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BobSchroeck
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"An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
 
   Peg and I were just rewatching the second Utena DVD last night, and something of a small continuity issue occurred to me. In "The Rose Which Blooms In the City of Light", it's mentioned offhandedly that the Cephirans don't have anything vaguely like Earthly organized religion. However, in episode 12 (I think; if not, then ep 11), young Touga and Saionji enter (in a flashback) a clearly Christian church. Assuming as always that Symphony continuity trumps source material continuity, exactly where did young Touga and Saionji find a young weeping Utena huddled in a coffin? Or did they?

-- Bob
---------------
Please to remember
Eleven September --
Hijack, destruction and plot.
Our outraged reaction
To terrorist action
Should never be forgot.

-- Bob
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My race is pacifist and does not believe in war. We kill only out of personal spite.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... Gryphonadmin Sep-25-01 1
     RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... remandeteam Sep-26-01 2
         RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... megazone Sep-26-01 3
             RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... Laudre Sep-26-01 4
             RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... Gryphonadmin Sep-26-01 5
             RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... trussteam Sep-26-01 6
                 RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... Nathan Sep-26-01 7
                     RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... BobSchroeck Sep-27-01 9
                         RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... Nathan Sep-27-01 11
                 RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... Mephronmoderator Sep-26-01 8
                     RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... Ebony Sep-27-01 10
                         RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving... trussteam Sep-27-01 12

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Gryphonadmin
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Sep-25-01, 02:23 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
In response to message #0
 
   >Peg and I were just rewatching the second Utena DVD last night, and
>something of a small continuity issue occurred to me. In "The Rose
>Which Blooms In the City of Light", it's mentioned offhandedly that
>the Cephirans don't have anything vaguely like Earthly organized
>religion. However, in episode 12 (I think; if not, then ep 11), young
>Touga and Saionji enter (in a flashback) a clearly Christian church.
>Assuming as always that Symphony continuity trumps source material
>continuity, exactly where did young Touga and Saionji find a
>young weeping Utena huddled in a coffin? Or did they?

Deism is "vaguely like Earthly organized religion"; many of the founders of the United States were deists (albeit Christian ones - don't ask me how that was supposed to work). What Cephiro doesn't have is Judeo-Christianity, per se. Many of them do believe in a monotheistic God, but the geography of the place is so different that the Bible would be nonsense to them. (Discussions as to whether the Bible is nonsense anyway do not belong on the EPU Forums and will not be tolerated. You have been warned.)

You may therefore assume that the decor of the church in the UF equivalent of the aforementioned scene was slightly different, or that the sect in question has some other reason for using the cross as a primary symbol.

--G.
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remandeteam
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Sep-26-01, 06:36 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
In response to message #1
 
   >You may therefore assume that the decor of the church in the UF
>equivalent of the aforementioned scene was slightly different, or that
>the sect in question has some other reason for using the cross
>as a primary symbol.

The cross there represents their deity, Tim ;^>

Now let us all make the sign of the T and pray to Our Ford...

--rR

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3. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
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   >Now let us all make the sign of the T and pray to Our Ford...

Thank you, ReRob, for the image of some post-apocolyptic church where they worship the symbol for the MBTA.

This big white circle with a black T in it, hanging on the wall...

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4. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
In response to message #3
 
   >>Now let us all make the sign of the T and pray to Our Ford...
>
>Thank you, ReRob, for the image of some post-apocolyptic church where
>they worship the symbol for the MBTA.
>
>This big white circle with a black T in it, hanging on the wall...

Now, now, it's only the Gammas and Deltas that slavishly follow Our Ford.

Off to get some Soma. I've had a weird night.

-- Sean --

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Gryphonadmin
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5. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
In response to message #3
 
   >>Now let us all make the sign of the T and pray to Our Ford...
>
>Thank you, ReRob, for the image of some post-apocolyptic church where
>they worship the symbol for the MBTA.
>
>This big white circle with a black T in it, hanging on the wall...

"Oh angry spirit of Ricky Myran, we honor your rage! But for now, the ramp must go back."

--G.
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Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/

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Eyrie Productions, Unlimited http://www.eyrie-productions.com/
zgryphon at that email service Google has
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.


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trussteam
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Sep-26-01, 04:51 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
In response to message #3
 
   >>Now let us all make the sign of the T and pray to Our Ford...
>
>Thank you, ReRob, for the image of some post-apocolyptic church where
>they worship the symbol for the MBTA.
>
>This big white circle with a black T in it, hanging on the wall...

"And we leave this seat vacant for Charlie, who will one day return."

--truss.
...and his fate is still unlearned...


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Nathan
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7. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
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   >"And we leave this seat vacant for Charlie, who will one day return."
>...and his fate is still unlearned...

Okay, I've been wondering this for years...

Why the F@$( didn't wifey just hand him the rest of the bloody fare?

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Nathan Baxter
(Who rather likes the song in question anyway, make of that what you will.)

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BobSchroeck
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9. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
In response to message #7
 
   >>"And we leave this seat vacant for Charlie, who will one day return."
>>...and his fate is still unlearned...
>Okay, I've been wondering this for years...
>Why the F@$( didn't wifey just hand him the rest of the bloody fare?

Well, obviously, she had a little something going on the side, and so it was far too convenient for her to have Charlie stay stuck on the MTA...

<grin>

-- Bob
---------------
Please to remember
Eleven September --
Hijack, destruction and plot.
Our outraged reaction
To terrorist action
Should never be forgot.

-- Bob
-------------------
My race is pacifist and does not believe in war. We kill only out of personal spite.


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Nathan
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11. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
In response to message #9
 
   >>>"And we leave this seat vacant for Charlie, who will one day return."
>>>...and his fate is still unlearned...
>>Okay, I've been wondering this for years...
>>Why the F@$( didn't wifey just hand him the rest of the bloody fare?
>
>Well, obviously, she had a little something going on the side, and so
>it was far too convenient for her to have Charlie stay stuck on the
>MTA...
>
><grin>

*glare* Bastard.

<SHATTER>

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8. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
In response to message #6
 
   >>This big white circle with a black T in it, hanging on the wall...
>
>"And we leave this seat vacant for Charlie, who will one day return."
>--truss.
>...and his fate is still unlearned...

I think on my vacation, I'm going to take some of that trip. Assuming it's still possible. (You know, they could reroute trains, change stations, stuff like that....)

(Hotel: Reserved. Amtrak: Reserved. Time off from work: Reserved. Vacation is GO.)

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Ebony
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10. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
In response to message #8
 
   >>>This big white circle with a black T in it, hanging on the wall...
>>
>>"And we leave this seat vacant for Charlie, who will one day return."
>>--truss.
>>...and his fate is still unlearned...
>
>I think on my vacation, I'm going to take some of that trip. Assuming
>it's still possible. (You know, they could reroute trains, change
>stations, stuff like that....)

Please 'splain for the Boston-impaired. DART Light Rail is too young to have legends, as far as I know.

>(Hotel: Reserved. Amtrak: Reserved. Time off from work: Reserved.
>Vacation is GO.)

Atomic tourist shirts to power; souveniers to speed!

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aka Draco Draconis Ebenium
known to DART as Aaron F. Johnson,
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trussteam
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Sep-27-01, 03:50 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: An Opportunity for Handwaving..."
In response to message #10
 
   >Please 'splain for the Boston-impaired. DART Light Rail is too young
>to have legends, as far as I know.

Here ya go.

http://web.mit.edu/jdreed/www/t/charlie.html

--truss.


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