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ejheckathorn
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"A possible item of interest..."
 
   ...for anyone who was not permanently turned off the Mass Effect franchise by the ending of ME3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG8V9dRqSsw

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: A possible item of interest... Gryphonadmin Jun-15-15 1
  RE: A possible item of interest... CdrMike Jun-15-15 2
     RE: A possible item of interest... Verbena Jun-16-15 10
  RE: A possible item of interest... Matrix Dragon Jun-15-15 3
     RE: A possible item of interest... Nova Floresca Jun-15-15 4
         RE: A possible item of interest... Matrix Dragon Jun-15-15 5
         RE: A possible item of interest... Nova Floresca Jun-15-15 6
             RE: A possible item of interest... Gryphonadmin Jun-15-15 7
                 RE: A possible item of interest... Nova Floresca Jun-16-15 8
             RE: A possible item of interest... Matrix Dragon Jun-16-15 9
                 RE: A possible item of interest... Verbena Jun-16-15 11
                     RE: A possible item of interest... Matrix Dragon Jun-16-15 12
                     RE: A possible item of interest... Astynax Jun-17-15 13

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Gryphonadmin
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1. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   >...for anyone who was not permanently turned off the Mass Effect
>franchise by the ending of ME3

i.e., persons other than me. :)

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CdrMike
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2. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-15-15 AT 08:51 PM (EDT)
 
I wasn't permanently turned off by the ending so much as the attitude that EA* took to fan complaints about said ending. I bought all the DLCs, spent hours playing through them just to get what I was expecting to be the best possible ending, and then got short-changed "for the art." Yeah, I feel ripped off and EA is going to have to do a lot to win me back.

That said, I've got no real investment in this new series. I say new because it is, Shepard's gone and so are all the characters we've come to love. Hence "Mass Effect Andromeda" and not Mass Effect 4. I'll wait and see what happens between now and launch day, but I would not be surprised if the franchise follows Dead Space in becoming unrecognizable to fans.

*(the amorphous mass Bioware is now part of)

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10. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   >I wasn't permanently turned off by the ending so much as the attitude
>that EA* took to fan complaints about said ending.

This exactly. The ending was bad, yeah. They did things they promised the fans they wouldn't do. Stuff happens when you're making something as complicated as a AAA game. But when it -does- happen you cop to it, you don't tell the fans their subjective opinion is -wrong-. By definition opinions can't be right or wrong.

>That said, I've got no real investment in this new series. I say new
>because it is, Shepard's gone and so are all the characters we've come
>to love. Hence "Mass Effect Andromeda" and not Mass Effect
>4
. I'll wait and see what happens between now and launch day, but
>I would not be surprised if the franchise follows Dead Space in
>becoming unrecognizable to fans.

One thing is for sure. I bet Bioware is acutely aware they have some ground to make up, and they don't have the two doctors in the house now, either. I'll be watching it closely but I won't be preordering.


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Matrix Dragon
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3. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Jun-15-15 AT 10:46 PM (EDT)
 
As someone that did like ME3's ending... Good grief guys, another year, another E3, and another video completely pre-rendered with absolutely no information about the game? Really?

(Also, Andromeda? An entire new galaxy? We've got a hell of a lot that could still be explored in this one.)

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter


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Nova Floresca
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4. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   >(Also, Andromeda? An entire new galaxy? We've got a hell of a lot that
>could still be explored in this one.)

<snark>Yes, but exploring a galaxy at sublight speeds would make for a pretty boring game.</snark>


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Matrix Dragon
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5. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   Why would they be exploring a galaxy at sub-light?

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Nova Floresca
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6. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   I didn't bother after the original end, but I was led to believe by a friend who played the Extended Cut that the Mass Relays still didn't survive the end of 3, which means crawling around at ordinary speeds.

"This is probably a stupid question, but . . ."


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Gryphonadmin
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7. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   >I didn't bother after the original end, but I was led to believe by a
>friend who played the Extended Cut that the Mass Relays still didn't
>survive the end of 3, which means crawling around at ordinary speeds.

To be fair, the mass relays aren't the only FTL travel method in the setting, they're just a lot faster than tooling around in hyperspace. That development therefore simply resets the setting to something like Star Wars.

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Nova Floresca
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8. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   >To be fair, the mass relays aren't the only FTL travel method in the
>setting, they're just a lot faster than tooling around in hyperspace.
>That development therefore simply resets the setting to something like
>Star Wars.

I shall cop to my annoyance with the ending and subsequent instances* of dick-movery by BioWare having overshadowed that fact in my mind.

*See Republic-side Taris in TOR and how the Promised Land from KotOR turned out

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Matrix Dragon
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9. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   >I didn't bother after the original end, but I was led to believe by a
>friend who played the Extended Cut that the Mass Relays still didn't
>survive the end of 3, which means crawling around at ordinary speeds.

Even in the original ending, they were just broken/badly damaged. I always figured they were fixable, but I was kinda hoping that ME4 would be set during the reconstruction, heading off into regions of the galaxy you'd lost contact with, helping to reunite galactic civilisation.

Wandering off to another galaxy as the trailer implies seems a bit much. Did someone accidentally overclock a Relay while fixing it? "We appear to have overshot our destination." "No, really?"

Matrix Dragon, J. Random Nutter


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11. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   >Even in the original ending, they were just broken/badly damaged. I
>always figured they were fixable

I...hmm. I am not 100% sure my lore is correct, but I thought the Mass Relays weren't understood and weren't fixable, which was why they couldn't make more of their own. Then again, I guess it's not like they can't reverse engineer the parts now.

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Matrix Dragon
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12. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
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   They found a prothean prototype at the end of the first game, and Liaras dad comments that when she'd been politically active, she'd been pushing for building new relays and branching out in new directions, as opposed to just leeching off the existing network.

That, and I admit I'm an optimist. Where some people saw the end of galactic civilisation, I saw civilisation surviving what should have been the end and rebuilding to be even better.

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13. "RE: A possible item of interest..."
In response to message #11
 
   >I...hmm. I am not 100% sure my lore is correct, but I thought the Mass
>Relays weren't understood and weren't fixable, which was why they
>couldn't make more of their own. Then again, I guess it's not like
>they can't reverse engineer the parts now.
>
>------
> Fearless creatures, we all learn to fight the Reaper
> Can't defeat Her, so instead I'll have to be Her

Two endings from the extended cut show some level of assistance from the beings who made the relays to begin with. So at least 2/3 of the time, galactic society will be back on its feet after some rebuilding time.


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