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Sofaspud
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Feb-18-14, 08:52 PM (EST)
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"Very minor issue"
 
   On the homepage*, on a widescreen monitor, the text flows over the tiled background image, including the black bar on the left, making parts of the text impossible to read.

This is the first I've noticed. I'm guessing that's because I don't usually visit using a widescreen resolution, but, y'know.

I doubt it'd be difficult to fix, but whether it's an annoyance worth fixing is the question.

(* on all pages, really, but the forums aren't impacted because they supply their own background boxes that overlay the black bar, and the actual story pages aren't affected because, well, plaintext!)

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Very minor issue Gryphonadmin Feb-18-14 1
     RE: Very minor issue zwol Feb-19-14 3
         RE: Very minor issue Gryphonadmin Feb-19-14 4
             RE: Very minor issue zwol Feb-19-14 6
             RE: Very minor issue Sofaspud Feb-19-14 7
                 RE: Very minor issue Gryphonadmin Feb-19-14 8
                     RE: Very minor issue Offsides Feb-20-14 9
                         RE: Very minor issue Senji Feb-27-14 12
                     RE: Very minor issue zwol Feb-20-14 10
  RE: Very minor issue Zox Feb-18-14 2
     RE: Very minor issue SpottedKitty Feb-19-14 5

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Gryphonadmin
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Feb-18-14, 09:07 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Very minor issue"
In response to message #0
 
   >On the homepage*, on a widescreen monitor, the text flows over the
>tiled background image, including the black bar on the left, making
>parts of the text impossible to read.

What browser are you using, and how wide are we talking? I'm not seeing it on my 16:9 display.

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zwol
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Feb-19-14, 11:01 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Very minor issue"
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   LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-14 AT 11:30 AM (EST)
 
I don't know if this is the same problem Sofaspud is seeing, but. I have a ridiculously wide monitor, 1920x1200, because you can't buy 1600x1200 anymore. If I make my browser window wider than 1600 pixels on any (HTML) page on this site, a second copy of the black bar at the left appears, on the right, and the page content does stretch onto and beyond that bar. On some pages, where the text is black and drawn directly on top of the main background image, this does mean that parts of the text are drawn in black-on-black and are therefore unreadable. The front page and the "What's New" page are examples. (Contrast the top-level UF page, where the same thing happens, but the text is white, so it's still readable.)

This is happening because the black bar is part of the background image for the whole page, and all of those images are 1600 pixels wide and being applied via "legacy presentation attributes" rather than CSS, so you don't have any control over whether or not they repeat horizontally. A reasonable patch would be to add this attribute to every single BODY element on the entire site:

style="max-width: 1590px; background-repeat: repeat-y; background-color: black;"

That way, you still get a black bar at the far right, but it'll be as wide as it needs to be -- no second copy of the background graphic beyond it -- and the content won't stretch over the bar.

If it is easier to do it this way (frex if it can be done in one place rather than dozens), adding a STYLE tag to the HEAD with the contents

body { max-width: 1590px; background-repeat: repeat-y; background-color: black; }

would have the same effect (it's just a different way of writing the same thing).


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Gryphonadmin
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4. "RE: Very minor issue"
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   LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-14 AT 11:59 AM (EST)
 
Or I could just make the background images wider. The site was, after all, designed in a time when it was utterly ludicrous to consider that anyone would ever have a monitor wider than 1600 frickin' pixels, are you insane? In order for the screen to be big enough that you could even see anything at that resolution, the picture tube would have to weigh like 4400 pounds!

Actually, it's still pretty ridiculous. Resize your browser window. :)

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No, I'll put it on the to-do list. But resize your browser window anyway.
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zwol
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Feb-19-14, 04:17 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Very minor issue"
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   >Or I could just make the background images wider. The site was, after
>all, designed in a time when it was utterly ludicrous to consider that
>anyone would ever have a monitor wider than 1600 frickin' pixels, are
>you insane?

I kinda thought that might have been what was going on there.

>In order for the screen to be big enough that you
>could even see anything at that resolution, the picture tube would
>have to weigh like 4400 pounds!

Elder Days Story Time: I first encountered UF, circa the original posting-to-USENET of Twilight, on a machine whose monitor looked like this:

https://az413224.vo.msecnd.net/img/13140/m_13140_21.jpg?x

... that picture doesn't really convey how huge that sucker was. It for damn sure wasn't flat:

http://az413224.vo.msecnd.net/img/13140/m_13140_24.jpg?x

And yeah, it only went up to 1600 horizontal pixels.

>Actually, it's still pretty ridiculous. Resize your browser window.
>:)

I generally do prefer my text block not to be that wide, yes. :)


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Sofaspud
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Feb-19-14, 05:29 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Very minor issue"
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Just confirming (belatedly) it is indeed exactly what's being described. And for reference I use Chrome and the horizontal resolution is 1920.


>Actually, it's still pretty ridiculous. Resize your browser window.
>:)
>

Well, okay, if I must... *sigh*

Typically I run at ... less than 1920, though I'll be damned if I can remember what I run normally. 1024? Generally I'm viewing this site through a remote desktop screen anyway which has no relation to my local monitor resolution, but for bandwidth's sake if nothing else I bet it's 1024, maybe 1280 tops.

Just so happened that yesterday I viewed it from home on my gaming rig, so, yeah. Whoops. :)

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Gryphonadmin
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8. "RE: Very minor issue"
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   >Just confirming (belatedly) it is indeed exactly what's being
>described. And for reference I use Chrome and the horizontal
>resolution is 1920.

Ah. Well, as they say on Mythbusters, there's your problem. From your initial description, I thought you meant the body text was overrunning the reservation on the left side, where the buttons are, not that the black stripe was being repeated 100 miles off to the right where no browser was ever meant to display. The former would have bespoken some kind of strange problem with the code never before encountered. The latter is just your browser window is too goddamned wide, son. Why when I was your age etc.

More seriously, I'll look into widening the background images sometime. I'm not going to go monkeying with the code as elsewhere suggested, for the simple and compelling reason that I know the square root of fuckall about web coding as she is spoke in this brutal decade. :)

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9. "RE: Very minor issue"
In response to message #8
 
   >More seriously, I'll look into widening the background images
>sometime. I'm not going to go monkeying with the code as elsewhere
>suggested, for the simple and compelling reason that I know the square
>root of fuckall about web coding as she is spoke in this brutal
>decade. :)

Not to mention, if you widen the image you don't have to change anything else, otherwise you might well be editing a whole lot of HTML files...

And while I do love my pixels (I'm still pissed that I can't get a 1920x1200 screen anymore - everyone's gone to the 16:9 HD standard of 1920x1080 for some reason or another), even I agree that 1920px wide is a bit much for a browser window, especially when reading text...

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Senji
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Feb-27-14, 10:37 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: Very minor issue"
In response to message #9
 
   >And while I do love my pixels (I'm still pissed that I can't get a
>1920x1200 screen anymore - everyone's gone to the 16:9 HD standard of
>1920x1080 for some reason or another), even I agree that 1920px wide
>is a bit much for a browser window, especially when reading text...
>
I have two of:

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/pc-peripherals/monitors/professional/LS24C45KBW/EN

which I'll heartily recommend (and they're still available in Cambridge, Cambs at least).

S.


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zwol
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Feb-20-14, 01:35 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Very minor issue"
In response to message #8
 
   >More seriously, I'll look into widening the background images
>sometime. I'm not going to go monkeying with the code as elsewhere
>suggested, for the simple and compelling reason that I know the square
>root of fuckall about web coding as she is spoke in this brutal
>decade. :)

Perfectly understandable.

I sort of want to offer to modernize the entire site, but the truth is I don't have anything like the amount of free time it would take, and you probably don't want to deal with whatever changes might be needed on your end.


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2. "RE: Very minor issue"
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   I'm not seeing it in my browser--Firefox 27.0.1, running at about 1100 pixels wide (on a 1600x1200 monitor).

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SpottedKitty
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Feb-19-14, 12:26 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Very minor issue"
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   You'd probably see it if you fullsized your browser. Mine (same Firefox version) is about 2/3 screen size, on the right side of a 1920x1080 monitor, and my virtual repeat point is somewhere off the edge of the screen unless I fullsize it. As mentioned upthread, though, it isn't an issue here on the forum pages because the "boxes" containing the posts overlay the background image. I can just see slices of the repeated background in between the boxes.

I think we can put this down as another "no-one will need more than 64kB RAM" moment. I certainly never thought when I got my first PC with a huge boxy 800x600 CRT monitor, that I'd have pretty pictures this big to look at... in a monitor I can lift with one hand. ;)

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