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"Altered Appleseed question"
 
   Which Gundam was Kei using to attack Gryphon's Hyper Valkyrie with? If it was the original RX-78-2, I'd have to question her sanity. Granted, the RX-78-2 is powerful in the hands of the right pilot, but a Hyper Valkyrie could run rings around it. Or was it enhanced using the technology of the HL universe?


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Berrik_NeueZiel
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1. "RE: Altered Appleseed question"
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   Oh, and if there are mobile suits, are there also Newtypes? Or just generic psychics? Or am I completely off track and the Gundam was just a one-time cameo?


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2. "RE: Altered Appleseed question"
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   >Oh, and if there are mobile suits, are there also Newtypes? Or just
>generic psychics? Or am I completely off track and the Gundam was just
>a one-time cameo?

The thing you have to remember here is that Altered Appleseed isn't good.

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4. "RE: Altered Appleseed question"
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   LAST EDITED ON Sep-27-01 AT 06:41 PM (EDT)

>Oh, and if there are mobile suits, are there also Newtypes? Or just
>generic psychics? Or am I completely off track and the Gundam was just
>a one-time cameo?

The Gundam was indeed a one-time cameo, for reasons outlined in my last post (AA being old enough that the UF universe it existed in was still an incoherent semi-parody continuum).

However! This doesn't mean that there aren't mecha from that show kicking around the new, improved, vaguely coherent UF universe. Fans of the horribly-outdated, deprecated and Stalinized Technical Readout 2417 may remember mention in there of a consortium called the Destroid Improvement Group, whose function is to take existing combat mecha and soup them up to superstar performance levels - the idea being that they could take an existing mass-production space Destroid like, say, the RX-7 Machine Weapon, perform a number of extremely expensive modifications upon it, and turn it into a much more capable but very pricey RX-78 Gundam.

Well, I junked the Technical Readout because it had become extremely out of date and I didn't feel like updating it, but I rather like that idea all the same. So yeah, there are Gundam-style mecha around; by UF standards they'd be classified as light or medium space Destroids. (A space Destroid being a robotic battle unit more than five meters in height, equipped with integrated thruster systems for moving and fighting in space - something like a WHM-6R Warhammer (Tomahawk to the Royal Salusian Armed Forces) isn't a space Destroid because although it can be fitted with a thruster pack to maneuver and fight in space, that equipment isn't built in. The Warhammer is intended to be primarily a ground combat unit.)

It's worth noting, though, that I'm not a big Gundam fan. Of the four bits I've seen, I disliked the original immensely, disliked Gundam Wing not quite so much but still didn't enjoy it, thought MSG 0083: Stardust Memory was OK but nothing to write home about, and am so far quite enjoying MSG: The 08th MS Team. So the range of Gundam mecha likely to turn up in UF is pretty limited. You might see the RX-78 and RGM-79 turn up someplace, and maybe the Zaku (do Zeon mecha have code numbers, or just names?), but I wouldn't hold my breath for, say, a Guncannon or any of the stuff from Wing to make an appearance.

Oh, and as for Newtypes, no. That part of the books gave me a roaring headache.

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5. "RE: Altered Appleseed question"
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   >You might see the RX-78 and RGM-79 turn up someplace,
>and maybe the Zaku (do Zeon mecha have code numbers, or just
>names?), but I wouldn't hold my breath for, say, a Guncannon or
>any of the stuff from Wing to make an appearance.

Yes, Zeon MS -do- have model numbers. The base Zaku II we all know and love is the MS-06, with TONS of variations, including an underwater type, one with colony gassing equipment, and even one with an atomic bazooka. As for stuff from Wing in an UF story... >shudder< Actually, there are mobile suits that could hang with the heavys. What's the acceleration of a Hyper Valkyrie? I know of quite a few MS that have an accel of more than 4 G, and one (the Victory 2) that can accelerate at over 20 G. (It was intended for mass production, but the Zanscare War ended before it was useful.)

>Oh, and as for Newtypes, no. That part of the books gave me a roaring
>headache.
Headache, huh? Go to www.gundamproject.com and read all the UC stuff. Mark Simmons does a very good job of explaining things. And feel free to ask me anything-- I know tons of stuff about the mainstream Gundam universe, though not quite as much about the alternate universe series.



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6. "RE: Altered Appleseed question"
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   >What's the
>acceleration of a Hyper Valkyrie?

The sort of fiddly hard-SF detail I promised myself I would never bother with. :)

>>Oh, and as for Newtypes, no. That part of the books gave me a roaring
>>headache.
>Headache, huh? Go to www.gundamproject.com and read all the UC stuff.

Um...

well...

how shall I put this...

No.

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3. "RE: Altered Appleseed question"
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   >Which Gundam was Kei using to attack Gryphon's Hyper Valkyrie with?

OK. Non-smartass answer this time. The overall problem with this story has actually been addressed in the "EVE and Durandal" thread, so rather than repeat myself I'll refer you there for the disclaimer about the awkwardness of this part.

>If it was the original RX-78-2, I'd have to question her sanity.

Kei's sanity is supposed to be pretty questionable at that stage of the Exile anyway, so I'm not really sure this is a problem, per se. :)

Anyway, the answer is that I didn't know a damned thing about Mobile Suit Gundam when I wrote that story, so it wasn't intended to be any particular 'type'. When AA was written, UF was still transitioning from parody to semi-serious SF, so the tech references in it were made more for sheer reference's sake than because of any sense of overarching coherence.

If I were doing that story today, Kei would be using another Valkyrie, probably the VT-1FD mentioned here and there in the Core. The battle would be a lot more mobile, covering a lot more area, using all three modes and damaging a great deal more property. There would be more missiles, too.

More about the presence of Gundam artifacts in UF in my next post.

--G.
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