.

Three different kinds of dribbling.

--
Geoff Depew - Mephron
"I think I sprained my anterior lobe just thinking about it."

Favorite story, hm?

Generally, my favorite story arc is the Hammer Time series. PCHammer is just the sort of guy I'd want to have with me when running into strange wierdness.

Right up there is Leap Years, both for being well written, having an interesting story, and retro-weaving through UF continuity without having to break anything or particularly screw with things behind the scenes. (At least, as I remember it. It's been a while since I've read some of UF.)

As for stories that star the Stars, I'd go between Rite of Passage and Core 1. RoP is a snappy, exciting action ride, along with techie notes that really make me want to write GURPS:UF. C1, on the other hand, has a lot of wacky humor that you don't get as much in the later sagas.

Geeze, I dunno. Regis, can I use a Lifeline?

-john, humorless toad
The difference between a violin and a viola is that a viola burns longer.
-Victor Borge

For me, it's Martin Rose's story "The Girl Who Knew Too Much". A real nifty adventure with a young Nene Romanova. I always get a kick when I read it.

Zack Seaholm - Anime fan, weathernut, worshipper of the goddess Belldandy.

"Trust is the wellspring of joy in our lives."
-Belldandy

I've been at work too long, talk about a mis-parse:

"Truss is the wellspring of joy in our lives."
-Belldandy

*sigh*

Tom 'Dreamshadow' Tjarks
------------------------
What Do You Get When You Cross A Snowman With A Vampire?
Frostbite.

>
>I've been at work too long, talk about a mis-parse:
>
>"Truss is the wellspring of joy in our lives."
>-Belldandy
>
>*sigh*
>

*SHATTER*

Zack Seaholm - Anime fan, weathernut, worshipper of the goddess Belldandy.
I'll be snickering about this one for a few days.

>I've been at work too long, talk about a mis-parse:
>
>"Truss is the wellspring of joy in our lives."
>-Belldandy

Well, he is a lot of fun. And he can find obscure things on the Web better than anybody else I know. And he keeps the share of rent I have to pay down to merely obscene. And sometimes women come to the house because of him. Which is kind of cool.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/

>>I've been at work too long, talk about a mis-parse:
>>
>>"Truss is the wellspring of joy in our lives."
>>-Belldandy
>
>Well, he is a lot of fun. And he can find obscure things on
>the Web better than anybody else I know. And he keeps the share of
>rent I have to pay down to merely obscene. And sometimes women come
>to the house because of him. Which is kind of cool.

The only time I've talked to Truss in the fan channel, he seemed rather quiet. Pleasant enough, though. I guess being the wellspring of joy in our lives is a bit taxing. :)

Ard

Ard Sumhenner
Ronin Research, Silicon Valley, CA

>The only time I've talked to Truss in the fan channel, he seemed
>rather quiet. Pleasant enough, though. I guess being the wellspring
>of joy in our lives is a bit taxing. :)

Oh, he has a hard time concentrating online. The Net is too full of shiny objects. His attention wanders away from things as ephemeral as chatrooms. :)

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/

>>The only time I've talked to Truss in the fan channel, he seemed
>>rather quiet. Pleasant enough, though. I guess being the wellspring
>>of joy in our lives is a bit taxing. :)
>
>Oh, he has a hard time concentrating online. The Net is too full of
>shiny objects. His attention wanders away from things as ephemeral as
>chatrooms. :)

...

...

...I'd growl at you for that, if I had any grounds whatsoever for denying the charge. :)

--truss,
who does not multitask very well.

Um...I hate mis-parsing stuff. I think I started something. Truss, related to Verthandi in any way?

Tom 'Dreamshadow' Tjarks
------------------------
What Do You Get When You Cross A Snowman With A Vampire?
Frostbite.

I only discovered UF relatively recently, but here are my favorites of what I've read so far:
Core 1: It's the original, and its got wacky WPI humour. Also, it's just cool to read it, then wander over to fuller to gweep, or over to the wedge to hang out, even if the original furniture is gone, and some jerks stole all the tables . . . but I digress.
Redneck: Quagmire: It's long enough to really get into, and the beginning is just something cool that could happen to anyone, well, if SW tech is floating around anyway.
Stolen Time: A heavy, depressing, but brilliant story, and I never had the pleasure of meeting the late Derek Bacon. I can't imagine how it must effect those of you who knew him. Scary to think about what it would feel like to lose one of the friends I've made here at WPI. After the other stuff in core and GA, it can be a downer, but a story that definately needed to be told.

>To try and give poor neglected UF the attention it deserves, what is
>everybodies favorite UF story?

For intensely (obvious) personal reasons, I'm going to have to give this honor to Stolen Time.

--truss.

>To try and give poor neglected UF the attention it deserves, what is
>everybodies favorite UF story?

It's a hard choice, as I tend to like all of them more-or-less at various times. Overall, though, I'd have to pick the Twilight Arc.

Let's just say the Norns have a special place in my heart (I'm a sysadmin/programmer).

Blessed Skuld, help me fix this program before my deadline...or fix my manager to give me a more reasonable deadline...hey - on second thought, forget the deadline...I like this whole going after the manager thing :)

>Blessed Skuld, help me fix this program before my deadline...or fix my
>manager to give me a more reasonable deadline...hey - on second
>thought, forget the deadline...I like this whole going after the
>manager thing :)

Er, you want Urd for that job.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/

>Er, you want Urd for that job.

Only if you want to deal with her bitching, whining, complaining, and looking over your shoulder for the next forever or so...

-Michael. Yes, Urd has been a constant pain in my ass for quite some time now.
Napalm. It sticks to ignorance.

>
>-Michael. Yes, Urd has been a constant pain in my ass for quite some
>time now.

But that's her JOB! lol

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Darkness beyond Twilight"

>>
>>-Michael. Yes, Urd has been a constant pain in my ass for quite some
>>time now.
>
>But that's her JOB! lol

Keep that up and I'll sic her on you. And here you thought just dealing with both Flame and I at the same time was bad...

-Michael
Napalm. It sticks to ignorance.

>Er, you want Urd for that job.

Actually, if I were really going to ask one of the three sisters for some retributive help, I'd probably ask help from Belldandy. Urd has some...control issues :) and I'd really rather not be in the same building as her when she tries to take someone out...

For the most mileage for least effort, though, I'd probably beg help from Eris. Although, on second thought, I'm pretty sure no one would notice any more confusion or discord around here...

Hail Eris!

>Hail Eris!

All hail discordia.

-- Sean --

http://www.thebrokenlink.org The Broken Link 4.0 is live!
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein
"It's not easy being green." -- Kermit the Frog

>>Hail Eris!
>
>All hail discordia.

what? all of us? at once? in full discordance?

-Dru'el the Chaotic

--
jer@gweep.net
Ceci n'est pas une .signature

LAST EDITED ON Apr-22-01 AT 06:28 PM (EDT)

>
>what? all of us? at once? in full discordance?
>

Now there's a paradox for you, coordinated discordance.

Alternatively, taken as merely coincidental simultaneous universal discordance<say that 5 times fast>, it would just be the end of the universe;)

-={(Astynax)}=-
"My head hurts"

"Girl who knew too much" <--- I don't know why. I like it.

and "Days of Miracle and Wonder" <--- Involves the Shadow (who really isn't Kent Allard, people. The movie lied; yes, it is hard to believe that Hollywood would mis-represent a pulp written Back in the Day of Shoddily published novels.)

Juun.

>the Shadow (who really
>isn't Kent Allard, people. The movie lied; yes, it is hard to believe
>that Hollywood would mis-represent a pulp written Back in the Day of
>Shoddily published novels.)

Well, no; he wasn't really Lamont Cranston.

--G.
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/

>>the Shadow (who really
>>isn't Kent Allard, people. The movie lied; yes, it is hard to believe
>>that Hollywood would mis-represent a pulp written Back in the Day of
>>Shoddily published novels.)
>
>Well, no; he wasn't really Lamont Cranston.

And give credit where credit is due: We mis-represent stuff here in Hollywood that was written last week just as equally as something written years ago. :)

------------------------
"We are totally fluxed."
------------------------
Chad Collier
Digital Bitch
J. Random VFX Company

>>Well, no; he wasn't really Lamont Cranston.
>
>And give credit where credit is due: We mis-represent stuff here in
>Hollywood that was written last week just as equally as something
>written years ago. :)
>

Heh.... I agree that Lamont Cranston is only a pale >snarf< Shadow of the original. I love Gryphon's plesant solution to never needing to reload... He has truly come up with Rambo's unending Ammunition!! ^_^

___________________

Vaughn doesn't know I exist. I guess this explains why the rest of reality keeps ignoring me as well. >_<

>>>Well, no; he wasn't really Lamont Cranston.
>>
>>And give credit where credit is due: We mis-represent stuff here in
>>Hollywood that was written last week just as equally as something
>>written years ago. :)
>>
>
>Heh.... I agree that Lamont Cranston is only a pale >snarf< Shadow of
>the original. I love Gryphon's plesant solution to never needing to
>reload... He has truly come up with Rambo's unending Ammunition!! ^_^
>
>___________________
>
>Vaughn doesn't know I exist. I guess this explains why the rest of
>reality keeps ignoring me as well. >_<

*snarfs*

sooo.. Gryphon, in this case, used a Deus Ex Machinist?

*G, D&R*

>>Heh.... I agree that Lamont Cranston is only a pale >snarf< Shadow of
>>the original. I love Gryphon's plesant solution to never needing to
>>reload... He has truly come up with Rambo's unending Ammunition!! ^_^
>
>sooo.. Gryphon, in this case, used a Deus Ex Machinist?

Heh.

Actually, once the real-life Android had come up with the idea for the hyperdimensional Pez dispenser, it was a real short trip from there to the idea of applying it to magazine-fed weapons.

Now, if I can just come up with a perpetual feed system for revolvers... :)

--G.
(precision transporter technology, perhaps... )
-><-
Benjamin D. Hutchins, Co-Founder, Editor in Chief, Netadmin
Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/

>
>Actually, once the real-life Android had come up with the idea for the
>hyperdimensional Pez dispenser, it was a real short trip from there to
>the idea of applying it to magazine-fed weapons.
>
>Now, if I can just come up with a perpetual feed system for
>revolvers... :)
>
>--G.
>(precision transporter technology, perhaps... )

Why not specialized replicator technology? After all, while practically unlikely, it would be theoretically possible to run out of ammo using the hyperdimensional ammo dispenser system, where as a replication system would have ammo as long as it had juice.

-={(Astynax)}=-
"The things can make food, flatware, and cutlery, why not ammo?"

>Why not specialized replicator technology? After all, while
>practically unlikely, it would be theoretically possible to run out of
>ammo using the hyperdimensional ammo dispenser system, where as a
>replication system would have ammo as long as it had juice.

Thing is, replicators still need a source of raw materials. This wasn't demonstrated in any capacity until Voyager, but the replicators use a raw material which it then replicates on some leval (molecular? atomic?) into the required template. So you'd still be able to theoretically run out of ammo.

(And no, they don't directly convert energy to matter. That would take enough energy to power a sun for a significant amount of time... even the Trek people had trouble bending the laws of physics *that* much.)

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>Why not specialized replicator technology? After all, while
>practically unlikely, it would be theoretically possible to run out of
>ammo using the hyperdimensional ammo dispenser system, where as a
>replication system would have ammo as long as it had juice.

I can think of two reasons why -not.-

(1) In-universe reason: energy costs. It takes a SPL of energy to integrate even a gram of true matter (or antimatter). Pocketspace lateral-dimension transfer is a much, much less power-consumptive device.

(2) Authorial reason: replicators are bad, bad, BAD plot holes waiting to happen. I for one don't want to repeat the mistakes NextGen/DS9/Voyager made by overplaying transporter technology.

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To which, let us add, that ID storage is a known trick for them, given their exposure to people like Washuu... Replicators would not. Not to mention that anything with enough umph to power a rep would be enough umph to power a weapon without it.

The HD mags, on the other hand, while they use power, it doesn't need to be at the gun end... the HD fold between the hoppers and the magazines is initiated and powered at the hopper side.

Which reminds me... Wouldn't a sort of gattling system work for a revovler?

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>Which reminds me... Wouldn't a sort of gattling system work for a
>revovler?

Not without modifying the gun fairly extensively.

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Good point. What I had sort of envisioned was modifying the cylender to drop one round and scoop up another as it rotated through the bottom of the arc. Unless you sealed the whole thing, though, you'd have a definate gas leakage problem.

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>Why not specialized replicator technology?

Magical molecular replicators irritate me... they take all the fun out of critical component shortages. :)

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>>the Shadow (who really
>>isn't Kent Allard, people. The movie lied; yes, it is hard to believe
>>that Hollywood would mis-represent a pulp written Back in the Day of
>>Shoddily published novels.)
>
>Well, no; he wasn't really Lamont Cranston.
>
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Yay. Another Supple Magic Screwup. Take note, pulp fans: this could be you, if you don't ready any Shadow pulps in 2+ years....

Juun.

Gryphon as The Shadow vs. some real lunatic as The Spider, Master of Men.

That's a fight for the ages. Might fit into the Exile as a fight between Gryphon and The Butcher, with Gryph not knowing it was the Butcher....

hmmm....

(If you don't know The Spider, do a google search on him. He was a Shadow-type character, but with less reverence for the lives of others.)

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I dunno.... I'd have to say that my Fav series in the UF continuity are Hammers "Thunder Force" Arc from Exile, with the core arc running a close second. There is just something about PC's quirky humor that just sits well with me.

Which reminds me... will we ever see more works from the Exile time frame? I wouldn't mind reading a bit more about gryphon's time as Batman...

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>Which reminds me... will we ever see more works from the Exile time
>frame? I wouldn't mind reading a bit more about gryphon's time as
>Batman...

Yes, I expect you will. At least I have one story that has been very-nearly-done for, oh, 5 years now... And another arc that will be backshadowed in the near future that I should get around to actually writing someday.

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>>Which reminds me... will we ever see more works from the Exile time
>>frame? I wouldn't mind reading a bit more about gryphon's time as
>>Batman...
>
>Yes, I expect you will. At least I have one story that has been
>very-nearly-done for, oh, 5 years now... And another arc that will be
>backshadowed in the near future that I should get around to actually
>writing someday.
>

Heh. Heh. Heh.

>>Insert instant fantasy of having all the Eyrie writers chained to word processors so that they could do nothing but crank out the rest of their stories.... Only to have the Experts of Justice come crashing in to 'free' them!<<<

Umm.... On second thought, forget it.

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>>>Insert instant fantasy of having all the Eyrie writers chained to word processors so that they could do nothing but crank out the rest of their stories.... Only to have the Experts of Justice come crashing in to 'free' them!<<<
>
>
>Umm.... On second thought, forget it.

Yeah, it's tough when your first great villainous act gets you turned into something they hose off the foot of Giant Robo....

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