Thinking about Kate's freindships with Utena & Gang, I got to thinking about Omega 2, and what was gonna happen in about 20 years, when the U&G are all aging(mid thirties) and Kate is a spry little youth still... Could she convince her parents that Utena at least deserves O2, or will that just be one of the things that she learns to deal with as she ages? I'm just asking, 'cause her parents didn't really have to deal with that (All their friends (with exception to fritz and haywire) were O2 with the start of the WDF...) or am I just smoking crack, and worrying too much here?

--
-Pasha
Umm, right....I'll be with you in just a sec now...

>Thinking about Kate's freindships with Utena & Gang, I got to thinking
>about Omega 2, and what was gonna happen in about 20 years, when the
>U&G are all aging(mid thirties) and Kate is a spry little youth
>still... Could she convince her parents that Utena at least deserves
>O2, or will that just be one of the things that she learns to deal
>with as she ages? I'm just asking, 'cause her parents didn't really
>have to deal with that (All their friends (with exception to fritz and
>haywire) were O2 with the start of the WDF...) or am I just smoking
>crack, and worrying too much here?

You're worrying too much. I dunno if you've noticed, but Utena Tenjou isn't exactly normal. :)

--G.
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>You're worrying too much. I dunno if you've noticed, but Utena Tenjou
>isn't exactly normal. :)

is it another ability related to the Power of Dios??

Pangaro, Or is it limited to throw people flying into a koi pond??
Member of the Narn Bat Squad

>>You're worrying too much. I dunno if you've noticed, but Utena Tenjou
>>isn't exactly normal. :)
>
> is it another ability related to the Power of Dios??

Mm... sort of, peripherally.

--G.
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>You're worrying too much. I dunno if you've noticed, but Utena Tenjou
>isn't exactly normal. :)

moose, devlin, amanda, azalynn???
what about her other friends??

>>You're worrying too much. I dunno if you've noticed, but Utena Tenjou
>>isn't exactly normal. :)
>
>moose, devlin, amanda, azalynn???
>what about her other friends??

Let me put it this way:

It's taken me four months of more-intensive-than-usual creativity to get them from late August 2404 to late February 2405.

I don't think we're really going to have to worry all that much about Devlin Carter's old age.

--G.
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>It's taken me four months of more-intensive-than-usual creativity to
>get them from late August 2404 to late February 2405.
>I don't think we're really going to have to worry all that much about
>Devlin Carter's old age.

ok, just curious if you'd even considered it

>>It's taken me four months of more-intensive-than-usual creativity to
>>get them from late August 2404 to late February 2405.
>>I don't think we're really going to have to worry all that much about
>>Devlin Carter's old age.
>
>ok, just curious if you'd even considered it

yeah, I've considered it. I even have a vague idea how it'd probably work. I'm just not dwelling on it at any length, because I rather doubt I'll ever need it. I've got a lot of work ahead of me just to get to the latest piece of their lives I currently have in my mind, which is in about 2420.

--G.
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<response time in minutes>

what are you doing, camping this?

><response time in minutes>
>
>what are you doing, camping this?

I've got a browser window open to the forums, I work on other stuff, I hit 'reload' every now and then. Nothing too exciting.

--G.
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>>>You're worrying too much. I dunno if you've noticed, but Utena Tenjou
>>>isn't exactly normal. :)
>>
>>moose, devlin, amanda, azalynn???
>>what about her other friends??
>
>Let me put it this way:
>
>It's taken me four months of more-intensive-than-usual creativity to
>get them from late August 2404 to late February 2405.
>
>I don't think we're really going to have to worry all that much about
>Devlin Carter's old age.

Yes, but with 10 years (hey! you guys are a decade old this year!) of normal speed work (averages out in the end) you've made it through 400 years, plus 2ish in another universe, plus 2ish in another universe, plus, well, 2ish in yet another, plus 3 weeks in another, plus about a week in another (but boy, was it a packed week.) I figure that you guys have at least another decade worth of words in you, so UF should be in 28XX, HL in 2045, WL in 1997, NXE:tM should be out, we should have 2 more ep's of GW, and maybe a couple more of .45CA

--
-Pasha
Umm, right....I'll be with you in just a sec now...

>>Thinking about Kate's freindships with Utena & Gang, I got to thinking
>>about Omega 2, and what was gonna happen in about 20 years, when the
>>U&G are all aging(mid thirties) and Kate is a spry little youth
>>still... Could she convince her parents that Utena at least deserves
>>O2, or will that just be one of the things that she learns to deal
>>with as she ages? I'm just asking, 'cause her parents didn't really
>>have to deal with that (All their friends (with exception to fritz and
>>haywire) were O2 with the start of the WDF...) or am I just smoking
>>crack, and worrying too much here?
>
>You're worrying too much. I dunno if you've noticed, but Utena Tenjou
>isn't exactly normal. :)

Hey, that's what happens when you just sort of unhook the inhibitors in my mind..I think about those little oddball things.
--
-Pasha
Umm, right....I'll be with you in just a sec now...

>Thinking about Kate's freindships with Utena & Gang, I got to thinking
>about Omega 2, and what was gonna happen in about 20 years, when the
>U&G are all aging(mid thirties) and Kate is a spry little youth
>still... Could she convince her parents that Utena at least deserves
>O2, or will that just be one of the things that she learns to deal
>with as she ages? I'm just asking, 'cause her parents didn't really
>have to deal with that (All their friends (with exception to fritz and
>haywire) were O2 with the start of the WDF...) or am I just smoking
>crack, and worrying too much here?
>
>--
>-Pasha
>Umm, right....I'll be with you in just a sec now...

1: Omega-2 is kept to a select few for very good reasons (it was rather foolish to give it to the entire SDF-17 crew). Back with the WDF (after UF3), it was only given as a high honor.

2: Using Omega-2 to prevent aging is overkill. In the world of UF, there are a myriad of ways to prevent aging. Some of them are even legal.

--rR

>2: Using Omega-2 to prevent aging is overkill. In the world of UF,
>there are a myriad of ways to prevent aging. Some of them are even
>legal.

If memory serves, that's how R-Type is still alive in 2404 and here's a quote from Redneck: Wilderness which I belive mentions at least two more methods to prevent aging.

        Kris' eyes teared up as his father continued, "It's been one
helluva ride, hasn't it? Two wars, more jobs than you could shake a
stick at... I've had my time, son, and it's been fun. Oh, I could go
in and have the surgery, take the retrovirus and live another forty
years, or get a cyborg body and live however long I liked... but why?
Son, it's time for me to rest. I'm gonna go naturally, at home,
probably in my sleep... the way I was intended to.

Pangaro, And besides "Who wants to live forever?"
Member of the Narn Bat Squad

>Pangaro, And besides "Who wants to live forever?"

I do, actually.

--truss,
not without some reservations, but on balance, after a lot of thought... yes.

>>Pangaro, And besides "Who wants to live forever?"
>
>I do, actually.

"...but what the hell."

>not without some reservations, but on balance, after a lot of
>thought... yes.

Patrick Chester
"...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"

>>not without some reservations, but on balance, after a lot of
>>thought... yes.
>
>
>Patrick Chester
>"...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"

They probably could, but I rather doubt you'd apprecieate the results...

-Z

---
We are Dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.

>>>not without some reservations, but on balance, after a lot of
>>>thought... yes.
>>
>>
>>Patrick Chester
>>"...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"
>
>They probably could, but I rather doubt you'd apprecieate the
>results...

Actually, they couldn't. Londo arranged it, and Vir did appear to appreciate the results. ;)

Patrick Chester
"...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"

>>Pangaro, And besides "Who wants to live forever?"
>
>I do, actually.

After hearing <Damm I Forgot His Name>'s legend I don't. He was inmortal, but he kept aging at a normal rate. EEK!

Pangaro, Can you say "Living 300 year old Corpse"?
Member of the Narn Bat Squad

> After hearing <Damm I Forgot His Name>'s legend I don't. He was
>inmortal, but he kept aging at a normal rate. EEK!

I dunno which one you're thinking of, the one that I thought of was Tithonus, who was beloved by Eos, goddess of Dawn. She asked Zeus for eternal life without eternal youth, and ended up with a grasshopper for a husband.

-- Juniper
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"Fac me cocleario vomere!"
-- Onatah, on NE:CiF MUSH

>> After hearing <Damm I Forgot His Name>'s legend I don't. He was
>>inmortal, but he kept aging at a normal rate. EEK!
>
>I dunno which one you're thinking of, the one that I thought of was
>Tithonus, who was beloved by Eos, goddess of Dawn. She asked Zeus for
>eternal life without eternal youth, and ended up with a grasshopper
>for a husband.

Yep, that's him

Pangaro, I'm bad with names
Member of the Narn Bat Squad

>>Pangaro, And besides "Who wants to live forever?"
>
>I do, actually.
>
>--truss,
>not without some reservations, but on balance, after a lot of
>thought... yes.

I'm not sure if I want to live forever, however I plan to live forever, or die trying... :)

Offsides

#include <immortality.h>

>>>Pangaro, And besides "Who wants to live forever?"
>>
>>I do, actually.
>>
>>--truss,
>>not without some reservations, but on balance, after a lot of
>>thought... yes.
>
>I'm not sure if I want to live forever, however I plan
>to live forever, or die trying... :)
>

Baring that, a couple of thousand years would be nice.

drakensisthered

So I simply said one of the great trite truths: "There is generally more than one side to a story." - Corwin, Roger Zelazny's 'Courts of Chaos'

>Baring that, a couple of thousand years would be nice.
>
>drakensisthered
>

My sentiments exactly . With a few extras like ,
perchance , something like the Deitian effect .

-Griever
dreaming on , hoping not to be waken too rudely .

>>>>Pangaro, And besides "Who wants to live forever?"
>>>
>>>I do, actually.
>>>
>>>--truss,
>>>not without some reservations, but on balance, after a lot of
>>>thought... yes.
>>
>>I'm not sure if I want to live forever, however I plan
>>to live forever, or die trying... :)
>>
>
>Baring that, a couple of thousand years would be nice.
So, am I alone in wanting to live a nice, long human life, (80-100 years, tops) then give up, and see what's next?
--
-Pasha
Eyrie is Mother, Eyrie is Father.

>So, am I alone in wanting to live a nice, long human life, (80-100
>years, tops) then give up, and see what's next?
>--
>-Pasha

Nope. Why the hell would I want to stretch out my life so much? I'm thinking 150 at the outside. Live forever? Hell no.

-- Sean --

http://www.thebrokenlink.org The Broken Link 4.0 is live!
"All tribal myths are true, for a given value of 'true'." -- Terry Pratchett
Follow my random thoughts
Follow my creative process

>>So, am I alone in wanting to live a nice, long human life, (80-100
>>years, tops) then give up, and see what's next?
>
>Nope. Why the hell would I want to stretch out my life so much? I'm
>thinking 150 at the outside. Live forever? Hell no.

(Shocking, I agree with Laudre about something)
Yeah. I mean, I don't know how many of you have had a loved one die, but I just don't think that I could stand having them *all* die, and me just be young and spry. And I'm not so selfish that I would give all of my friends and family an immortality treatment. That, and we're out growing the earth as is, so until he have more area for living space, I just don't see why I should trouble us with one more person.)

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-Pasha
Umm, right....I'll be with you in just a sec now...

>Yeah. I mean, I don't know how many of you have had a loved one die,
>but I just don't think that I could stand having them *all* die, and
>me just be young and spry.

There's that.

> And I'm not so selfish that I would give
>all of my friends and family an immortality treatment. That, and
>we're out growing the earth as is, so until he have more area for
>living space, I just don't see why I should trouble us with one more
>person.)

That too.

And I've already had a loved one die; I shan't recount that here, but I know that there will be others in the future, and that they shall grow with frequency as I grow older. But that's not even it.

There's two driving forces, I think, that determine when one is ready to die: there's the eagerness for new experiences, and the weariness of life. There's many things yet that I want to accomplish in my life; some are specific, and, as such, readibly achievable; others are more vague and indistinct. So I'm not ready to die. Yet already my soul is weary and tired; I can feel it at times, like I've been through this so many times already and I accept the necessity of repetition for the sake of rare novelty. Some day, perhaps far off in the future, perhaps much closer than I could possibly realize, my weariness will have outgrown my eagerness, and I'll be ready hang it up and rest in whatever lies beyond, whether it's the Summerlands or Valhalla or a great sweat lodge or whatever else it might be. I believe -- no, more than believe, I know -- that while this life is its own, a self-contained experience, the essence that defines me will return again, to once again partake in the ebb and flow of the waking world.

I'm not at all afraid of dying. I'm just not ready for it yet.

-- Sean --

http://www.thebrokenlink.org The Broken Link 4.0 is live!
"All tribal myths are true, for a given value of 'true'." -- Terry Pratchett
Follow my random thoughts
Follow my creative process

>So, am I alone in wanting to live a nice, long human life, (80-100
>years, tops) then give up, and see what's next?

It holds some appeal. But my "sheepdog" instincts are too strong to want to leave my friends behind.

--truss,
"guardian angel" doesn't seem like such a bad occupation, y'know?

>It holds some appeal. But my "sheepdog" instincts are too strong to
>want to leave my friends behind.

And when you are the last (120 years, or so from now?)

>"guardian angel" doesn't seem like such a bad occupation, y'know?

/me notes that in order to be an angel, one must not be human....

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-Pasha
Umm, right....I'll be with you in just a sec now...

>>"guardian angel" doesn't seem like such a bad occupation, y'know?
>
>/me notes that in order to be an angel, one must not be human....

I suspect NXE's version of Rei would beg to differ.

Actually, I don't think she'd beg. I think she'd just differ.

--G.
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>>>"guardian angel" doesn't seem like such a bad occupation, y'know?
>>
>>/me notes that in order to be an angel, one must not be human....
>
>I suspect NXE's version of Rei would beg to differ.
>
>Actually, I don't think she'd beg. I think she'd just differ.

She's human?

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-Pasha
Umm, right....I'll be with you in just a sec now...

>>>/me notes that in order to be an angel, one must not be human....
>>
>>I suspect NXE's version of Rei would beg to differ.
>>
>>Actually, I don't think she'd beg. I think she'd just differ.
>
>She's human?

I suppose that depends on your definition of human. Taxonomically, no, not strictly.

Like Truss said, you're taking things too literally. :)

--G.
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>>>>/me notes that in order to be an angel, one must not be human....
>>>
>>>I suspect NXE's version of Rei would beg to differ.
>>>
>>>Actually, I don't think she'd beg. I think she'd just differ.
>>
>>She's human?
>
>I suppose that depends on your definition of human. Taxonomically,
>no, not strictly.
>
>Like Truss said, you're taking things too literally. :)

Yeah, but I have a tendency to do that...I started doing it when I figured out that it was easier to take everyones sarcastic insults at face value, then to try and deal with the psychological damage that they would have done to me...

--
-Pasha
Umm, right....I'll be with you in just a sec now...

>>>>>/me notes that in order to be an angel, one must not be human....
>>>>
>>>>I suspect NXE's version of Rei would beg to differ.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, I don't think she'd beg. I think she'd just differ.
>>>
>>>She's human?
>>
>>I suppose that depends on your definition of human. Taxonomically,
>>no, not strictly.
>>
>>Like Truss said, you're taking things too literally. :)
>
>Yeah, but I have a tendency to do that...I started doing it when I
>figured out that it was easier to take everyones sarcastic insults at
>face value, then to try and deal with the psychological damage that
>they would have done to me...

I tend to take everything at face value until proven otherwise.
I guess I'm just very linear, lacking in humor or stupid. But I'm pretty sure it's not the latter.

drakensisthered

So I simply said one of the great trite truths: "There is generally more than one side to a story." - Corwin, Roger Zelazny's 'Courts of Chaos'

>>It holds some appeal. But my "sheepdog" instincts are too strong to
>>want to leave my friends behind.
>
>And when you are the last (120 years, or so from now?)

I'd only outlast all of my friends if I stopped making new ones...

>>"guardian angel" doesn't seem like such a bad occupation, y'know?
>
>/me notes that in order to be an angel, one must not be human....

You're being too literal.

--truss.

>/me notes that in order to be an angel, one must not be human....
>

Humans cannot be immortal
Someone becoming immortal therefore ceases to be human int he technical sense
Therefore, a human who becomes immortal can be an 'angel'

-={(Astynax)}=-
"Anal retentive proofs for fun and profit"

>Thinking about Kate's freindships with Utena & Gang, I got to thinking
>about Omega 2, and what was gonna happen in about 20 years, when the
>U&G are all aging(mid thirties) and Kate is a spry little youth
>still...

Kate still has a few years of growth to her. She won't be a bespectacled pixie forever, even if she were that -now.-

>Could she convince her parents that Utena at least deserves
>O2, or will that just be one of the things that she learns to deal
>with as she ages?

I doubt she'd ask, really.

I forget where it is mentioned, but the life expectancy of an Earth-descended human in the Core Worlds is approaching 200 years of age, of which 150 or so can be considered 'active.' This is due to dietary supplements, superior health care, minor genetic tweaking, and the extermination of a host of diseases. There's no cancer, no AIDS, no polio or smallpox or ebola. There are a few -new- diseases brought on by continuing exploration of new worlds, but these are usually curable with ease.

Hoffmanites, because of their early genetic modifications for heavy-world living, have a much shorter life expectancy, about a century if one discounts the many, many, many violent ways a Hoffman can end up dead.

I don't know about Dantrovians or Gamilons or Minbari.

In any case, though, the question is not likely to come up for -quite- some time.

Redneck

Red wizard needs money badly...
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>I don't know about Dantrovians or Gamilons or Minbari.

Canonically (in B5), Minbari lifespans are... tough to pin down. Longer than human ones, certainly. At least a couple hundred years, maybe a few hundred.

--truss.

>>Thinking about Kate's freindships with Utena & Gang, I got to thinking
>>about Omega 2, and what was gonna happen in about 20 years, when the
>>U&G are all aging(mid thirties) and Kate is a spry little youth
>>still...
>Kate still has a few years of growth to her. She won't be a
>bespectacled pixie forever, even if she were that -now.-

i remember something about detians being able to age and unage themselves at will

>
>i remember something about detians being able to age and unage
>themselves at will

That they can, but only at a natural rate, plus or minus one year for each year that passes, and, if I recall correctly, they can only de-age themselves to the point at which they were given the retrovirus.
I suppose this means second gen Detians like Kate could regress all the way back to at least a fetal state, possibly farther, but one would think doing so wouldn't be without consequences. Plus, I can't begin to imagine why that would be in any way desirable.

TRB

"I wish I was reaper, culling lost souls. I wish I could cast them into deep and lonely holes."

>I suppose this means second gen Detians like Kate could regress all
>the way back to at least a fetal state, possibly farther, but one

No. Second-generation Detians aren't really Detians until they reach adulthood, barring special circumstances. They grow and age normally, and except for a slightly accelerated healing rate and greater resistance to disease, are more or less normal in every other respect too. (That's why Kate's slightly nearsighted.) They don't regenerate, and they can't control their aging rate.

When they've completed their growth cycle (which varies from individual to individual, but tends to be around age twenty), they undergo aging freeze, gaining the full regenerative abilities in the process. Basically, they hit young adulthood and stop, unless they decide to keep going. If they do, they can age back to where they froze, but no farther back.

Circumstances can force the Detian genome's hand before the time is right; if a Detian child suffers a life-threatening injury (or disease, but these are much, much rarer) before adulthood, there's a chance she'll undergo premature freeze, fixing her age baseline at whatever her current age is, so that her regenerative powers will kick in and save her life. The younger the child, the less likely it is that this will work.

This survival effect can have very unfortunate consequences: in some cases, a regenerative disease called Edgerton's Syndrome results. This manifests itself as an inability to permit further aging. The victim is trapped at whatever age she was at when she suffered the injury. This is clearly less than optimal in most cases, and explains why, though it's possible for a properly trained and equipped medical facility to induce premature freeze, they are very reluctant to do so under all but the most extreme conditions.

--G.
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<snip Detian explanation>

Uhhhhh, your slip from 'they've' and 'they' to 'she'll' and 'her' was just because it's late, right? Just for, you know, explanation's sake, right Gryph?

Right?

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>Uhhhhh, your slip from 'they've' and 'they' to 'she'll' and 'her' was
>just because it's late, right? Just for, you know, explanation's
>sake, right Gryph?
>
>Right?

If you're thinking it applies to anyone in SoS, no, it doesn't.

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LAST EDITED ON Aug-28-01 AT 04:06 AM (EDT)

>>Uhhhhh, your slip from 'they've' and 'they' to 'she'll' and 'her' was
>>just because it's late, right? Just for, you know, explanation's
>>sake, right Gryph?
>>
>>Right?
>
>If you're thinking it applies to anyone in SoS, no, it doesn't.
>

Wasn't being 100% serious, but yes, and thank you. :)

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Digital Bitch
J. Random VFX Company

>>Uhhhhh, your slip from 'they've' and 'they' to 'she'll' and 'her' was
>>just because it's late, right? Just for, you know, explanation's
>>sake, right Gryph?

Actually, it was just because I shifted from the plural to the singular, and it irritates me when people use "they" as a singular pronoun.

>If you're thinking it applies to anyone in SoS, no, it doesn't.

As far as Zoner knows; but keep in mind he skips a lot of meetings...

--G.
e-vil
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>Actually, it was just because I shifted from the plural to the
>singular, and it irritates me when people use "they" as a singular
>pronoun.

*nodnod*

>>If you're thinking it applies to anyone in SoS, no, it doesn't.
>
>As far as Zoner knows; but keep in mind he skips a lot of meetings...
>
>--G.
>e-vil

D'oh! Oh, I get it, it's good cop, bad cop. I've been snookered. :)

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Chad Collier
Digital Bitch
J. Random VFX Company