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"BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 1)"
 
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Babylon Project Galactic Database
Text Data Extraction Search: Astropolitical Atlas
General Data, Major Galactic Nations
Search Complete: June 15, 2406

The United Federation of Planets

The largest polity in the known galaxy, the UFP is actually a sort of superstate, incorporating under its umbrella a very large number of independent nations. These countries retain sovereignty and internal governance while accepting certain responsibilities, most significantly the adoption of certain international codes of conduct, various economic cooperation measures, and obligations of mutual defense and acceptance of the authority of the Federation Starfleet to enforce interstellar law. Its stated core values are peace, prosperity, and mutual respect between disparate species and cultures. It replaced the Salusian-dominated United Galactica, which collapsed in the mid-twenty-fourth century, after a brief civil war.

The UFP's capital complex, which includes the Assembly Hall of the Federation Senate and the offices of the President and Supreme Judiciary, is located in the city of Paris, France on Earth. Member states include but are certainly not limited to:


  • The Earth Alliance
    An alliance of sovereign nations like the Federation itself on a smaller scale, the EA guarantees the independence of its member states within certain similar parameters. It sprang up in 2389, in the wake of the collapse of the Olympus megastate during the War of Corporate Occupation the previous year, and by the date of this printing (June, 2406) it encompasses all the nations on the planet Earth save three (the Republic of Texas, the Principality of Zanzibar and the Argentine Empire), plus numerous Earth colonies (mainly founded by people from western Europe and the United States of America) in the Centauri Sector. The EA's military arm, Earthforce, is one of the ten most powerful military forces in the galaxy, and is growing.

    One unique feature of the EA's structure is the Psi Corps, which was founded in 2390 to deal comprehensively with the emerging Earth-human telepath population, replacing nearly a hundred small and ineffectual telepath-regulation agencies scattered throughout the national governments of Earth. By law, all EA citizens are screened at several points during childhood for the emergence of telepathic abilities. All identified telepaths must choose between conscription into the Psi Corps, imprisonment, or lifelong dosing with "sleepers", special drugs which dampen human telepathic abilities. The Corps initially had jurisdiction only on Earth; its powers were expanded to cover the whole of the Alliance's territory in late 2404. A bill is now before the Federation Assembly to give the Psi Corps jurisdiction throughout the United Federation of Planets, replacing the Federation Bureau of Psionic Affairs.

    The capital of the Earth Alliance is the city of Geneva, in Switzerland.

  • The Planetary Kingdom and Interstellar Empire of Salusa Secundus
    Better known simply by the name of its core planet, Salusia. The Empire consists of several of Salusia's younger colonies, still populated mainly by ethnic Salusians; the homeworld's older colonies are mostly independent now. Salusia is among the oldest modern spacefaring societies, having been exploring and colonizing since the beginning of the Modern Epoch (ca. Standard Year 500).

    Since the collapse of the United Galactica, Salusia has lost some of her influence and power, but she is still a significant polity and still boasts a first-class military. Once Earth's staunchest ally, she has seen her relations with what most pundits now call the new center of galactic power cool since the establishment of the Earth Alliance. Many call this sour grapes on the part of the declining power.

  • The Republic of Zeta Cygni
    Home state of the Wedge Defense Force (who, despite their centuries-long defense contract with the Federation and the Galactica before them, are technically stateless mercenaries), the Babylon Foundation and the International Police Organization, the Republic has the second-oddest configuration of any state in the galaxy: it is comprised of the system of Zeta Cygni and the planet Titan, a moon of the gas giant Saturn in the Solar system. This odd arrangement came about because of a peculiar but perfectly legal real estate deal conducted by Zeta Cygni's "shadow leader", IPO chief Benjamin "Gryphon" hutchins.

    Relations between the Republic of Zeta Cygni and the Earth Alliance have been strained for some time; the EA is the most vocal member of the group of UFP members who are suspicious of Zeta Cygni's motives in supporting the IPO and the Babylon Foundation and of the Republic's structure. They maintain that, despite its name, the Republic of Zeta Cygni is a dictatorship, dominated by the whims of the IPO chief, who has no official title but does undeniably wield considerable influence over the Republic's policies (which are determined by electronic plebiscite). The Republic also maintains separate alliances with several non-Federation governments and fellow Federation members, which, while not illegal, is unorthodox.

  • The Confederate Freespacers' Alliance
    The state which holds the dubious distinction of topping the Republic of Zeta Cygni for odd structure, the CFA has no worlds; it is, as its name suggests, an alliance of freespacers, making its home in a mobile fleet of starships rather than at any fixed location. The Freespacers are, if anything, more iconoclastic and independence-minded than Zeta Cygni, and relations between them and the Earth Alliance are even more strained than those between the EA and Zeta Cygni. In fact, at the present time, despite the fact that both states are Federation members, there are no political relations between the CFA and the EA; the Freespacers maintain that the EA has devolved into a power-hungry police state which ignores the basic freedoms for which the UFP claims to stand, while the EA officially regards the Freespacers as lawless space trash, refusing to acknowledge that they are a nation and categorizing them as an organized crime faction. For the sake of Federation membership, each accords the other the bare minimum of cooperation required by the Articles of Federation, and such cooperation is very frosty indeed.
  • The Corellian Free and Open Trading State
    Nominally a republic, Corellia and her few remaining colonies are a corporate state and everyone knows it. Corellian elections pull fewer than 1% of the eligible voting populace because only the very young, the very stupid and the very naive don't know full well that the votes don't count. The Trading State is ruled by a junta of corporate raiders, captains of industry and Hutt crime bosses. The Hutts are infamous for the one clause in the Articles of Federation known as the Hutt Compromise, which exempts their Inner Galaxy territory (mainly the Corellian moons of Nal Hutta and Nar Shaddaa) from the Federation's anti-slavery laws. Militarily insignificant, Corellia is an economic powerhouse, and its leaders are quite happy to align themselves with the militarily mighty but economically unstable Earth Alliance. The result is a well-rounded power bloc of which the Freespacers, Zeta Cygni, and their various quiet allies find themselves very, very wary.

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1. "BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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<<<Data Extract Continues

United Federation of Planets, continued

  • The Greater Independent Stellar Co-Prosperity Sphere
    An primarily economic confederation of various independent former Earth colonies, mainly of Japanese extraction, including New Japan, Tomodachi, Yamaki, and New Hokkaido. Politically, the Co-Prosperity Sphere's members are fairly moderate, but there are differences within the group, with New Japan leaning more toward the policies of Earth while Tomodachi is closer to Zeta Cygni.
  • The Zardon Free Republic
    Despite its name, the Zardon Free Republic is still more or less a police state, as it has been since the dying days of the Second Epoch. The monarchy is gone, and in its place the Department of Justice rules the Mega-Cities, oppressing the people of Zardon for their collective good. Unfortunately, it is for their collective good, and no one has ever come up with another way in which a planet as ruined as Zardon could support a population as dense as Zardon's, so reform efforts tend to be somewhat desultory.
  • The Centauri Republic
    A faded giant from another age, the Centauri Republic's salad days bridged the gap between the Second and Third Epochs. The first Centauri Emperors warred with the Padishahs for pieces of their crumbling territory; the last were quietly prevented from conquering Earth in the tenth century S.C. by the Salusians, after which they went into a steep decline. The modern Centauri Republic has regained its balance and settled comfortably into its role as a galactic dowager, wealthy and fairly powerful but not inclined to get up out of its armchair. Its longtime friendship with the WDF places it in square alliance with the Republic of Zeta Cygni.

The Federation has many other members, most of them single worlds. They include but are not limited to Niogi, Neo Texas, New Caledonia, Halloran IV, Bgtzl, Imsk, Winath, Vulcan, Bismoll, New Skaro, Mondas, Braal, Free Mars, the Narn Regime, and of course Zeta Cygni's staunch ally Cybertron.

The Allied States

Several significant independent nations are, though not members of the Federation, allied with that polity or one or more of its members. They include:

  • The Klingon Empire
    Though cultural misunderstandings produced hostility between the Salusian-dominated United Galactica and the Klingons for centuries, several incidents at around the time of the War of Corporate Occupation and the tireless efforts of former Klingon Chancellor Gorkon and Salusian Special Envoy at Large Jeremy Feeple have produced a strong military alliance between the Empire and their former foes in the twenty-fifth century. The Klingons are more firmly allied to Salusia and Zeta Cygni than to the Federation as a whole, and are not bashful about airing their skepticism toward the policies of the Earth Alliance and their Corellian allies (or, as the Klingons would have it, toadies).
  • The Empire of Gamilon
    Another former enemy, Gamilon today is the Federation's bulwark against the Romulans, whose borders they block from the Federation's almost completely. The Gamilon emperor, Desslok I, refuses to join the Federation outright, but his empire's economy is closely linked with those of several Federation members' and there are military alliances in place with the Federation and most of those same members. Relations between Gamilon and Earth, though, are very poor; they were on the brink of war in the summer of 2405, when a Psi Corps officer illegally detained Gamilon's Crown Princess at the school she was attending on Earth, and Emperor Desslok has made no secret of his contempt for EA President William M. Clark.
  • The Discordian Confederation
    Mysterious and secretive, the Discordian Confederation's location is unknown. Some maintain that the nation does not even exist, that it is merely a myth spun by the Wedge Defense Force to give them an air of mystery and make people fear that they have silent allies. Discordian forces were key contributors to the Second Battle of Zeta Cygni, which ended the War of Corporate Occupation, but have not been seen since.
  • The Minbari Federation
    Stand-offish and rather rude, the Minbari have cordial but not warm relations with the Federation, and are among the nations becoming increasingly suspicious of the Earth Alliance as its star rises within the UFP.
  • The Kingdom of Jyurai
    A mysterious world in the heart of the treacherous Enigma Sector, Jyurai looks deceptively close to the Federation, but in navigational terms, it might as well be out on the far reaches of the Outer Rim. Politically it is just as remote, maintaining strong ties to Zeta Cygni (the IPO Psionics Academy is located there) and almost none to any other Federation member except the Freespacers.
  • The Outer Rim Territories
    This loosely-organized, poorly-charted zone of space, rimward of the Federation proper, is a vaguely-defined Federation protectorate. Federation taxes are not collected and Federation law is only spottily enforced; the only laws on much of the Rim are those one can enforce oneself, or those enforced by the Hutts, who have taken advantage of the Federation's patchy, ineffectual presence to claim a sizable portion of the Rim for themselves. On the other hand, parts of the Territories are quite civilized, if remote. Ishiyama, the farthest-flung Earth colony, is a major industrial power with a very quirky and unique tech base and culture, and is the Outer Rim bastion of the International Police; and Naboo, homeworld of the current Federation Senator for the Outer Rim Territories, Eidun Palpatine, is galactically known as a peaceful center of art and learning.

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2. "BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 3)"
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The Neutral and Hostile States

  • The Empire of Kilrah
    Ancient and implacable enemies of Salusia and, by extension, any power friendly to Salusia, the Kilrathi have launched no fewer than seventeen invasions of United Galactica and United Federation of Planets territory, all of them in the Vega and Enigma Sectors and all of them repulsed by some combination of the United Galactica Navy or UFP Starfleet, the Wedge Defense Force, and the Royal Salusian Armed Forces. Since Emperor Thrakhath II took power in 2398, the Kilrati have been relatively quiet, but only the naive expect this state to continue indefinitely.
  • The Cardassian Union
    Ruthless, militaristic, efficient and xenophobic, the Cardassian Union (capital Cardassia Prime) have the disadvantage of sharing borders with the Federation, Kilrah, Barrayar and the Klingon Empire. This quirk of placement is the only thing which has prevented the Cardassians from embarking on wars of conquest aimed to expand their limited industrial base and become a truly major galactic power. The last time they tried, during the War of Corporate Occupation, they penetrated Federation space as far as Epsilon Eridani, seizing the system and holding parts of it for nearly two years before the Wedge Defense Force could fully dislodge them. Since then the Union's borders have been stable and firmly closed, and one of the main worries of Federation military analysts is the uncertainty of just what they're up to in there.
  • Barrayar Star Empire
    Barrayar is possibly the most infamous of the 'pumpernickel principalities' of Enigma Sector. It lost contact with the mother world shortly after colonization, reverting to roughly Renaissance-era technology and internal warfare until its rediscovery by Captain Jonathan Archer in the 2380s. Since then, Barrayar's been occupied by the Cardassians, freed by vicious guerilla fighting, conquered one neighboring planet, fought the young Federation to a cease-fire, and established a reputation as the most bellicose branch of humanity in known Space.

    With the recent restoration of the rightful Emperor, Barrayar is undergoing a period of painful reform. Although it only claims three systems, it retains a powerful combined military force as a balance to Cardassia. Its conservative elements have not, however, given up entirely on conquests within the Federation. As a result, despite very warm relations with the Freespacers, Barrayar is very cool to just about every other power in known space. Although Barrayar is no longer a nation of paranoids, they're still rather touchy there.

  • The Romulan Star Empire
    Paranoid and isolationist, the Romulans have kept out of wars for the last few years because they cannot trust their coreward neighbors, the Klingons, not to attack them while their back is turned if they launch the invasion of Gamilon space for which much of the Romulan Praetoriate yearns. In addition, they keep a suspicious eye on their intervening border with the Federation, along which runs the infamous Romulan Neutral Zone. It is a time-honored component of the Romulan worldview that anyone who claims to be a smiling proponent of peace, freedom, harmony and the arts is up to something.
  • The Coreward Frontier
    Not a nation, the Frontier is merely the blanket name for the utterly unorganized scattering of systems at the coreward edge of known space. Similar in character to the Outer Rim Territories but even more vaguely organized, the Frontier does not enjoy even the ORTs' dubious Federation-protectorate status and lacks the Rim's little bright spots of culture and refinement. On the other hand, it also lacks the Hutts, so perhaps that's a fair trade.
  • The Vorlon Empire
    Almost as shadowy as the Discordian Confederation, the Vorlon Empire can at least be proven to exist, but almost nothing else about it is known. Expeditions to Vorlon space do not return; the only thing their sponsoring governments receive is a politely but coldly worded request that the intrusion not be repeated. Some freetraders claim to have been to Vorlon space and made it back, and even to have met Vorlons and visited their homeworld, Vorlas (whose existence is only rumored, and may be apocryphal), but these tales are not generally believed. The Vorlons surprised everyone by sending a representative to the Babylon Foundation, and, in typical Vorlon style, they do not respond to queries as to why they have broken their eons-long silence by doing so. The act has resulted in no thawing of the borders, however, and the Vorlon ambassador to Babylon 6 doesn't really seem to do very much.

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5. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 3)"
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   Intesting reading.

Perhaps I missed them - where does Bajor fall in the scheme of things?


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6. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 3)"
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   >Intesting reading.
>
>Perhaps I missed them - where does Bajor fall in the scheme of things?

They are a tiny piddling little Federation member state.

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3. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >The Federation has many other members, most of them single worlds.
>They include but are not limited to [...]
>Bgtzl, Imsk, Winath, [...], Bismoll, [...]
>Braal, [...].

More LSH! Yay!

Is Bgtzl still inter-dimensional?


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4. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >>The Federation has many other members, most of them single worlds.
>>They include but are not limited to <...>
>>Bgtzl, Imsk, Winath, <...>, Bismoll, <...>
>>Braal, <...>.
>
>More LSH! Yay!

Yeah, and dammit, I forgot Cargg. How could I forget the home of one (or three?) of my favorite Legionnaires (and the winner of the "Legionnaire Most Likely to Induce Random Off-Color Musings at Odd Times" award)?

>Is Bgtzl still inter-dimensional?

Bgtzl is really, really weird. Almost as weird as people say Vorlas is, but not quite as unfriendly. Quite. (I understand Ambassador Wazzo's daughter is, like, the only nice person from Bgtzl.)

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7. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >The Federation has many other members, most of them single worlds.
>They include but are not limited to Niogi, Neo Texas, New Caledonia,
>Halloran IV, Bgtzl, Imsk, Winath, Vulcan, Bismoll, New Skaro, Mondas,
>Braal, Free Mars, the Narn Regime, and of course Zeta Cygni's staunch
>ally Cybertron.
>

Hmm. No mention of the Star Kingdom of Manticore. Ergo its either A) a very minor member or b) not part of the UFP. Is it out in the Rimward Territories, or the corward systems?

Of COURSE you wernt
expecting it!
No One expects the
FANNISH INQUISITION!

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   >Hmm. No mention of the Star Kingdom of Manticore. Ergo its either A)
>a very minor member or b) not part of the UFP. Is it out in the
>Rimward Territories, or the corward systems?

Beats me. It's not even a blip on my radar. It's of absolutely no known consequence to the scope of galactic history.

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11. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >>Hmm. No mention of the Star Kingdom of Manticore. Ergo its either A)
>>a very minor member or b) not part of the UFP. Is it out in the
>>Rimward Territories, or the corward systems?
>
>Beats me. It's not even a blip on my radar. It's of absolutely no
>known consequence to the scope of galactic history.
>

D'oh! That's right. Red was the one who threw in the gratuitous HH referance. Nebber mind. >_<;

Of COURSE you wernt
expecting it!
No One expects the
FANNISH INQUISITION!

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16. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >Hmm. No mention of the Star Kingdom of Manticore. Ergo its either A)
>a very minor member or b) not part of the UFP. Is it out in the
>Rimward Territories, or the corward systems?

The Star Kingdom of Manticore was one of the early secessions from the disintegrating United Galactica. However, it never did join the Federation, preferring to maintain its independence after the long wars with nearby New Paris during the Exile years. It's in the Enigma Sector, with its main system squarely astride a major hyperspace safe-travel route, and consists of four inhabited planets in two systems. It has a small but highly trained navy and tends very strongly towards conservative politics.

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19. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >safe-travel route, and consists of four inhabited planets in two
>systems. It has a small but highly trained navy and tends very
>strongly towards conservative politics.

Manticore proper and

A) Yeltsin
B) Trevor's Star

?

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20. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >>safe-travel route, and consists of four inhabited planets in two
>>systems. It has a small but highly trained navy and tends very
>>strongly towards conservative politics.
>
>Manticore proper and
>
>A) Yeltsin
>B) Trevor's Star

Wrong.

A) Manticore A & B (Gryphon, Manticore, Sphinx)
b) Trevor's Star (San Martin)

The annexation of Trevor's Star still makes sense with the UF continum, as Redneck has stated there was a conflict between Manticore and New Paris.

they who create the Universe have not mentioned Yeltsin. Furthermore, they've taken the step of elinating the wormhole nexus concept and have renamed Nouveau Paris to New Paris. Unless we have been told, it is not so.

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23. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >>Manticore proper and
>>
>>A) Yeltsin
>>B) Trevor's Star
>
>Wrong.
>
>A) Manticore A & B (Gryphon, Manticore, Sphinx)
>b) Trevor's Star (San Martin)
>
>The annexation of Trevor's Star still makes sense with the UF
>continum, as Redneck has stated there was a conflict between Manticore
>and New Paris.
>
>they who create the Universe have not mentioned Yeltsin. Furthermore,
>they've taken the step of elinating the wormhole nexus concept and
>have renamed Nouveau Paris to New Paris. Unless we have been told, it
>is not so.

I was asking a question, in a somewhat roundabout sort of way - rephrased: We know that the Manticore Binary system and (presumably) its three planets exist. Is the other system A) Yeltsin (with Grayson attendant) or B) Trevor's Star (with San Martin attendant)?

Which you answered, for which I thank you.

Blessed be.
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25. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >I was asking a question, in a somewhat roundabout sort of way -
>rephrased: We know that the Manticore Binary system and (presumably)
>its three planets exist. Is the other system A) Yeltsin (with Grayson
>attendant) or B) Trevor's Star (with San Martin attendant)?

Neither.

The third planet, which covers the other end of one of the hyperspace lanes, is Gorgon in the Basilisk star system.

Redneck (haven't I answered this before?)


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26. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >Redneck (haven't I answered this before?)

*smaks forehead* Yeah, probably. I always forget about Basilisk.

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28. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >>Redneck (haven't I answered this before?)
>
>*smaks forehead* Yeah, probably. I always forget about Basilisk.
>
>Blessed be.
>Nathan Baxter
>(Gorgon?)

yeah, what he said. I thought the main inhabitted planet of the Basilisk System was Basilisk? Um, and why Gorgon? Kinda ruins the play off of mythical beasts give the Gorgon is supposed to be person.

t.

Well, that takes care of canon...I thought the act of Annexation took the system, but not the planet, as the Manticorian liberals wouldn't allow the Crown to actually colonize the place...

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29. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >>>Redneck (haven't I answered this before?)
>>
>>*smaks forehead* Yeah, probably. I always forget about Basilisk.
>>
>>Blessed be.
>>Nathan Baxter
>>(Gorgon?)

Or something. Either Gorgon or Medusa- come to think of it, the latter, more likely. I don't keep a copy of On Basilisk Station in my house (blech), but I recall that Weber -did- use different names for the system and the inhabited planet.

As far as UF is concerned, BTW, you can call it a trust territory, protectorate, or whatever, it's still Manticoran territory... and nobody wants it bad enough to protest, not even the native-rights movements of the Federation.

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31. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >Or something. Either Gorgon or Medusa- come to think of it, the
>latter, more likely. I don't keep a copy of On Basilisk Station in my
>house (blech), but I recall that Weber -did- use different names for
>the system and the inhabited planet.
>
I do have a copy, being a HH fan in specific and having read some of Webbers other stuff. Medusa is the planet's name, unless you specifically WANT to change it.

>>looks at all the new posts this thing has spawned<<

Yeeesh. I really need to learn to keep my fat keyboard shut. ^_^;

Of COURSE you wernt
expecting it!
No One expects the
FANNISH INQUISITION!

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32. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >>>looks at all the new posts this thing has spawned<<
>
>Yeeesh. I really need to learn to keep my fat keyboard shut. ^_^;

Yes.

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27. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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>(There was a question mark, but it was separated from the sentance
>proper by the multiple choice thing. Perhaps that's the source of your
>confusion?)


It did, and coupled with 3 hours of straight conference calls (Can I help YOU?) I was a bit testy. Gomen.

t.
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30. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   Ist nichts.

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17. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >The Federation has many other members, most of them single worlds.
>They include but are not limited to Niogi, Neo Texas, New Caledonia,
>Halloran IV, Bgtzl, Imsk, Winath, Vulcan, Bismoll, New Skaro, Mondas,
>Braal, Free Mars, the Narn Regime, and of course Zeta Cygni's staunch
>ally Cybertron.

Bismoll IS a member.

Man, the idea of Iron Chef Bismoll terrifies me now.

--
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18. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >Bismoll IS a member.
>
>Man, the idea of Iron Chef Bismoll terrifies me now.

Aw, nah - Tenzil's a great guy. Lot of fun. And nobody makes yu-hsiang fried nails better than he does. :)

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21. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >>Bismoll IS a member.
>>
>>Man, the idea of Iron Chef Bismoll terrifies me now.
>
>Aw, nah - Tenzil's a great guy. Lot of fun. And nobody makes
>yu-hsiang fried nails better than he does. :)

Yeah, but who ELSE appreciates them?

(BTW: BAstard. <SHATTER>)
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22. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   >>>Bismoll IS a member.
>>>
>>>Man, the idea of Iron Chef Bismoll terrifies me now.
>>
>>Aw, nah - Tenzil's a great guy. Lot of fun. And nobody makes
>>yu-hsiang fried nails better than he does. :)
>
>Yeah, but who ELSE appreciates them?

Other Bismollians, and certain silicon-based lifeforms. :)

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24. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 2)"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-23-02 AT 05:22 PM (EDT)
 
>Other Bismollians, and certain silicon-based lifeforms. :)

"I guess," the rock said wryly, "that you've never seen a Horta before?"
"A whatta?"
"Horta."
"Computer."
"Working."
"Horta."
"Horta: <defenition snipped for brevity>."

Blessed be.
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9. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 1)"
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   >The Planetary Kingdom and Interstellar Empire of Salusa
>Secundus

Salusa Secundus, huh? Would I be totally off-mark in guessing that the Padishah Emperor had a prison or two in that solar system in the distant past?

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10. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 1)"
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   >Salusa Secundus, huh? Would I be totally off-mark in guessing that the
>Padishah Emperor had a prison or two in that solar system in the
>distant past?
>Because somehow, the idea of Kumbari Sardukar strikes me as Good
>and Right...

The Padishahs did maintain a prison colony on Salusa Secundus - what the hell, it was convenient, since the throneworld of the Padishah Empire, Kaitain, also goes by the names Salusa Tertius and, in modern times, Zardon.

Your notion about the Kumbari doesn't wash, though, because the Salusians are indigenous. They weren't Sardaukar back in the days of the Padishahs - they were what made Salusa Secundus such a hostile place. They were what made the Sardaukar so damn tough. That's why the Salusians have such a strong warrior heritage - their world was invaded and conquered before they'd got very far past fire on the technology curve. The fierce semihumanoids lurking in the trees made Salusa Secundus a very unsafe place to be a human, three thousand years ago...

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12. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 1)"
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   The fierce semihumanoids lurking in the trees made
>Salusa Secundus a very unsafe place to be a human, three thousand
>years ago...

Good thing that is all acient history.

Any Chance that the Salusians are also the Reason why Zardon is now
a wasteland?

Would have been sweet revenge if it was.

Brad RCW #41380


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13. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 1)"
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   >The fierce semihumanoids lurking in the trees made
>>Salusa Secundus a very unsafe place to be a human, three thousand
>>years ago...
>
>Good thing that is all acient history.
>
>Any Chance that the Salusians are also the Reason why Zardon is now
>a wasteland?
>

You forgot to capitalize 'wasteland' ;)


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14. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 1)"
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   >Any Chance that the Salusians are also the Reason why Zardon is now
>a wasteland?

No, that's just a function of the locals having ridden their planet too hard for too long. (It may also have had something to do with the fall of the Padishah dynasty, but Zardon history gets very sketchy when it goes back that far.)

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15. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 1)"
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   What an interesting and informative read!Wonder if Palpatine will go nuts as well?

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33. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 1)"
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   All right, I have to ask.

Is the UF-verse Encyclopedia Galactica published from a small-yet-economically-imperialist world somewhere out on the Rim?

(IOW, is there an equivalent to Terminus from the Foundation novels?)


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34. "RE: BPGD: Major Galactic Nations (part 1)"
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   >All right, I have to ask.
>
>Is the UF-verse Encyclopedia Galactica published from a
>small-yet-economically-imperialist world somewhere out on the Rim?

No, it's published on Salusia.

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