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"(OWaW 15) D Plus 21,914"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-20 AT 01:42 AM (EDT)
 
What better time for Our Witches at War to return from hiatus? Episode 15 is up now ().

OWaW and The Federation Lives Forever! will probably alternate for the next little while, and the timing for both will be a bit more catch-as-catch-can than during their first runs as we work on other Large Things in the background (and, of course, Summertime Real Life happens).

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  RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Matrix Dragon Jun-06-15 1
  RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Terminus Est Jun-06-15 2
     RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 TsukaiStarburst Jun-06-15 3
         RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 BZArchermoderator Jun-06-15 4
             RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Proginoskes Jun-06-15 5
                 RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Gryphonadmin Jun-06-15 7
     RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Gryphonadmin Jun-06-15 8
         RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Terminus Est Jun-07-15 14
             RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Droken Jun-07-15 15
  RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Nova Floresca Jun-06-15 6
     RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Gryphonadmin Jun-06-15 9
         RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Droken Jun-06-15 10
             RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Gryphonadmin Jun-06-15 11
         RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 Offsides Jun-06-15 12
     RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914 CdrMike Jun-06-15 13
  We have an extremely serious problem. The Traitor Jun-07-15 16
     RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Matrix Dragon Jun-07-15 17
         RE: We have an extremely serious problem. The Traitor Jun-07-15 18
             RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Verbena Jun-07-15 19
                 RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Matrix Dragon Jun-07-15 20
                 RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Gryphonadmin Jun-07-15 25
                     RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Verbena Jun-07-15 31
                         RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Gryphonadmin Jun-08-15 32
                             RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Verbena Jun-08-15 33
                                 RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Gryphonadmin Jun-08-15 34
                             RE: We have an extremely serious problem. CdrMike Jun-08-15 36
                                 RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Gryphonadmin Jun-08-15 37
                                 RE: We have an extremely serious problem. TsukaiStarburst Jun-08-15 38
                                     RE: We have an extremely serious problem. CdrMike Jun-08-15 39
             RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Gryphonadmin Jun-07-15 28
                 RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Verbena Jun-07-15 30
     RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Gryphonadmin Jun-07-15 21
         RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Droken Jun-07-15 22
             RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Gryphonadmin Jun-07-15 24
                 RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Terminus Est Jun-07-15 26
                     RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Star Ranger4 Jun-07-15 27
                         RE: We have an extremely serious problem. Matrix Dragon Jun-07-15 29
         RE: We have an extremely serious problem. TsukaiStarburst Jun-07-15 23
             RE: We have an extremely serious problem. gamlain Jun-08-15 35
  minor revision Gryphonadmin Sep-19-20 40
     RE: minor revision Verbena Sep-19-20 41

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1. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   Whelp. If the Neuroi do communicate with each other in some way, the 501st just became the stories the large types tell the drones to make sure they behave and eat their vegetables :)

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2. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   Liking the possibly unintended parallel (or perhaps precursor?) to Fog vessels that last large type had going on.

...Gryph, I'm gonna come out and say this straight up (call me a fanboy if you want). I've read everything currently available on EPU at least once, most of it more than that. The evolution of your talent, as well as all the other writers who work with you, is plain to see, from early career to current works.

Quite simply, sir, you and all the other writers here are fuggin' awesome, and I wish it was legal to pay you guys for this stuff, because I'd give you the remaining balance of my bank account in a hot minute (well, most of it - man's gotta eat :). If you ever write a for-real fiction novel, regardless of the setting, you've already sold at least one copy. Probably quite a few more, because I sincerely doubt I'm the only one around here that feels this way.


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3. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   Well, Patreon IS a thing now... :)


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4. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   I don't think we could reasonably open one. Too much of our work would be in a legal grey area, at best.

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5. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   Being devoted to the production of fanworks doesn't automatically preclude using Patreon to gather patronage; it depends on the actual IP holder's attitude to such things. The problem is that UF uses so many different sources that it seems certain that one of the owners will say no.


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7. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   >Being devoted to the production of fanworks doesn't automatically
>preclude using Patreon to gather patronage; it depends on the actual
>IP holder's attitude to such things. The problem is that UF uses so
>many different sources that it seems certain that one of the owners
>will say no.

You are in a small room. There is a table in the middle of the room. On the table you see a can opener and a large tin can labeled WORMS. Obvious exits are: north east

What do you want to do? > go east

--G.
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8. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   I don't know which I'm more pleased with, on some level: the praise (for which thank you very much, aw shucks), or the fact that we elicited it with a story containing a "debriefing" joke. :)

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14. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   Anyone who can insert one of those in their work and make it work without the slightest trace of sarcasm or being forced is a literary ace. And you earned the praise, man. Not joking here: You're pretty much my favorite author, and I say that as a rampant bibliophile.


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15. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   Seconded.

One of the things that I've enjoyed tremendously with Eyrie works are the attention to details; both on their own merit, but also as regards the original works. One in particular caught me with OWaW; the medals. The scene with the Kaiser explaining his reasoning for discontinuing the Pour le Mérite in favor of the Knight's Cross was excellently done, and nicely makes sense of a thing that we as readers might have noticed but not even really registered. The whole of OWaW has been like that, and it has fast become one of my favorite parts of UF.

Damn well done sirs.

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6. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   Well, the beagle is cool with Neuroi-chan, that should rank somewhere above a certified letter from God Almighty that she's trustworthy, I would think.

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9. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   >Well, the beagle is cool with Neuroi-chan, that should rank somewhere
>above a certified letter from God Almighty that she's trustworthy, I
>would think.

Telegram to the right people, etc. And she doesn't even have any food for him! :)

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10. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   Wolfgang has been shown, after all, to be -startlingly- excellent judge of character.

Look at his reaction to Ohtori!

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11. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   >Wolfgang has been shown, after all, to be -startlingly- excellent
>judge of character.
>
>Look at his reaction to Ohtori!

Heh, I think I mentioned this in the annotations for Clarion Call, but that scene was based on a real-life trait of his. Generally speaking, he was a very friendly dog. He even loved his vets, who routinely did things that must have been quite unpleasant to him in the course of treating the illness that marked the last year or so of his life.

Occasionally, though, he would take instantaneous first-meeting dislikes to people whom he could not possibly have actually known were complete assholes, but who were, in fact, complete assholes.

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12. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   As far as I'm concerned, Wolfgang may be a better judge of character than anyone else in UF. Every lensman had at least one special ability, that's his :)

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13. "RE: (OWaW) D Plus 21,914"
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   >Well, the beagle is cool with Neuroi-chan, that should rank somewhere
>above a certified letter from God Almighty that she's trustworthy, I
>would think.

"Whosoever holds this beagle, if they be worthy..."

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16. "We have an extremely serious problem."
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   It is as follows:

The renowned Ms. Barkhorn now drinks from the well of the Dark Side.

Now, I know this is inviting the spiel from various other Eyrie works ("Blind we are. Blind we have been") and Word Of G forum posts ("white light and a flame"), but I am still extremely wary of introducing a sorcerous fighter pilot to something as... well, as addictive as the power of the Dark Side. It worries me greatly, and I fear that it might accidentally set off a Jedi Witch vs. Sith Witch schism-cum-civil war that leaves an opening for the Neuroi to attack, in the classic Eyrie action-story tradition of One Damn Thing After Another for our beloved charries to push through with the power of love and deeply questionable excellent taste in '70s and '80s rock music.

I worry, is all. You're the warriors, I'm the worrier. =]

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17. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   ... Why would Trude turn into a cliché supervillain? Sure, if the Force worked the way it did in Star Wars, her daring to tap into it with 'negative' emotions would be a Bad Thing. But here, the Force has had proper counselling, it's gotten treatment for its bipolar disorder, and is feeling much better.

And it's not like Trude hasn't had experience in dealing with amazing powers.

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18. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   While I accept your expertise in the matter is greater than mine, surely it's not too unrealistic that Trude goes at least a little bit mental. This is the Dark Side we're talking about, after all, and to go back to Gryph's old "white light and a flame" metaphor, fire is still dangerous.

Besides which, I'm not saying Barkhorn would turn into a cliché supervillain. Not at all. For one thing, she has too much class for the black leather underpants that seem to be de rigeur for the female fantasy antagonist in these enlightened times. No, I just think that Dark Side + someone desperate to feel powerful = Bad Combination for mental stability. The Dark Side needs a different kind of control to use safely, and frankly good ol' Gertie, while an absolute brick, does not possess that kind of control. For the moment, anyway.

Though I admit the aforementioned attire might make an appearance in her good lady's idle daydreams. =]

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"She's old, she's lame, she's barren too, // "She's not worth feed or hay, // "But I'll give her this," - he blew smoke at me - // "She was something in her day." -- Garnet Rogers, Small Victory

FiMFiction.net: we might accept blatant porn involving the cast of My Little Pony but as God is my witness we have standards.

"Oh, Trude, you never told me your lightsaber had so many settings..."
-- joke shamelessly nicked and repurposed from Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death.


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19. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   Actually, I agree with Traitor here for the most part. I think Trude is going to require a different kind of control to stay on the beam, not dissimilar to the 'one with darkness' mindset Vader and Rei follow. I fully agree she doesn't have to be evil at all, but she may need to approach control from a slightly different direction.


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To listen, to suffer, to entrust unto tomorrow
In one fleeting moment, from the Land doth life flow
Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow
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20. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-07-15 AT 09:04 AM (EDT)
 
Most of my reply was built around the following line:

>It worries me greatly, and I fear that it might accidentally set off a Jedi
>Witch vs. Sith Witch schism-cum-civil war that leaves an opening for the
>Neuroi to attack

Besides the fact that in UF, it's not the Force itself that makes a person turn into the 'cliché supervillian' that Star Wars tends to make Sith, Trude has spent her entire adult life, along with a good part of her childhood, possessing amazing powers. The fact her powers are now coming from an external source instead of internal is hardly going to make her turn against her friends and family. Hell, I seriously doubt it would even have a significant impact on her mental stability.

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25. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   >Actually, I agree with Traitor here for the most part. I think Trude
>is going to require a different kind of control to stay on the beam,

Oh, I don't dispute that. But then, the experience of being a witch is different for each individual. Consider: They all have powerful superhuman abilities that require responsibility, and they've all, by definition in their world, had them since childhood, but they aren't all the same, and that colors how they have to approach being witches right from day 1.

Yoshika, for instance, is a healer. Now, I'm not saying that's an automatic pass to being as good a person as she is, but it's harder to abuse a power like that unless you're some kind of complete warpo who spends the time and effort necessary to figure out, I dunno, how to use it to give people cancer or something fucked up like that. That's like "that asshole in Legend of Korra season 1" territory.

Trude's power, on the other hand? Prodigious, metal-bending (in the literal sense) physical strength. She's already had to learn to keep that under pretty careful control. When you can, if suitably motivated, pick up a 30-foot-long steel H-beam, schoolyard brawling becomes incipient manslaughter. ("The last time I was in New York, I sort of broke... Harlem.")

All of which is by way of saying that in terms of maintaining self-control, this ain't Gertrud Barkhorn's first rodeo. It'll take some adjusting, sure, but it's not like she's just made the sudden transition from Ordinary Mortal to Person With Astonishing Powers.

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31. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-07-15 AT 11:49 PM (EDT)
 
Hm, good points. I confess my lack of experience with their pre-military lives may have fiddled with my perceptions a bit. (Not to mention forgetting that the Dark Side stuff really -is- perpetuated by training and not inherent factors in the Force. SWTOR this is not!)

That said, this whole series has been a hell of a ride so far and I'm having a blast.

Thinking of the comparison of Trude's and Yoshika's powers, the inevitable question is nature vs. nurture. Or, in other words, is Trude aggressive because she has an aggressive power, or did she develop that specialty because she's got a forceful personality and iron will? Now, Yoshika's powers are absolutely hereditary; anyone who's seen the first scene of episode 1 knows that. But are they all goody two-shoes? Hm.

Can't help but notice Shirley spending some time with Lucchini, there, in the infirmary. I have no idea whether they're anything but roommates at this point--Lucchini, after all, has made it a point to not grow up, and I'm not sure Shirley has expressed an interest in either gender on camera yet*--but her monumental fuckup in the last installment might get her to grow up a little if anything can...

I'd say it's about time.

Of course, the bollocking she's going to get once she's back on her feet will be truly legendary, the moreso because Mio and Minna -aren't- the shouty type.

Also, Neuroi-chan. I have no notion what the manga says about the Neuroi, but I doubt they'll come up with an explanation half as good as what we'll eventually see in this story. But the parallels with the Fleet of Fog are...undeniable, aren't they?


*NB: Motorcycle cylinder shafts, no matter how hilariously appropriate, do not count.

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32. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   >Can't help but notice Shirley spending some time with Lucchini, there,
>in the infirmary. I have no idea whether they're anything but
>roommates at this point

Nah, no need to play this one coyly: despite there being only about three years' difference in their ages, Shirley's more like a surrogate mother figure (or at least a very mom-like big sister) to Lucchini. She's there because she's worried as hell, they're very close; but not in that way.

>--Lucchini, after all, has made it a point to
>not grow up, and I'm not sure Shirley has expressed an interest in
>either gender on camera yet

Canonically, I can't recall any particular evidence of bias in either direction on Shirley's part. She seems to be Too Busy For That generally, albeit not in a driven-self-denial sort of way; she's just doin' other stuff. Lacking official direction (or even much in the way of insinuation) on this point, I'm proceeding under the assumption that she's a 1 or 2 on the Kinsey scale and just happens to be on a show where men are mostly invisible. :)

>--but her monumental fuckup in the last
>installment might get her to grow up a little if anything can...
>
>I'd say it's about time.

That was, in fact, one of the notions behind the development of that segment, although, obviously, it's nowhere near played out yet. The trick is to let her grow without losing what makes her who she is in the process. Stay tuned.

>Also, Neuroi-chan. I have no notion what the manga says about the
>Neuroi, but I doubt they'll come up with an explanation half as good
>as what we'll eventually see in this story. But the parallels with the
>Fleet of Fog are...undeniable, aren't they?

In fairness, there are only so many ways to play the inscrutable-semi-polymorphous-alien-blowin'-stuff-up-machine card. :)

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33. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   >>Can't help but notice Shirley spending some time with Lucchini, there,
>>in the infirmary. I have no idea whether they're anything but
>>roommates at this point
>
>Nah, no need to play this one coyly: despite there being only about
>three years' difference in their ages, Shirley's more like a surrogate
>mother figure (or at least a very mom-like big sister) to Lucchini.
>She's there because she's worried as hell, they're very close; but not
>in that way.

Gotcha. I -did- wonder, but...well, everyone else in the original 501 is hooked up at that point and I was thinking it'd be a bit of a forced issue for every single original member to pair off with each other. =)

>
>>--Lucchini, after all, has made it a point to
>>not grow up, and I'm not sure Shirley has expressed an interest in
>>either gender on camera yet
>
>Canonically, I can't recall any particular evidence of bias in either
>direction on Shirley's part. She seems to be Too Busy For That
>generally, albeit not in a driven-self-denial sort of way; she's just
>doin' other stuff. Lacking official direction (or even much in the
>way of insinuation) on this point, I'm proceeding under the assumption
>that she's a 1 or 2 on the Kinsey scale and just happens to be on a
>show where men are mostly invisible. :)

I think that's a fair assumption. If she had had a hankering for beautiful women, she certainly had plenty of opportunity to show it already.

>
>>--but her monumental fuckup in the last
>>installment might get her to grow up a little if anything can...
>>
>>I'd say it's about time.
>
>That was, in fact, one of the notions behind the development of that
>segment, although, obviously, it's nowhere near played out yet. The
>trick is to let her grow without losing what makes her who she is in
>the process. Stay tuned.

Absolutely. I thought it was pretty obvious everyone else was changing and growing and this was the kick in the ass Lucchini needed to join that crowd. Complacency and laziness are her whole schtick, and when she's not front and center she's comic relief. The front and center had to happen sometime.

>
>>Also, Neuroi-chan. I have no notion what the manga says about the
>>Neuroi, but I doubt they'll come up with an explanation half as good
>>as what we'll eventually see in this story. But the parallels with the
>>Fleet of Fog are...undeniable, aren't they?
>
>In fairness, there are only so many ways to play the
>inscrutable-semi-polymorphous-alien-blowin'-stuff-up-machine card. :)
>
I have a feeling that entirely true fact is more of a commentary on cliche anime plotlines than a critique on Strike Witches in particular.

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34. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   >Gotcha. I -did- wonder, but...well, everyone else in the original 501
>is hooked up at that point and I was thinking it'd be a bit of a
>forced issue for every single original member to pair off with each
>other. =)

Well... not everyone else. (glances a little guiltily at Perrine)

>>In fairness, there are only so many ways to play the
>>inscrutable-semi-polymorphous-alien-blowin'-stuff-up-machine card. :)
>>
>I have a feeling that entirely true fact is more of a commentary on
>cliche anime plotlines than a critique on Strike Witches in
>particular.

It's a way of having a war show and still being able to keep it at least a little lighthearted. If the Neuroi, or the Heterodyne, or the Alone, or what have you, are just literally-faceless alien robots that can't be bargained, reasoned, or indeed communicated with, then the war against them is one without guilt for the human participants (unlike wars of humans vs. humans-or-other-thinking-beings, stories of which generally devolve into angst wallows in the Gundam tradition). I think that's why the Strike Witches creators shied so violently and obviously away from doing anything meaningful with Neuroi-chan after they created her, because they realized a bit belatedly that putting a relatable face on the Neuroi was last thing they wanted to do.

So, because I've got to do things the hard way, I went and brought her back, and am now trying to keep the thing acceptably light anyway. :)

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36. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
In response to message #32
 
   >Nah, no need to play this one coyly: despite there being only about
>three years' difference in their ages, Shirley's more like a surrogate
>mother figure (or at least a very mom-like big sister) to Lucchini.
>She's there because she's worried as hell, they're very close; but not
>in that way.

Yeah, theirs is very much a "surrogate mother" relationship, as Lucchini sees Shirley as a stand-in for her mother who she misses very much, while Shirley sees Lucchini as a little girl who needs someone to look after her. It's just that Shirley isn't the mothering type (for that you'd need to see Lynne), so she ends up seeming more like the "cool big sis."

>Canonically, I can't recall any particular evidence of bias in either
>direction on Shirley's part. She seems to be Too Busy For That
>generally, albeit not in a driven-self-denial sort of way; she's just
>doin' other stuff. Lacking official direction (or even much in the
>way of insinuation) on this point, I'm proceeding under the assumption
>that she's a 1 or 2 on the Kinsey scale and just happens to be on a
>show where men are mostly invisible. :)

It doesn't help that official policy is that the pilots are not to have more than a professional relationship with any men posted to the base. And that the nearest men who aren't wearing uniforms are usually miles away.

Amusingly enough, when fans do ship Shirley, it's usually with Trude.

>In fairness, there are only so many ways to play the
>inscrutable-semi-polymorphous-alien-blowin'-stuff-up-machine card. :)

I find myself sort of frightened about the thought of what happens when Neuroi-chan eventually develops a personality.

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37. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   >Lacking official direction (or even much in the
>>way of insinuation) on this point, I'm proceeding under the assumption
>>that she's a 1 or 2 on the Kinsey scale and just happens to be on a
>>show where men are mostly invisible. :)
>
>It doesn't help that official policy is that the pilots are not to
>have more than a professional relationship with any men posted to the
>base. And that the nearest men who aren't wearing uniforms are
>usually miles away.

True, although Minna's calmed down about that some since the old days. I mean, Yoshika's allowed to bring the ground crew cookies and stuff now; the crewmen and the witches don't actually have to pretend they're not in the same room any more. :)

(I actually have a character concept all worked out for Yoshika's crew chief, who only appears in the ending credits sequences of the TV show and has no official name, but have never had an opportunity to put him on screen yet. And Erica's, too, come to think of it; he's original, based on Erich Hartmann's real-life crew chief Heinz Mertens.)

>Amusingly enough, when fans do ship Shirley, it's usually with Trude.

Yes, I've noticed that (mainly a consequence of the Me 262 episode, one expects). Some of the artwork to that effect is amusing, and out of that context, a few pieces might even have happened. :)

I don't think Shirley is particularly into it when, as occasionally happens, other witches paw at her a bit? But she appreciates the implicit compliment. :)

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38. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   > I find myself sort of frightened about the thought of what happens when Neuroi-chan eventually develops a personality.

I, on the other hand, am awaiting it with barely restrained glee. Or maybe she just needs some help expressing a personality that's already there?

...a part of me is imagining Yoshika being woken up in the night by Neuroi-chan having nightmares... and then, hmm, what would happen next?


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39. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   >I, on the other hand, am awaiting it with barely restrained glee. Or
>maybe she just needs some help expressing a personality that's already
>there?
>
>...a part of me is imagining Yoshika being woken up in the night by
>Neuroi-chan having nightmares... and then, hmm, what would happen
>next?

Knowing the 501st's luck, they'll wake up the next morning to find her working her way at breakneck speed through all the books in Saint-Ulrich, before demanding "More input!"

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28. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   >For one thing, she has too
>much class for the black leather underpants that seem to be de rigeur
>for the female fantasy antagonist in these enlightened times.
>
>Though I admit the aforementioned attire might make an appearance in
>her good lady's idle daydreams. =]

Heh. On the whole, I doubt the Barkhorn-Hartmanns have a lot of those "come to bed, I'm wearing the" things going on in their lives. They're doin' all right without stunts. :)

As an aside, there is quite a lot of artwork out there depicting Erica rocking the Ilsa, She-Wolf of the S.S. look - much more than I've seen of Trude doing the same, presumably because Erica's blonde and usually wears a black uniform anyway. Not my cup of tea, personally, but it beats [REDACTED OH MY GOD SO MANY DIFFERENT ITEMS COULD BE HERE I'VE SEEN THINGS YOU PEOPLE WOULDN'T BELIEVE ATTACK SHIPS ON FIRE OFF THE SHOULDER OF ORION ETC. ETC.].

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30. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   >
>Heh. On the whole, I doubt the Barkhorn-Hartmanns have a lot of those
>"come to bed, I'm wearing the" things going on in their lives.
>They're doin' all right without stunts. :)

XD XD XD Hee! No doubt. Nothing like battle to rev that engine.

>
>As an aside, there is quite a lot of artwork out there
>depicting Erica rocking the Ilsa, She-Wolf of the S.S.
>look - much more than I've seen of Trude doing the same, presumably
>because Erica's blonde and usually wears a black uniform anyway. Not
>my cup of tea, personally, but it beats [REDACTED OH MY GOD
>SO MANY DIFFERENT ITEMS COULD BE HERE I'VE SEEN THINGS YOU PEOPLE
>WOULDN'T BELIEVE ATTACK SHIPS ON FIRE OFF THE SHOULDER OF ORION ETC.
>ETC.]
.

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21. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   Remember after New Tricks came out and someone thought Mio's peril-sensitivethought-controlled goggles would cause the local tech level to spiral wildly out of control, causing the Neuroi to become Borg-like super-adaptable unbeatable megavillains and dooming all humanity?

This is a little like that. :)

Relax. Trude's got this.

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22. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   And if she ever falters even a little bit? Then Erica's got it.

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24. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   >And if she ever falters even a little bit? Then Erica's got it.

Heh, I almost said "Relax. Erica's got this," but I thought it would be demonstrating too little faith in Trude. :)

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26. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-07-15 AT 03:19 PM (EDT)
 
I'd give the 'Dark side is bad news' theory a little more credence if her de facto teacher was, in fact, a Jedi. UF-Gryphon is patently not. His teaching likely incorporates (or will incorporate, now that it's come up) handling both sides, as well as the gray area in the middle.

Myself? Waiting for the lightning. :) And the puns.


I find your lack of cake disturbing.


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27. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   >I'd give the 'Dark side is bad news' theory a little more
>credence if her de facto teacher was, in fact, a Jedi. UF-Gryphon is
>patently not. His teaching likely incorporates (or will
>incorporate, now that it's come up) handling both sides, as
>well as the gray area in the middle.
>
>Myself? Waiting for the lightning. :) And the puns.
>
>
>I find your lack of cake disturbing.

I found myself in the same position, at first, until I recalled that as far as that goes, there "are (two) Others". Utena and Saionji, for example. Utena, especially, is a two legged example of how passion does not make one eeeeeebbbbiiilll. Though the image Hartman in an evil overlord getup? I think 'Trude would be torn between indignity (Hey, thats MY wife, buddy!) and agreement (yes, she's all that. but she's mine, not yours, got it?)

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29. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   Hell, one could argue that passion and power made Elisabeth Shustal turn NOT evil :)


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23. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   I have to admit that as soon as I read Trude doing this I was worried 'oh, boy, is this gonna go bad places?'.

I am reassured to know that you've considered this and have a plan, Gryph.


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35. "RE: We have an extremely serious problem."
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   It did seem quite a bit passionate, didn't it? Rage++ &etc.

Trude, though, if anyone, is already prepared to be sensing all the fury of the war while fighting it; She's already /done/ that jedi/force user trial, and walked back from the edge of screaming incoherently and charging to go screaming coherently and charging instead.

As Perrine and Yoshika can tell you.
They were right there, after all.

I look forward to watching her handle it well. ^^

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40. "minor revision"
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   I have adjusted the dialogue in the last scene, where Hannelore visits Gryphon to request his counsel regarding the letter she received from Fritz, to reflect developments in Gallian Gothic. This was surprisingly tricky to do for such a small edit, since I had to preserve the feeling of melancholy while simultaneously injecting a note of good news, but overall I think it works. It may even have lifted Hannelore's spirits a little and given her some hope that she could make her situation work after all.

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41. "RE: minor revision"
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   >I have adjusted the dialogue in the last scene, where Hannelore visits
>Gryphon to request his counsel regarding the letter she received from
>Fritz, to reflect developments in Gallian Gothic. This was
>surprisingly tricky to do for such a small edit, since I had to
>preserve the feeling of melancholy while simultaneously injecting a
>note of good news, but overall I think it works. It may even have
>lifted Hannelore's spirits a little and given her some hope that she
>could make her situation work after all.

I'm not a professional writer, mind you, but I think it works very well. Perhaps the fact that I'm not sure I'd have realized how difficult it was is proof of how good you've gotten at this.


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