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"Glaring Omissions Dep't"
 
   TOS Klingon uniforms are available. TOS Klingons are not.

I require a TOS Klingon bridge officer. That is all.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't laudre Mar-05-14 1
     RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't Gryphonadmin Mar-05-14 2
         RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't laudre Mar-05-14 3
             RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't Gryphonadmin Mar-05-14 4
                 RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't SpottedKitty Mar-05-14 5
                 RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't Gryphonadmin Mar-05-14 6
                 An Update Gryphonadmin Mar-06-14 7
                     RE: An Update CdrMike Mar-06-14 9
                 RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't laudre Mar-06-14 8

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laudre
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1. "RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't"
In response to message #0
 
   >TOS Klingon uniforms are available. TOS Klingons are not.
>
>I require a TOS Klingon bridge officer. That is all.

Well, you could make one using an "alien" bridge officer; I've got a boff on one character that I designed using a mix of Bajoran and Cardassian traits, specifically to be an orphaned love child of a Cardassian and a Bajoran during the occupation.

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2. "RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't"
In response to message #1
 
   >>TOS Klingon uniforms are available. TOS Klingons are not.
>>
>>I require a TOS Klingon bridge officer. That is all.
>
>Well, you could make one using an "alien" bridge officer

Hmm, I suppose so. It would deeply rankle a 23rd-century Klingon to be taken for some alien kuve in the early 25th century, but then, there are probably a lot of things about the early 25th century that would annoy a 23rd-century Klingon. Let me get this straight: The Organians are no longer stopping you from doing anything aggressive, the galaxy is full of threats so hideously dangerous as to have been literally unimaginable in the 2260s, and the best plan you khest'n idiots could come up with was to go to war with the komerex federazhon again?

>I've got a
>boff on one character that I designed using a mix of Bajoran and
>Cardassian traits, specifically to be an orphaned love child of a
>Cardassian and a Bajoran during the occupation.

Awkward!

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laudre
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3. "RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't"
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   >Hmm, I suppose so. It would deeply rankle a 23rd-century
>Klingon to be taken for some alien kuve in the early 25th
>century, but then, there are probably a lot of things about the
>early 25th century that would annoy a 23rd-century Klingon. Let me
>get this straight: The Organians are no longer stopping you from doing
>anything aggressive, the galaxy is full of threats so hideously
>dangerous as to have been literally unimaginable in the 2260s, and the
>best plan you khest'n idiots could come up with was to go to
>war with the komerex federazhon again?

It's been awhile since I last read The Final Reflection (hmm... maybe I'll go pull it off the shelf and read through it again once I'm done with my current batch from the local county library), but I seem to recall Imperial Klingons occupying a higher social stratum than the human-fusion Klingons of the 23rd century. Something like, "we thank them for the sacrifice of some of their Klingon-ness in service of the Empire, but it sucks to be them." That might be enough there. :)

Or, if you're going to roll with the canon explanation, and its resolution in the STO storyline, they could be from some distant outpost where they got the initial treatment that kept the virus from killing them, but never got the cranial ridges back and make it a point of perverse pride that they don't. Or something like that, anyway. :)

(It is a little weird that, IIRC, you can make a Romulan PC or boff with the TOS look, but not a Klingon.)

>>I've got a
>>boff on one character that I designed using a mix of Bajoran and
>>Cardassian traits, specifically to be an orphaned love child of a
>>Cardassian and a Bajoran during the occupation.
>
>Awkward!

Well, Gul Dukat did have a half-Bajoran love child, Ziyal, on DS9, and it's implied (if not outright stated) that she's hardly unique. Not only that, but there were shown to be a number of full-blooded Cardassian orphans who were raised on Bajor and are culturally Bajoran, and would, presumably, go on to marry Bajorans. (Come to think of it, my boff might be the child of such a union. Not like I've set anything in stone with that, RP-wise.)

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4. "RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-05-14 AT 07:30 PM (EST)
 
>Or, if you're going to roll with the canon explanation, and its
>resolution in the STO storyline, they could be from some distant
>outpost where they got the initial treatment that kept the virus from
>killing them, but never got the cranial ridges back and make it a
>point of perverse pride that they don't. Or something like that,
>anyway. :)

Well, in the event, the way Karn has developed, there are basically three possibilities:

1) He and his first officer/consort Kirinna are from an alternate past where all Klingons look like that and the Homeworld is called Klinzhai, and very little about STO's post-TNG-era Klingons makes sense to them in any way;

2) They are insane humans; or

3) They're cosmetically modified Orions running some kind of enormous scam.

What that scam might be, and how it might be accomplished by performing a series of well-prosecuted missions on behalf of the High Command with an antiquated but capable Koloth-class bird-of-prey, is not immediately clear to the skeptics. As for their locally acquired crew members, K'Gan has no personality, Ch'gren is a bit dubious but cannot deny that the crazy person did avenge his wife, and the Science Gorn doesn't care as long as he gets paid and is regularly permitted to bust heads with science.

>(It is a little weird that, IIRC, you can make a Romulan PC or boff
>with the TOS look, but not a Klingon.)

Yes, I was pleased to find that one is not obligated to have the Horrible Forehead on one's STO Romulans. (Seriously, TNG production designers, what? Even if the Romulans had been separate from the Vulcans long enough for evolution to have happened - and they haven't - what conceivable advantage does a ridgy forehead convey? Were the Romulans experiencing evolutionary pressure in the form of Friday evenings in Glasgow?)

On the other hand, it's weird that you can get the TOS Klingon uniform but not opt for a smooth head on your Klingon PCs. 'Cause let's face it, knobbly dreadlocked Klingons look all wrong in the TOS uniform.

>(Come to
>think of it, my boff might be the child of such a union.)

Oh, the family reunions. All those red alerts, all that dancing.

I like characters whose parents weren't quite where the stereotypes say they're supposed to be. Culturally, Klingon Dave Okamura is thoroughly (if a bit weirdly and archaically) Japanese, because her parents - Dominion War orphans who were resettled in Tokyo as children - assimilated as diligently and earnestly as only foreign transplants in a mildly-to-moderately xenophobic society can. In some cases this is not a huge, expectation-damaging stretch for people who meet her later in life - I mean, the klin and bushido, there are parallels there - but her extensive collection of Sanrio stuff and her habit of declaring loudly that she's arrived at home whenever she enters the bridge of her ship take many people aback the first time.

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5. "RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't"
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   >what conceivable advantage does a ridgy forehead
>convey? Were the Romulans experiencing evolutionary pressure in the
>form of Friday evenings in Glasgow?)

Obviously they must have encountered a Sontaran with a stepladder.

(Sorry, had to exorcise the mental image, now it's all yours.)

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6. "RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-05-14 AT 09:45 PM (EST)
 
>and the Science Gorn doesn't care as long as he gets paid and is
>regularly permitted to bust heads with science.

As an aside, it is a singularly melancholy exercise coming up with detailed characterizations for bridge officers. They have editable bios, but no one will ever see them. Not even the maybe one-tenth of one percent of players who will click on other PCs to read their bios. They do not exist outside of mission instances.

Also, the Science Gorn has a name, he's just not interested in sharing it. He's the Gorn who does science. On any given ship, that's a sufficiently unique identifier.

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7. "An Update"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-06-14 AT 02:31 AM (EST)
 
I am perversely pleased to report that it took less than three hours for someone to come up to Captain Karn in the First City on Qo'noS, stand there for a moment examining him, and then explain to me precisely how and why cannon [sic] proves that I am Doing It Wrong.

Ah, Trekkies.

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9. "RE: An Update"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-06-14 AT 01:05 PM (EST) by pjmoyer (moderator)
 
>I am perversely pleased to report that it took less than three hours
>for someone to come up to
>Captain Karn in the First City on Qo'noS, stand there for a moment examining
>him, and then explain to me precisely how and why cannon [sic]
>proves that I am Doing It Wrong.
>
>Ah, Trekkies.

Too bad canon in STO doesn't let you kill the little p'taQ where he stands for questioning your honor.

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8. "RE: Glaring Omissions Dep't"
In response to message #4
 
   >Yes, I was pleased to find that one is not obligated to have the
>Horrible Forehead on one's STO Romulans. (Seriously, TNG production
>designers, what? Even if the Romulans had been separate from the
>Vulcans long enough for evolution to have happened - and they
>haven't - what conceivable advantage does a ridgy forehead
>convey? Were the Romulans experiencing evolutionary pressure in the
>form of Friday evenings in Glasgow?)

I remembered, some time last night (I think while running around in the Solanae Dyson Sphere Battlezone), that in Star Trek V: The One About God Or Something, which was released in 1989, there was a smooth-headed Romulan. This would be a full two years after TNG premiered, and more than a full year after the Romulans made their first appearance in the TNG era, in the episode "The Neutral Zone". Ah, you might say, but production timing something something, right? Well, filming for STI STV didn't begin until October of 1988, and the forehead-ridge Romulans made their broadcast appearance in May of that same year, months earlier. Now, there are rather substantial legal and logistical walls between Trek television and film productions (one of the reasons that nuTrek IP assets essentially nonexistent in STO), but it seems implausible that borrowing or making a forehead appliance for the Romulan ambassador was beyond the film production's capabilities.

So, this leaves far more room for fanwank about the change in Romulan appearance than for Klingons (which was an actual retcon... until they retconned the retcon, anyway), especially given the lifespan of Romulans.

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