That shouldn't affect the vertical size, though, should it? I wouldn't have thought it would, since that's kind of how font sizes are calibrated. Then again, that's how it works in the real world; as I type it, it occurs to me that I don't actually know if that's true of HTML font scaling, since the settings for those are all arbitrary and at least partially browser-dependent. So perhaps my background in Actually Printed Things has led me astray once again.

How common is Trebuchet? Whatever it's set to needs to be something that is present on most user systems out there, since (unlike, for instance, the Adobe Typekit fonts embedded in the Gun of the Week pages by Dreamweaver) they are entirely client-side in this application. (That's why my first experiment used Calibri, which like Verdana is a stock Windows font, and is the default font in Microsoft Word, so presumably present on many Macs as well.) I mean, I could set it to Futura or Gill Sans, but I'm guessing that would only amuse, well, me. :)

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I don't know if that's really what the DCForum admin form is doing; it was just speculation on my part. It has a set of form fields you plug the names of fonts you want to appear into, and those fields are all named "(something) font face", so I suspect font face= is what it's slotting them into on the backend, but I don't really know. Keep in mind that DCF predates the complete ubiquity of CSS, and the deprecation of a half-million things that used to be done with flags inside HTML tags and are now customarily done with CSS, by a couple of thousand Internet Years, so if there's a Best Practice for doing that kind of thing, it is almost certainly not what DCF is doing.

Not sure why it would have gone to Times (that didn't happen for me); I didn't have the list of possible fonts comma-delimited, which might have caused it to do something that confused your browser and made it fall back to the default. I just went back and added commas to the list, basically just to see what would happen. If it does something really terrible, I'll just set it all back to Verdana and forget I messed around with it.

Apologies if this is really super-annoying anybody. One of the many shortcomings of DCF is that it hasn't got a sandbox, you have to make these changes live and just see what happens.

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I have Trebuchet MS on my machine, and I've never downloaded a font for it, so I'd go for "every Windows computer has it."

I can't get data for any other OS, though.

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Right? Glad it turned out to not be me (or something wrong, for that matter).

For what it's worth, I think I approve of our new font overlords. I'm not sure but I suspect my only reluctance is just because of my advancing decrepitude and baked-in resistance to change.

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It shrank when I went to Calibri, but adding Trebuchet to the list seemed to fix that for me. Anyway, I can try bumping it up, though beyond a certain point it breaks the Forum layout to increase the font size on the backend. If it hits that ceiling, you'd probably be better off zooming in with your client instead. We'll see what happens.

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There's only so much tweaking to be done from the forum config side; eventually someone, either on the bigger-fonts or the smaller-fonts side, is going to have to do it with browser adjustments instead. I like the changed-up font and I lean toward erring bigger for accessibility purposes, but if you guys really, really hate it, I'll change it back to the way it was before I started (which was, FTR, with already-mildly-upscaled Verdana).

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https://imgur.com/a/DgRsy

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As an aging gamer/writer I DO totally love that assumption. For a while I'd been using the browser zoom function. As you said, though, at about the time you'd implemented this my old zoom started causing bad ww breaks and such.

But I don't need em with the new font & size combination.

Well, that I can do a little bit about. Those sizes were set to one size bigger than everything else before, so when I incremented everything, they became size 5. Apparently on some browsers the font sizes don't scale evenly (i.e., 5 is bigger than 4 by a lot more than 4 is bigger than 3). So I've now set everything to 4 across the board.

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This is on Windows 7.

In general, DCForum, CSS and general horror of fonts ensure that other people are not as likely to see the forum as you intent it them to see. T_T

I think that has something to do with whether a topic has enough posts to go to threaded mode. I've noticed that if I open a threaded topic from before the change by clicking "View All", it opens in the old font, until and unless I click one of the individual posts; if I do that, then hit View All again, it reloads in the new one. I'm not certain why that is, but I suspect it probably has something to do with the semi-dynamic way DCForum generates the threaded vs. unthreaded topics.

tldr: dunno, probably more Backend Weirdness from our old friend DCF

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