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#0, Wild Speculations
Posted by twipper on Jan-14-08 at 03:06 PM
Based on the discussion here (http://www.eyrie-productions.com/Forum-docs/DCForumID12/393.html#29) and here (http://www.eyrie-productions.com/Forum-docs/DCForumID18/2.html#7), I begin to wonder if Utena et al are going to inherit a new command. Maybe to go after Kei and her captors?


#1, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Kendra Kirai on Jan-14-08 at 07:39 PM
In response to message #0
I think that that might actually end up as Noriko's ship...Excelion, after all.

But then, that's an assumption based on the source, and a half-remembered story about Noriko's 'Graduation' that may or may not have been retconned because of progressing storylines. So, you know...Mileage, vary, and so forth.


#2, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Barricade on Jan-16-08 at 07:17 AM
In response to message #1
All I can say/hope is that whatever happens, if we see Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann show up, that Noriko gets to drive. And instead of Virus, we get the version of Asuka we've seen in a tidbit in the Warriors of the Rim. The two top Gainax gals riding 'shotgun' for each other in a mecha larger then some galaxies. Oh. Hell. Yeah.

And on a somewhat saner note: will there just be a time-jump to the current date as of the last WotOR (or further), or will there be stuff filled in before then?


#3, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Kendra Kirai on Jan-16-08 at 03:14 PM
In response to message #2
I think that the chances of Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann showing up are...next to nil. :) Unless it's maaaaaajorly scaled down. I think Arc-Gurren Lagann is much more likely than the final Matroska doll.

'Course...now all of a sudden, I wonder what a quadruple-combo with GaoGaiGar, Getter Ryger, Dai-Guard, and Gurren Lagann would be like...all those drills....

(Interesting thing, incidently...Spiral Energy? Green (Simeon) and pink/purple (Genome) (I remember it as being pinkish at least...). Just like Getter energy.

Could it be...SATAN!? I mean...COINCIDENCE?


#4, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Rickdominated on Jan-25-08 at 09:52 PM
In response to message #3
Well, Getter Robo IS one of GLs Chief Inspirations I'd wager
But honestly, I'd wager its odds of appearing in UF as about as likely as Miki and Kate teaming up to pilot RyuKoOh/KoRyuOh.
Though, you have to admit. If ever there was a mech that was perfect for Kate, it would be KoRyuOh...

#5, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by MOGSY on Jan-30-08 at 09:21 PM
In response to message #4
LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-08 AT 09:25 PM (EST)
 
Some really wild speculations?

Anthy doesn't turn out to be the queen of sweetness and light everyone seems to think she is:

Admittedly, I didn't care much for the character until her half-svartelven heritage made her interesting, I'm not that familiar with the source material, either...but everytime I read any scene with her, something inside me says "I ain't buyin' it, and I think Corwin and Utena are getting taken for a ride"

Am I using this as an excuse for our main bad boy Akio, hell no, but I also don't think little sis is spotless herself, and I don't think we've seen all there is to see about either of them yet (re: Norse myth never seems to end happily - Volsunga, etc...)

Also, I think given the Chief and co's abiding love for Norse myth, the triangle of Corwin, Utena, and Anthy, with a child in the mix...whew, there could be some rough times ahead.

Granted I could be completely, totally, and undeniably wrong, but the thread DID say "wild speculations"...

Maybe it was just something about Anthy and Utena's wedding scene...something didn't "feel right" -


#6, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Barricade on Feb-04-08 at 01:39 AM
In response to message #3
Good point, although I'd seriously laugh my HEAD OFF if one of the Ragnarok Wave found this odd drill shaped necklace...

And then did NOTHING with it. Ultimate fake-out McGuffin.

From a non-WAY-OUT-THERE technological idea:
Gradius' Vic Viper, or the ZOE Version (Variable Fighter heheheh)
Mechanaughts from Exteel
A/G/I/M-Gears from Flysis

And my #1 on the tech wishlist:
Bolos. Imagine having a BOLO with a female personality getting inducted into the ranks of the Valkyrie.

From a non-tech POV: I'd like to see the magical equivalent of the Jedi/Sith. References to LOTR, Harry Potter, D&D, Shadowrun, etc. Then have fun introducing a fully trained Jedi/Sith Wizard....


#7, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by mdg1 on Feb-04-08 at 06:44 AM
In response to message #6
We've already seen Malfoy as a Jedi youngling, and various Tolkien refs have cropped up in Asgard itself.

I've asked Gryphon about magic in the past... I think he prefers to keep it pretty low-key. Raven is as powerful an adept as he's likely to show.


#8, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Gryphon on Feb-04-08 at 10:43 AM
In response to message #7
LAST EDITED ON Feb-04-08 AT 10:44 AM (EST)
 
>I've asked Gryphon about magic in the past... I think he prefers to
>keep it pretty low-key. Raven is as powerful an adept as he's likely
>to show.

Well, and some Asgardians - Skuld in particular - at the very least walk the fine line of Clarke's Third Law.

But then, I am under the impression that, in the UF universe at least, classical sorcery is really just an application of absurdly advanced mathematical constructs involving the manipulation of energy (and thus matter, which is, as Einstein has taught us, just a particularly sedentary form thereof).

--G.
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#9, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by mdg1 on Feb-04-08 at 12:55 PM
In response to message #8
Skuld's Corollary to Clarke's Third Law:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology can be debugged with a sledgehammer" :D


#12, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by E_M_Lurker on Apr-10-09 at 01:54 PM
In response to message #9
Agatha Heterodyne's version of same: "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from SCIENCE!"

--The Evil Midnight Lurker what Lurks at Midnight
"An object at rest--CANNOT BE STOPPED!!!"


#21, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Prince Charon on Apr-10-09 at 11:29 PM
In response to message #8
I think that's actually how magic works in Aa! Megami-sama! (though its been a while since I've looked through the manga), so its very fitting that you've made that choice.

“They planned their campaigns just as you might make a splendid piece of harness. It looks very well; and answers very well; until it gets broken; and then you are done for. Now I made my campaigns of ropes. If anything went wrong, I tied a knot; and went on.”
-- Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington


#10, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Rickdominated on Feb-04-08 at 03:22 PM
In response to message #6
>Bolos
Well, If you want to stretch it, Dan Dastun's Tank Brigade in Knights of Avalon: Great Justice! could be considered Bolos by the fact that they mount a Hellbore
Though a female pattern Bolo Valkyrie would have to be called Sheila
"Firing Hellbore. (BLAM!) Firing Hellbore. (BLAM!)" (How would that work in the naming system, anyway? SHL? SHA? Oh well, thinking to hard again.)

#11, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by The Traitor on Apr-10-09 at 04:41 AM
In response to message #10
You know what I'd like to see? (And doubtless the various chaps and chap-esses of the Ragnarok Wave would not...)

Earthforce shovelling out both Battleplates from Schlock Mercenary and an extremely pared-down, bodged-together, 285th-hand Culture G.O.U. whose Mind has gone... a bit odd. Even by Culture standards...

Those would at least be a challenge for the various human-haters of the Universe, if not an outright stumbling block...


#13, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Zox on Apr-10-09 at 08:25 PM
In response to message #11
>Earthforce shovelling out both Battleplates from Schlock Mercenary and
>an extremely pared-down, bodged-together, 285th-hand Culture G.O.U.
>whose Mind has gone... a bit odd. Even by Culture standards...

Yeah, but if Earthforce brought battleplates to the party, the Good Guys would simply have to phone up Emperor Colin the First, Dahak, and their happy little fleet of assault planetoids. :)

Then again, with all due respect to David Weber's Fifth Empire, E.E. Smith ultimately wins any war of escalation. When you do things like crush your enemy's homeworld between two planet-sized "nutcrackers" with opposing velocity, or channel the Sun's entire output into a directed-energy weapon, you are, as the old commercial said, playing with power. And that's not even the biggest firepower that gets deployed in the Lensman books, let alone Dick Seaton's solution to a bit of ethnic strife in Skylark of Valeron... :)


#14, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by The Traitor on Apr-10-09 at 08:52 PM
In response to message #13
Chaps like Colin I do tend to come out of the woodwork whenever the forces of good need a boost in UF.

Also, I think that every library in the whole of UF should be run by ourangoutans and Dwellers.


#15, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Senji on Apr-10-09 at 09:07 PM
In response to message #14
>Also, I think that every library in the whole of UF should be run by
>ourangoutans and Dwellers.

The Dwellers could be all over the UF Universe and we wouldn't even need to know it...


#16, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by The Traitor on Apr-10-09 at 09:26 PM
In response to message #15
Not Jupiter, though. No water. It's drier than an A-level physics textbook...

#17, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Gryphon on Apr-10-09 at 09:27 PM
In response to message #15
>>Also, I think that every library in the whole of UF should be run by
>>ourangoutans and Dwellers.
>
> The Dwellers could be all over the UF Universe and we wouldn't even
>need to know it...

In the interests of full disclosure, I should probably note that I've never finished an Iain M. Banks novel, nor started a David Weber one.

--G.
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#18, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by The Traitor on Apr-10-09 at 09:33 PM
In response to message #17
A gah, a geh buh bah bweh?

Thought they'd be your thing. Space operas in the grand tradition and all that. Then again, I really ought to know better than to try and second-guess your taste in anything.

Dwellers are basically hyperintelligent cog-shaped squidgummy thingies (the technical term) that liive in gas giants for hundred of millenia at a time. They're an example of the Slow - extremely long-lived aliens with a sense of time passing to match. In comparison, humans and the like are Quick races.


#19, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Gryphon on Apr-10-09 at 09:44 PM
In response to message #18
>Thought they'd be your thing.

Yeah, I dunno. I have at least one friend from college days who's a huge Banks fan, and I've given his books a try several times, but they just haven't engaged me. (As for Weber, well... I've read enough Forester and O'Brian, I don't really need to read 'em again with zap guns. :)

--G.
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#20, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by The Traitor on Apr-10-09 at 10:00 PM
In response to message #19
Somehow I knew this would happen...

Oh well.

Back to writing my massive Culture-The Algebraist-Warhammer 40000-Schlock Mercenary-A Saga Of Seven Suns crossover novel. Space Marine-filled Ildiran-built G.O.Us ahoy! With Barack Obama as their mighty captain!


#23, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by E_M_Lurker on Apr-11-09 at 03:36 AM
In response to message #20
You had me riveted until you brought Kevin J. Anderson into the mix...

--The Evil Midnight Lurker what Lurks at Midnight
"An object at rest--CANNOT BE STOPPED!!!"


#24, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by The Traitor on Apr-11-09 at 08:35 PM
In response to message #23
In fairness, I'm only using the Hansa and Ildirans from that particular series. No planetload of hippies in this man's utterly atrocious ramblings...

They communicate via bonsai tree. In the words of the teacher from Final Destination 2, "Sorry, but I gotta call bulls***".

How can they make sequels of a film called Final Destination? Or for that matter, any series with the word Final as part of the title? If there's a sequel it's not final, is it? Common sense...


#22, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by E_M_Lurker on Apr-11-09 at 03:35 AM
In response to message #19
>(As for Weber, well... I've read enough
>Forester and O'Brian, I don't really need to read 'em again with zap
>guns. :)

Oh, that'd be Honor Harrington. The Dahak books are (a) a separate series, (b) a much shorter series, and (c) rather more Doc Smith than Forester. Especially the titanic space battles toward the end of the second book, featuring an alien armada of millions of conventional warships versus our heroes' fleet of several hundred planet-size ships. It's horrible. It's madness. IT'S WAR!

...Come to think of it, Colin isn't unlike UF-Gryphon in some ways: a relatively ordinary guy suddenly dropped into a position of incredible military power and importance.

Anyway, I strongly recommend... well... actually everything Weber has written EXCEPT the Harrington books. Those only get a weak recommendation from me. Heresy, I know. :)

--The Evil Midnight Lurker what Lurks at Midnight
"An object at rest--CANNOT BE STOPPED!!!"


#25, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by McFortner on Apr-11-09 at 09:06 PM
In response to message #22
I'll agree about Harrington. They are OK I guess, but a bit boring most of the time.

I've read the first two Dahak books and liked them. And some thought Largo was compensating for something when he made the AT&T. I mean, a whole fleet of freaking war planetoids definitely mean business.

Another of his books I liked was The Apocalypse Troll. Man, the thought of the Kangas and their Trolls running amuck working for the bad guys can give you nightmares....

Michael



Michael C. Fortner
RCW #2n+1

"I smoke in moderation. Only one cigar at a time."
-- Mark Twain



#26, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by twipper on Apr-12-09 at 12:16 PM
In response to message #22
"Off Armeageddon Reef" was actually an interesting concept, and had great scenes of naval sailing ship fleet battles. Bit contrived and like the Harrington books awful Mary Janish, but an enjoyable read. Waiting for "By Schism Rent Asunder" to come out in paperback.

I have just finished my first Banks novel, "Matter". I can't say I enjoyed it anymore than I enjoyed any of the Peter Hamilton I've read.

Dresden on the other hand, would fit in wonderfully with the BPRD.

Twipper


#27, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by TheOtherSean on Apr-14-09 at 00:59 AM
In response to message #19
Weber seems to concentrate on Forester as his model, at least for his early Honor Harrington novels. I think certain aspects of his first ones take the Forester structure a bit too far, but I enjoy them as much as the original Hornblower novels. David Drake does a fine job with more O'Brianesque space opera, following some general themes and structure but creating a much more unique setting from the start. YMMV.

>>Thought they'd be your thing.
>
>Yeah, I dunno. I have at least one friend from college days who's a
>huge Banks fan, and I've given his books a try several times, but they
>just haven't engaged me. (As for Weber, well... I've read enough
>Forester and O'Brian, I don't really need to read 'em again with zap
>guns. :)
>
>--G.


#28, RE: Wild Speculations
Posted by Barricade on Apr-15-09 at 02:47 AM
In response to message #27
*chimes in with his own 0.02 cents*

I'll third the motion about the non-Harrington stories. Harrington itself is getting to be very. long. drawn. out. calculus. missile-spam. Much of the fun of the older books that had rather fun battles of maneuver is lost now that the battles are pretty much everyone lines up light-minutes apart and just does a glorified war of missile attrition.

Dahakverse on the other hand has almost -none- of the hard fact numbers that are present in the Harringtonverse. Instead its just giant moon sized warships against overwhelming odds (in the 2nd book) and stuff gets blown up epically. 1st & 3rd books are more a ground-pounders paradise as in the novel version of Heinlein's Mobile Infantry would all but fall over themselves to get their hands on some of the 5thImp's toys. And again, its mostly stuff blowing up in epic ways that doesn't require a 4 year college math degree to take in stride. Its kind of like Perry Rhodan-lite as a German friend of mine described the Dahakverse.

BTW - would David Drake's powersuits as seen in his Northworld trilogy be any good in the UF? The ones with the 'cut/shoot' energy cannons between thumb & forefinger. Compared to some of the stuff out there, the suits would almost be considered 'quaint', while in others (being able to use a particle-ish beam much like a bandsaw - think Sol Bianca) it'd be potentially quite nasty.