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#0, UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Gryphon on Apr-01-09 at 05:12 PM
LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-09 AT 09:45 PM (EDT)
 
The New Frontier is the title we've settled on for the next Undocumented Features era, which lies beyond Future Imperfect. Apart from Symphony No. 5 and Cybertron Reloaded, we've about finished telling all the major stories in the FI era - certainly all that are absolutely necessary to set up TNF. That doesn't mean FI's to be abandoned when those projects are done, any more than the Exile was when Crossroads came along, but once that happens it'll no longer be the primary focus - it won't be, as it were, the "present day" of the UF universe any longer.

Props for the title go in a number of directions:

The original inspiration is, of course, John F. Kennedy's address to the 1960 Democratic National Convention, accepting his party's nomination for the presidency:

"Today some would say that those struggles are all over – that all the horizons have been explored – that all the battles have been won – that there is no longer an American frontier.

But I trust that no one in this vast assemblage will agree with those sentiments. For the problems are not all solved and the battles are not all won – and we stand today on the edge of a New Frontier – the frontier of the 1960s – a frontier of unknown opportunities and perils, a frontier of unfulfilled hopes and threats.

Woodrow Wilson's New Freedom promised our nation a new political and economic framework. Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal promised security and succor to those in need. But the New Frontier of which I speak is not a set of promises, it is a set of challenges. It sums up not what I intend to offer the American people, but what I intend to ask of them. It appeals to their pride, not to their pocketbook – it holds out the promise of more sacrifice instead of more security.

But I tell you the New Frontier is here, whether we seek it or not. Beyond that frontier are the uncharted areas of science and space, unsolved problems of peace and war, unconquered pockets of ignorance and prejudice, unanswered questions of poverty and surplus. It would be easier to shrink back from that frontier, to look to the safe mediocrity of the past, to be lulled by good intentions and high rhetoric – and those who prefer that course should not cast their votes for me regardless of party.

But I believe the times demand new invention, innovation, imagination, decision. I am asking each of you to be pioneers on that New Frontier. My call is to the young in heart, regardless of age – to all who respond to the Scriptural call: "Be strong and of good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed."

This comes to us primarily because it's quoted at the end of Darwyn Cooke's excellent comic miniseries DC: The New Frontier, which in turn led to the equally excellent animated film Justice League: The New Frontier.

And, lastly, it was our own Chad Collier, inspired by the above, who suggested using it for the name of UF's next era.

So there you are!

--G.
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#1, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by BeardedFerret on Apr-01-09 at 09:30 PM
In response to message #0
Given the date, how seriously should this be taken?

#2, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Star Ranger4 on Apr-01-09 at 09:41 PM
In response to message #1
>Given the date, how seriously should this be taken?

Humph. I reserve judgement, but I should ALSO point out that while more than one of the Usual Suspects and Acomplices might consider such a joke, Gryphon himself is not one of them.

I have every reason to NEED for this to be for real, to believe. Its been far to long and hopefully this means that there is enough backstory filled in that its time to go forward once more.

And I like "The New Frontier" as an 'age' moniker. Kudo's to you on not only picking it out, but selling it to the rest of the Crew, Chad!


#3, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Gryphon on Apr-01-09 at 09:47 PM
In response to message #1
>Given the date, how seriously should this be taken?

Well, if you don't trust us, you can always wait and see if it's still here tomorrow.

--G.
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#4, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by BeardedFerret on Apr-01-09 at 10:48 PM
In response to message #3
It looks too serious to be a fake-out (unless it's an incredibly well done one, in which case good on you for having the balls to do it) but it's a hell of a day to launch something.

#5, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Chris Redfield on Apr-02-09 at 10:54 AM
In response to message #0
Well... I must say you all have been very busy little bunnies behind the scenes. I'm excited to see where this goes.
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#6, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by trigger on Apr-02-09 at 10:12 PM
In response to message #0
Go team go! Yay Team!

I look forward to the UFNF. Even if it could use a better acronym.

t.
awaits events

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#7, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Ardaniel on Apr-02-09 at 10:37 PM
In response to message #6
>I look forward to the UFNF. Even if it could use a better acronym.

UF:TNF is the one we've been using.

Ard Collier
that Janice chick
Usual Suspect and general menace


#8, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Offsides on Apr-02-09 at 11:30 PM
In response to message #7
>UF:TNF is the one we've been using.
>
Which, of course, is just one letter (both alphabetically and keyboard-location-wise) away from UF:TNG... :)

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#9, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Chris Redfield on Apr-03-09 at 09:34 AM
In response to message #8
>>UF:TNF is the one we've been using.
>>
>Which, of course, is just one letter (both alphabetically and
>keyboard-location-wise) away from UF:TNG... :)

I for one won't hold that against them. Their teenagers have all been quite likable (or you know, not likable where appropriate).

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#10, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Meagen on Apr-04-09 at 05:01 AM
In response to message #0
LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-09 AT 05:01 AM (EDT)
 
My first and only association is with Digimon Frontier. Which I haven't seen, but I have the theme on my MP3 playlist. And now I keep hearing the "we'll take you to the next frontier" line in my head.

(edited for correct tags)


#11, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Barricade on Apr-04-09 at 05:35 AM
In response to message #0
There are times like this I enjoy the fact its my birthday today. Its the small things (reading a damn fine series, and forget the new car, I'm here reading instead, which proves how smart my priorities are) in life that make it worthwhile. More stories, more UF, more absolutely mind-boggling awesome **** then in ten episodes of TTGL, more crossovers then literally any other series I know of (and done right!!!). Hell yeah.

Now if only we can get Len & Achika hooked up properly in the new stories.

...

Dear god, I'm shipping for a couple in -THE- crossover fanfic...


#12, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Peter Eng on Apr-04-09 at 09:30 PM
In response to message #11
LAST EDITED ON Apr-04-09 AT 09:30 PM (EDT)
 
>
>Now if only we can get Len & Achika hooked up properly in the new
>stories.
>

From the looks of things, Len has a chance of hooking up with Achika, Padme, and Emmy. I imagine him being towed out of the room muttering, "There is no emotion; there is peace..."

Peter Eng
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#13, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Verbena on Apr-04-09 at 09:50 PM
In response to message #12
>From the looks of things, Len has a chance of hooking up with Achika,
>Padme, and Emmy. I imagine him being towed out of the room
>muttering, "There is no emotion; there is peace..."

*SNRK* Oh, god, I can see this, too. Not that they or he would accept being in a polygamous relationship, most likely, but he might have as much of a harem thing going as Guy, or maybe even Tenchi.

"They say one should not speak unkindly of the dead, so I say, 'nice try'." --Lezard


#14, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Gryphon on Apr-04-09 at 10:01 PM
In response to message #12
>From the looks of things, Len has a chance of hooking up with Achika,
>Padme, and Emmy.

Bear in mind that Padmé was born in 2398.

(On the other hand, Emmy's a hundred and six.)

--G.
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#15, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Peter Eng on Apr-05-09 at 06:51 PM
In response to message #14
>>From the looks of things, Len has a chance of hooking up with Achika,
>>Padme, and Emmy.
>
>Bear in mind that Padmé was born in 2398.
>
>--G.
>

I think I missed that bit of information. In any case, Padmé is the long shot in that set.

Peter Eng
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#16, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Gryphon on Apr-05-09 at 07:16 PM
In response to message #15
>>Bear in mind that Padmé was born in 2398.
>
>I think I missed that bit of information.

        As she nodded in reply to Her Majesty's courteous greeting,
Achika had to admit, if only to herself, that she didn't really like
Amidala all that much. She was certainly capable and confident,
despite her startling youth - Achika had heard that she was only
fourteen Standard years old! - but her manner was wooden and
impersonal, and she spoke in a rather harsh, stilted tone that
reminded Achika of a poorly socialized machine intelligence. On some
days she was better than others; today her tone was particularly cold,
almost dismissive.

- Road Movie to Naboo, part 1 (September, 2412)

When she first appears, Padmé Amidala is as she appeared in The Phantom Menace, more or less. Mind you, she's been elected queen of Naboo; she's legally an adult. (And legend has it she isn't the youngest monarch Naboo has ever elected.)

--G.
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#17, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Offsides on Apr-05-09 at 07:47 PM
In response to message #16
>When she first appears, Padmé Amidala is as she appeared in
>The Phantom Menace, more or less. Mind you, she's been elected
>queen of Naboo; she's legally an adult. (And legend has it she isn't
>the youngest monarch Naboo has ever elected.)
>
Which leads to the questions of how she got into position to be elected (and even being electable, in the socio-political sense) in the first place, not to mention why the people of Naboo would trust the position of the monarchy to someone that young... But I suspect that it's a combination of Bellisarius' Law and "it's not really that important" :)

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#18, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Gryphon on Apr-05-09 at 08:06 PM
In response to message #17
>Which leads to the questions of how she got into position to be
>elected (and even being electable, in the socio-political sense) in
>the first place, not to mention why the people of Naboo would trust
>the position of the monarchy to someone that young...

She did really, really well in the fifth grade student government elections, and her political career just sort of snowballed from there.

More seriously, I suspect the Naboo culture is much more politically alive than we're accustomed to in the modern world - bit like the romantic ideal of ancient Greece, only with universal suffrage - and talented political operators are recognized and cultivated from an early age. (There are allusions to this in Attack of the Clones, but as the scene where Padmé is talking about her early career happens to be the Agonizing Field-of-Marigolds Scene, readers can be forgiven for having struck it from their mental transcripts. :)

Mind you, for all that they were quite rightly impressed by her poise, savvy, and oratorical skill (one assumes she only talks like a badly tuned AI to foreigners), I imagine the good voters of Naboo didn't expect that within weeks of her coronation, Amidala I would become a wartime monarch - a task which requires a whole different kind of brilliance to prosecute successfully.

Fortunately for the Naboo, she has both, and the Force is with her.

The thing about Naboo is that, unlike in the real world, politics is an honorable profession with standards of conduct, and the Opposition is as a matter of course both loyal and civil. You wouldn't expect, for example, to see MPs for the Splendid Isolation Party trying to cause public panic by calling Her Majesty's readiness to protect her kingdom into question in an open session. There's a lot of rolling up sleeves and getting on with it on Naboo in a crisis.

--G.
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#19, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by The Traitor on Apr-07-09 at 07:16 AM
In response to message #18
>The thing about Naboo is that, unlike in the real world, politics is
>an honorable profession with standards of conduct, and the Opposition
>is as a matter of course both loyal and civil. You wouldn't expect,
>for example, to see MPs for the Splendid Isolation Party trying to
>cause public panic by calling Her Majesty's readiness to protect her
>kingdom into question in an open session. There's a lot of rolling up
>sleeves and getting on with it on Naboo in a crisis.

It seems to me that Gryphon is portraying Nabooese government as a hybrid of the romantic notions of governance in Bronze Age Greece and the UK. Which is, of course, no bad thing. So long as Padmé is not replaced by an overweight, dour chap with a thick Scottish accent and an economic brain to rival most supercomputers...


#20, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Star Ranger4 on Apr-07-09 at 11:02 AM
In response to message #19
LAST EDITED ON Apr-07-09 AT 11:02 AM (EDT)
 
> Thank the gods Twilight hasn't made an entrance yet.
> And if it does EVER I will eat my own hair.

Kind of depends... did you mean "bishie sparkles" Twilight? if so, your probobly right, cause around here Twilight has a totally different connotation. Indeed, allow me to refer you to This story to see what WE mean by "Twilight, events therin"


#21, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Prince Charon on Apr-07-09 at 10:29 PM
In response to message #20
Well worth reading, IMHO. Also much, MUCH cooler than the sparkly emopires.

“They planned their campaigns just as you might make a splendid piece of harness. It looks very well; and answers very well; until it gets broken; and then you are done for. Now I made my campaigns of ropes. If anything went wrong, I tied a knot; and went on.”
-- Arthur Wellesley, First Duke of Wellington


#22, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by The Traitor on Apr-09-09 at 07:13 PM
In response to message #21
Yeah, I did mean Steph Meyers' festival of antifeminism.

Unless, of course, several members of the cast are found horriffically murdered in an abandoned warehouse...

I can supply details if required. PLEASE let me supply details...


#23, RE: UF: The New Frontier
Posted by Gryphon on Apr-09-09 at 07:46 PM
In response to message #22
>I can supply details if required. PLEASE let me supply details...

I don't think that will be necessary.

Also, in retrospect it becomes obvious that I should've locked this thread when I made the initial post; not because I'm against the idea of general New Frontier discussion, 'cause I'm not, but because the anchored post was meant as an announcement, and as such it's an awkward place for this sort of thing.

--G.
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