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"Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
 
   This is the thread for those of us who have seen the movie and want to talk about it WITH SPOILERS to do so. Folks who haven't seen the movie and don't care about spoilers also welcome.

I'm leaving this first post spoiler free, so that anyone who clicks on it by mistake and didn't mean to come in here can potentially escape un-spoiled if they want to.


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1. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   OK - does anyone else think Rey is related (younger sister, maybe?) to Kylo Ren? Given all of the echoes of the first trilogy I spotted throughout the movie, I found myself thinking there was something there...

I admit to hoping I'm wrong, that Rey is somebody else unrelated, but...it would fit the series mythology very well.


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3. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >OK - does anyone else think Rey is related (younger sister, maybe?) to
>Kylo Ren?

That's the guy in the Traditional BioWare Sith Lord Mask, right? Based on the design of said mask, I'm guessing his father was a 2014 Dodge Charger, so... :)

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4. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-15 AT 03:38 PM (EST)
 
Not having seen the movie but massively spoiled, I am guessing Rey is Ren's sister or cousin (Luke's kid). Also guessing Ben/Ren is Luke's student gone bad. Just keeping up all the parallels with the original movie.


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5. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >Not having seen the movie but massively spoiled, I am guessing Rey is
>Ren's sister or cousin (Luke's kid). Also guessing Ben/Ren is Luke's
>student gone bad. Just keeping up all the parallels with the original
>movie.

Yep. Ben/Ren is Ben Solo, and he has indeed gone bad. He slaughtered all the other students - at least according to Han - and then left to join the Knights of Ren.

Luke's kid would seem to be a reasonable guess, actually - it would explain why Leia didn't recognize her, which is the one reason I was not sure if Ren was the sister.


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6. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   I thought they were pretty clearly telegraphing her to be Luke's kid.

Rey's been left to live in isolation on a desert world where some old guy keeps tabs on her from afar. She has a XWing pilot doll in her house which is a downed ATAT echoing the one Luke killed in Empire. She's a natural pilot and tinkerer. Han gave Rey a number of ambiguous but emotional looks, Maz ask Han what's with the girl, then after Rey has her Dehgoba Cave moment where there's a flash back to when her "family" left her on Jakku (which was really cool and I liked how she was repulsed by the Sword of Vader that murdered children) Maz gives her a run down of Anakin's swords lineage and then says Rey should have it. R2 turns back on for the first time since Luke left when Rey shows up to give her the map, and when she finally finds Luke he's standing over a grave on an island from her vision that was also mentioned by Ren and Luke's seemingly recognizes her although that is hard to read because Luke's look is one of anguish and sympathy.

What seems to have happened is after Ben Solo goes Dark Side and kills all of Luke's students, Luke freaks out and becomes a Jedi Aesthetic and fucks off to Space Irish Isles to live like a hermit in a rock hut to take himself out of the game. He dumps off Rey to live like he did but left a map for her to find him if she needed too with somebody close by watching her. So furthering the pattern of Skywalkers not being emotionally stable people :V

The Big Reveal of Rey's parantage happens in the second movie like in the originals but I almost hope they zig zag further and make Rey not daughter of Luke but like Palpatine's granddaughter or maybe Luke married Palpatine's daughter and had Rey before Baby Momma got iced and there whose grave Luke is standing over
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8. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >Luke freaks out and becomes a Jedi Aesthetic

DID YOU MEAN: ascetic

:)

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9. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   iPhone auto correct you have failed me for the last time >:(
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41. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >>Luke freaks out and becomes a Jedi Aesthetic
>
>DID YOU MEAN: ascetic

Hey, that was good enough for monks in 1st Edition AD&D....

(....and the fun of seeing it mocked in the classic Murphy's Rules...)

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14. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   > R2 turns back on for the first time since Luke left
>when Rey shows up to give her the map, and when she finally finds Luke
>he's standing over a grave on an island from her vision that was also
>mentioned by Ren and Luke's seemingly recognizes her although that is
>hard to read because Luke's look is one of anguish and sympathy.

...that would explain the expression, yes. My summary of it to myself was that Luke was *not happy* to see her.

Poor Luke. Regardless of who Rey is, he's screwed up the training of his sister's kid, now he's got what might be his daughter showing up on his doorstep, asking to be trained. He's got to be thinking he's a complete failure as a teacher, just like Obi-Wan, and he doesn't have Yoda to fall back on. :-/

My only question is what the Force is telling him now...


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18. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >Poor Luke. Regardless of who Rey is, he's screwed up the training of
>his sister's kid, now he's got what might be his daughter showing up
>on his doorstep, asking to be trained. He's got to be thinking he's a
>complete failure as a teacher, just like Obi-Wan, and he doesn't have
>Yoda to fall back on. :-/

Well, heck, Yoda didn't have the greatest track record either. That we know of, he trained at least one Jedi who became a Sith Lord, who in turn trained Bad Plan Jinn, and then he trained Obi-Wan, so the whole lineage is a kind of multigenerational train wreck. In fact, looked at that way, it occurs to me that basically every teaching Jedi Master we've ever seen on screen has been, at least as an instructor, a more or less rampaging incompetent. As for Luke, he never even finished Jedi school, and let's face it, the boy's not the sharpest knife in the drawer anyway (it runs in the family), so it's maybe not a surprise that he didn't do any better.

I remarked on Twitter a while back that my main problem with the prequel trilogy wasn't that the good guys were required by pre-established plot constraints to lose, it was that George's way of addressing that was to make it obvious that they deserved to. That was just burning down the house to save it from being washed away in a flood, and one of its lingering side effects is that finding out Luke bungled being a Jedi Master comes as absolutely zero surprise. Which is a shame.

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20. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   "I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to train you! I'm here with Ben Kenobi!"

"Ben Kenobi?!?"

*throws self down bottomless pit to save the effort*

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25. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   Honestly, I think part of it (beyond the realization that she's got his dad's old saber) is that he saw her land in the Falcon, with Chewie, and no Han, and he knows what that must mean.

Having a total stranger show up and tell you that your best friend is dead is not ever going to be a good day.

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26. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >Honestly, I think part of it (beyond the realization that she's got
>his dad's old saber) is that he saw her land in the Falcon, with
>Chewie, and no Han, and he knows what that must mean.
>
>Having a total stranger show up and tell you that your best friend is
>dead is not ever going to be a good day.

Aw man, really? JJ jossed Han Solo? Lame.

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32. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >>Honestly, I think part of it (beyond the realization that she's got
>>his dad's old saber) is that he saw her land in the Falcon, with
>>Chewie, and no Han, and he knows what that must mean.
>>
>>Having a total stranger show up and tell you that your best friend is
>>dead is not ever going to be a good day.
>
>Aw man, really? JJ jossed Han Solo? Lame.
>
>--G.

He went out a lot better than that. And interestingly, Ford is going to appear in VIII somehow...

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35. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >He went out a lot better than that. And interestingly, Ford is going
>to appear in VIII somehow...

My money's on flashbacks showing how Ben was turned to the First Order... even if the idea of Han showing up as a Force Ghost would be hilarious.

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15. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   > Maz ask Han what's with the girl, then
>after Rey has her Dehgoba Cave moment where there's a flash back to
>when her "family" left her on Jakku (which was really cool and I liked
>how she was repulsed by the Sword of Vader that murdered children) Maz
>gives her a run down of Anakin's swords lineage and then says Rey
>should have it.

I think in the Visual Guide it said that Maz is actually a contemporary of Yoda (at least as long-lived), and while Force-sensitive, never parlayed it into full Jedi-ness, just used it for being super-successful in the Space Pirate business (read: Surviving).

So, of course, in UF, she's just camped out in her own little Space Pirate castle shaking her head at those upstarts on Omega. "-I- have a nice little fortress with fresh water, forest food, and clean skies. What do -they- have? 33 percent chance of explosive decompression at any given moment!"

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36. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >So, of course, in UF, she's just camped out in her own little Space
>Pirate castle shaking her head at those upstarts on Omega. "-I- have
>a nice little fortress with fresh water, forest food, and clean skies.
> What do -they- have? 33 percent chance of explosive decompression at
>any given moment!"

On Omega, you don't misbehave because Aria will murder you slow to prove a point. At Maz's, you don't misbehave because she'll give you that disappointed look that reminds you of your grandma.

I know which place I'd visit.

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23. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-15 AT 12:31 PM (EST)
 
>The Big Reveal of Rey's parantage happens in the second movie like in
>the originals but I almost hope they zig zag further and make Rey not
>daughter of Luke but like Palpatine's granddaughter or maybe Luke
>married Palpatine's daughter and had Rey before Baby Momma got iced
>and there whose grave Luke is standing over


Someone has noted that there is a voiceover that sounds an AWFUL lot like Sheev Palpatine telling Rey to run at one point.

(Even a dead, evil emperor can find time to look out for his granddaughter?)

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27. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >>The Big Reveal of Rey's parantage happens in the second movie like in
>>the originals but I almost hope they zig zag further and make Rey not
>>daughter of Luke but like Palpatine's granddaughter or maybe Luke
>>married Palpatine's daughter and had Rey before Baby Momma got iced
>>and there whose grave Luke is standing over
>
>
>Someone has noted that there is a voiceover that sounds an AWFUL lot
>like Sheev Palpatine telling Rey to run at one point.
>
>(Even a dead, evil emperor can find time to look out for his
>granddaughter?)

Who doesn't want their grandkids to have ULTIMATE POWWWWERRRRR.

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33. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   I would pay money to see a force ghost of Palpatine critiquing Jedi teaching methods.

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34. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >I would pay money to see a force ghost of Palpatine critiquing Jedi
>teaching methods.

Why would he? Statistically, they worked really well for him.

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59. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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>Someone has noted that there is a voiceover that sounds an AWFUL lot
>like Sheev Palpatine telling Rey to run at one point.

That was apparently Yoda and Obi-Wan. According to reports, they brought in both Frank Oz & Ewan McGregor to record lines for that scene... and found a sound clip of Alec Guinness saying the word "afraid" that could be hacked for the right reading of the word "Rey".

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7. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >OK - does anyone else think Rey is related (younger sister, maybe?) to
>Kylo Ren? Given all of the echoes of the first trilogy I spotted
>throughout the movie, I found myself thinking there was something
>there...
>
>I admit to hoping I'm wrong, that Rey is somebody else unrelated,
>but...it would fit the series mythology very well.

I'd suspect Luke's kid more than Leia and Hans. If nothing else, I doubt they'd be that big a pair of dicks, especially given what they do in regards to Kylo in this movie.

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2. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >This is the thread for those of us who have seen the movie and want to
>talk about it WITH SPOILERS to do so.

Oh. Yeah. I meant for the other one to be that, but didn't specify it in the subject header. Doop.

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10. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   Finn is a little dork to be a storm trooper in all the best ways

I am in love with Daisy Ridley and i will fight anybody for her hand

... Having said that Rey is a strong independent women who don't need no man and doesn't give two shits what kind of Space Nazi gulag you stick her in she'll bust herself out but will be touched you thought enough of her to try and help. I heart her.

Kylo Ren is what happens when you do Anakin Skywalker right. A wrathful young man flooded with power with Issues. Lots of Issues.

I want Episode 8 to be Poe and Finn's Bromantic Adventure

Speaking of bros, BB8 i is the coolest and chilliest droid even when these dumb humans keep dumping their emotions all over him and he doesn't k ow what the fuck but still manages to do them a solid when they are trying to impress the ladies. The bro ist of droids. A broid if you will.

I can't believe I'm saying this but I wish they l had done some more Space Politics splainin. The Resistance being a Republic funded insurgency to fuck with the First Order because either they are too gutless to fight or are bound by limitations to keep The Empire from rising again is an interesting concept and I wished they cut the monster attack and talked about that a little
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11. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-15 AT 07:50 PM (EST)
 
>I can't believe I'm saying this but I wish they l had done some more
>Space Politics splainin. The Resistance being a Republic funded
>insurgency to fuck with the First Order because either they are too
>gutless to fight or are bound by limitations to keep The Empire from
>rising again is an interesting concept and I wished they cut the
>monster attack and talked about that a little

Yeah, the novelization and some of the guide books explain it far better than the movie did really. Probably because the movie wanted to keep Leia off screen until the reunion with Han, which is a shame, because her extra scenes in the novel were pretty good. Basically, the First Order is built up from several old Imperial factions that were smart enough to know the Empire lost, and got the hell out of explored space, rebuilding and preparing for perhaps twenty years.

By the time they moved back in and took over some other Imperial fragments and such, the New Republic dismisses them as just another Remnant, and thus not really a problem, no matter what that old fanatic Leia Organa may claim. After all, the old treaties are still in place, so the First Order barely has any ships, and they're not even allowed to train and field Stormtroopers!

... oh-oh.

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12. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >>I can't believe I'm saying this but I wish they l had done some more
>>Space Politics splainin. The Resistance being a Republic funded
>>insurgency to fuck with the First Order because either they are too
>>gutless to fight or are bound by limitations to keep The Empire from
>>rising again is an interesting concept and I wished they cut the
>>monster attack and talked about that a little
>
>Yeah, the novelization and some of the guide books explain it far
>better than the movie did really. Probably because the movie wanted to
>keep Leia off screen until the reunion with Han, which is a shame,
>because her extra scenes in the novel were pretty good. Basically, the
>First Order is built up from several old Imperial factions that were
>smart enough to know the Empire lost, and got the hell out of explored
>space, rebuilding and preparing for perhaps twenty years.
>
>By the time they moved back in and took over some other Imperial
>fragments and such, the New Republic dismisses them as just another
>Remnant, and thus not really a problem, no matter what that old
>fanatic Leia Organa may claim. After all, the old treaties are still
>in place, so the First Order barely has any ships, and they're not
>even allowed to train and field Stormtroopers!
>
>... oh-oh.

Star wars politics, not 1930s Europ... never mind.


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13. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >>After all, the old treaties are still
>>in place, so the First Order barely has any ships, and they're not
>>even allowed to train and field Stormtroopers!
>>
>>... oh-oh.
>
>Star wars politics, not 1930s Europ... never mind.

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17. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >Speaking of bros, BB8 is the coolest and chilliest droid even when
>these dumb humans keep dumping their emotions all over him and he
>doesn't know what the fuck but still manages to do them a solid when
>they are trying to impress the ladies. The bro-ist of droids. A
>broid if you will.

I recall reading that BB8 is fully aware of how cute he is, and he's more than willing to weaponize it. Just look at that large round ball, that wide dark optic! Who can resist? Rey certainly can't... :)

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19. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-15 AT 10:31 PM (EST)
 
>I recall reading that BB8 is fully aware of how cute he is, and he's
>more than willing to weaponize it. Just look at that large round
>ball, that wide dark optic! Who can resist? Rey certainly can't...
>:)

"Eager query: Shall I give her the big sad optics, Master?"

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47. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >"Eager query: Shall I give her the big sad optics, Master?"
>
>"... HK, I hate to shatter your illusions, but that will never, ever
>work for you."
>
>"Disappointed rejoinder: You're so mean, Master."
>
>--G.
Thank you! I needed that!
And I can SOOO see a version of HK actually saying that.

To me, BB-8 came across as a Cat. It even sounded like it purred a couple of times, which was part of its cute attack.

But R2-D2 is still #1!


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48. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >>"Eager query: Shall I give her the big sad optics, Master?"
>>
>>"... HK, I hate to shatter your illusions, but that will never, ever
>>work for you."
>>
>>"Disappointed rejoinder: You're so mean, Master."
>>
>>--G.
>Thank you! I needed that!
>And I can SOOO see a version of HK actually saying that.
>
>To me, BB-8 came across as a Cat. It even sounded like it purred a
>couple of times, which was part of its cute attack.
>
>But R2-D2 is still #1!

BB-8 is a 'nice' Cat. C1-10P ("Chopper") from Star Wars: Rebels is more a Grumpy Cat in temperament. It's R2-D2 who's the family dog.

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21. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >I recall reading that BB8 is fully aware of how cute he is, and he's
>more than willing to weaponize it. Just look at that large round
>ball, that wide dark optic! Who can resist? Rey certainly can't...
>:)

Damn right the little devil weaponizes the cuteness. I mean, that 'thumbs up' with Finn, and his scenes with Artoo...

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   The "thumbs up" moment was the most spectacular. There are few things more adorable than a well-realized astromech droid.

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24. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   I was A++ satisfied with Rey the minute she told Finn she could run away from the people shooting at them by herself just fine, thanks. What came after was just icing on the cake.

I'm hoping she does end up being from another branch of the force sensitive tree, not another offshoot of the Skywalker line, but regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing what comes next.

Also, Finn is adorable and I will take ten. You can tell how much fun John Boyega was having in every scene.

(Also interesting that Finn handled himself pretty damn well against Kylo (right up until he didn't, admittedly, but still.)) Very interested to see what comes next for him, too.

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28. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-15 AT 03:33 PM (EST)
 
>(Also interesting that Finn handled himself pretty damn well against
>Kylo (right up until he didn't, admittedly, but still.)) Very
>interested to see what comes next for him, too.

I was confused by how well Finn was doing when ten minutes ago he got rekt by that stun baton Stormtrooper but then remember A: Kylo had been gut shot by Chewie and B: Stops playing around and stomps Finn after Finn wounds him.

Light saber duels had a lot of weight a viciousness to them with many fights being HOLY SHIT HES SWINGING A LASER SWORD AT ME GET IT THE FUCK AWAY
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30. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   I like how they show that as powerful as he is, he is not fully trained, since his anger is controlling him, not the other way around. Also the Stormtroopers being smart enough to turn around and go the other way when Ren is in the middle of a tantrum.

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31. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >I like how they show that as powerful as he is, he is not fully
>trained, since his anger is controlling him, not the other way around.
> Also the Stormtroopers being smart enough to turn around and go the
>other way when Ren is in the middle of a tantrum.

I'll need to rewatch to double-check, but I think the first time we see Kylo lose it is when he hears that not just the droid he's looking for has slipped through his grasp (in the company of a scavenger and a deserter stormtrooper), it was on a -YT-class freighter. I would suspect that was what pushed him over the edge - a reminded of not being able to escape dad, as it were. :)

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37. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >I'll need to rewatch to double-check, but I think the first time we
>see Kylo lose it is when he hears that not just the droid he's looking
>for has slipped through his grasp (in the company of a scavenger and a
>deserter stormtrooper), it was on a -YT-class freighter. I would
>suspect that was what pushed him over the edge - a reminded of not
>being able to escape dad, as it were. :)

My rewatch yesterday suggested the same thing, although I suspect Finn set it off to some extent as well. Kylo's betrayed his family, bound himself to the First Order, has reduced himself to nothing more than a weapon... and then there's someone who had the same thing done to them who proceeded to turn on the Order and stand against them.

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38. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >>I'll need to rewatch to double-check, but I think the first time we
>>see Kylo lose it is when he hears that not just the droid he's looking
>>for has slipped through his grasp (in the company of a scavenger and a
>>deserter stormtrooper), it was on a -YT-class freighter. I would
>>suspect that was what pushed him over the edge - a reminded of not
>>being able to escape dad, as it were. :)
>
>My rewatch yesterday suggested the same thing, although I suspect Finn
>set it off to some extent as well. Kylo's betrayed his family, bound
>himself to the First Order, has reduced himself to nothing more than a
>weapon... and then there's someone who had the same thing done to them
>who proceeded to turn on the Order and stand against them.

Who knew that trying to turn yourself purposefully capital-E Evil was so hard?!

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39. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >Who knew that trying to turn yourself purposefully capital-E
>Evil was so hard?!

Zuko.

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   And like Zuko, not only is he a little rubbish at it, now he even has the facial scars to go with it :)

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   I spent half the movie somewhat belatedly mourning some old EUness myself.

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22. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   I have to admit, I was still expecting Han to yell (and ever so slightly disappointed when he didn't), "JACEN!"

And for Rey's real name to turn out to be Jaina.

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42. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-15 AT 09:41 PM (EST)
 
Here's a crazy thought in re: Kylo Ren's lightsaber being noticeably wonky, with the beam crackling and spiking rather than being neat and tidy like normal blades.

In his first scene, we see Ren freeze a blaster bolt in midair, and it displays some of the same crackling effect. What if his lightsaber is the same way, i.e. more of a portable plasma fountain that Ren is shaping into a blade with the Force?

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   >Here's a crazy thought in re: Kylo Ren's lightsaber being noticeably
>wonky, with the beam crackling and spiking rather than being neat and
>tidy like normal blades.
>
>In his first scene, we see Ren freeze a blaster bolt in midair, and it
>displays some of the same crackling effect. What if his lightsaber is
>the same way, i.e. more of a portable plasma fountain that Ren is
>shaping into a blade with the Force?

Supplemental information (from the Visual Dictionary) indicates that the kyber crystal that Ren used for his lightsaber is flawed and cracked. That, plus basing his current saber on a -much- older design from the era of the "Great Scourge of Malachor" (related to Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords) pretty much means he's kitbashed his current saber and the side blades serve a primary function as extra vents for the energy.

His ability to freeze a blaster bolt is pretty impressive, though!

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   >>Here's a crazy thought in re: Kylo Ren's lightsaber being noticeably
>>wonky, with the beam crackling and spiking rather than being neat and
>>tidy like normal blades.
>>
>>In his first scene, we see Ren freeze a blaster bolt in midair, and it
>>displays some of the same crackling effect. What if his lightsaber is
>>the same way, i.e. more of a portable plasma fountain that Ren is
>>shaping into a blade with the Force?
>
>Supplemental information (from the Visual Dictionary) indicates that
>the kyber crystal that Ren used for his lightsaber is flawed and
>cracked. That, plus basing his current saber on a -much- older design
>from the era of the "Great Scourge of Malachor" (related to Knights of
>the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords) pretty much means he's kitbashed
>his current saber and the side blades serve a primary function as
>extra vents for the energy.
>
>His ability to freeze a blaster bolt is pretty impressive, though!

Not having read any of the supplemental material, my impression, on seeing the movie, was that the criticisms people made when the trailer came out about the idea of a light saber with a cross bar -- namely, that it looks cool to 12-year-olds but is utterly impractical -- was in fact entirely in character for a light saber made by Kylo Ren.


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   >Not having read any of the supplemental material, my impression, on
>seeing the movie, was that the criticisms people made when the trailer
>came out about the idea of a light saber with a cross bar -- namely,
>that it looks cool to 12-year-olds but is utterly impractical -- was
>in fact entirely in character for a light saber made by Kylo
>Ren.

Finn would like to dispute the 'impractical' part. At least, it's no more impractical than any normal lightsaber, and he's definitely figured out ways to use it.

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45. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >In his first scene, we see Ren freeze a blaster bolt in midair, and it
>displays some of the same crackling effect. What if his lightsaber is
>the same way, i.e. more of a portable plasma fountain that Ren is
>shaping into a blade with the Force?

Could also be the other way around. "Man, this craptastic lightsaber I bodged together barely works. The field containment is all over the fucking shop. These things are a pain in the ass, it's like trying to put a blaster bolt in a bottle. ... Hang on a minute, lads. I've just had a great idea."

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55. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >"Hang on a minute, lads. I've just had a great idea."

That sounds like it ought to be a SW-bad-guy equivalent of "Hold m' beer an' watch this!"

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49. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   Well it's now safe for me to read this thread.

I agree the set up of the larger setting is perhaps a bit underdone, but given the prequels vastly overdid that I can't fault them for being cautious. What you mention as being in the novelization makes sense. A slightly better opening scroll might have dealt with it - but nothing necessary from the film has been omitted so it's not a big deal.

My other gripe is General Huw. The actor isn't bad but he's just too fresh-faced. And really, for a part like that? They had MAX VON SYDOW on the cast. There's presumably some reason he doesn't have a larger role but we could have had Ming the Merciless as a major villain in Star Wars so I am slightly disappointed.

These are really small gripes and otherwise it was a fun movie. Harrison Ford did a great job and honestly I thought Carrie Fisher also did a splendid job.

I was initially rather puzzled by the casting of someone so young as Kylo Ren but it makes more sense as we get a better idea who he is beneath the mask.

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50. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >My other gripe is General Hux. The actor isn't bad but he's just too
>fresh-faced. And really, for a part like that? They had MAX VON SYDOW
>on the cast. There's presumably some reason he doesn't have a larger
>role but we could have had Ming the Merciless as a major villain in
>Star Wars so I am slightly disappointed.

According to secondary sources (novelization, etc), Hux being fresh-faced is the point. He threw a LOT of people under the snow walker on the way up to where he is now - he's more a power-for-power's sake kinda guy - but also a true believer in how the Empire brought Order to the galaxy (having been raised on tales by his high-ranking pro-Imperial parents). The First Order command structure is essentially the first and second generation offspring of Imperial Loyalists, and they're itching for some fanatical payback.

As for Lor San Tekka (Max Von Sydow's character), yeah he got short shrift in the story proper, but theoretically he should show up a lot more in stories set before the film, seeing as he's said to be an ally of both Luke and Leia in the interim between ROTJ and TFA.

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51. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   Apparently it was Bill Weasley!

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52. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   I do have one really big, annoying gripe about the movie, and it's not got anything to do with the acting, characters, or even the story.

Why, Mr. Abrams, do you hate physics so much? You did it in Star Trek, and now again in Star Wars. WHAT IS IT WITH YOU AND PLANETS.

I'm not even upset that the planets were destroyed. No, I'm upset about the goddamn scale of it. Hyperlight cannon that can destroy multiple worlds at once (and eats a star to do it)? Sure, okay! No problem!

Planets that are close enough together to be visible (with surface features!) to the naked eye? Err... well, okay, maybe we'll let you have that one.

Planets that can see their doom coming long seconds before it arrives? Now look, dammit, you said it was a hyperlight cannon, it's traveling faster than light, they can't have that ominous red glow before getting vaped. But fine.

Planets nowhere near the ones being destroyed, in other systems entirely, that can see the beam from the side while it travels to its targets? Oh for fucks sake, Abrams.

It's not any one of them, it's all of them arriving in such close proximity to each other that overloaded my "for fucks sake" surge protector. Did not Ruin The Movie for me, but in an otherwise thoroughly enjoyable flick this really got under my skin.

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53. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-23-15 AT 03:04 PM (EST)
 
>I do have one really big, annoying gripe about the movie, and it's not
>got anything to do with the acting, characters, or even the story.
>
>Why, Mr. Abrams, do you hate physics so much? You did it in Star
>Trek, and now again in Star Wars. WHAT IS IT WITH YOU AND PLANETS.

The official explanation is that the Starkiller cannon is firing into hyperspace and coming out the other end (presumably exiting hyperspace before final contact, thereby letting the targets know of their DOOM), hence the abbreviated beam travel time. I have nothing on why the hoek it'd be visible while in transit, though - other than possibly shoving a star's worth of energy through hyperspace could make external visual bleed effects across the realspace/hyperspace barrier - maybe

So, other than "visual shorthand to get the enormity of the destruction and dread across and to make the targets wet their undergarments before they die", I've got nuthin'.

On the flip side, the webcomic Schlock Mercenary visually described a similar weapon back in 2009 - which is then used to destroy a ship halfway across the galaxy - from inside the ship itself. Which if extrapolated to TFA and Starkiller Base, would mean we and nobody on the planet would know something was coming until it blew up from within. "Boom!"

*shrug*

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56. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
In response to message #53
 
   LAST EDITED ON Dec-23-15 AT 07:38 PM (EST)
 
>>I do have one really big, annoying gripe about the movie, and it's not
>>got anything to do with the acting, characters, or even the story.
>>
>>Why, Mr. Abrams, do you hate physics so much? You did it in Star
>>Trek, and now again in Star Wars. WHAT IS IT WITH YOU AND PLANETS.
>
>The official explanation is that the Starkiller cannon is firing into
>hyperspace and coming out the other end (presumably exiting hyperspace
>before final contact, thereby letting the targets know of their DOOM),
>hence the abbreviated beam travel time. I have nothing on why the
>hoek it'd be visible while in transit, though - other than possibly
>shoving a star's worth of energy through hyperspace could make
>external visual bleed effects across the realspace/hyperspace barrier
>- maybe
>
>So, other than "visual shorthand to get the enormity of the
>destruction and dread across and to make the targets wet their
>undergarments before they die", I've got nuthin'.
>
>On the flip side, the webcomic Schlock Mercenary visually
>described a similar weapon
>back in 2009 - which is then used to destroy a ship halfway across the
>galaxy. Which if extrapolated to TFA and Starkiller Base, would
>mean we and nobody on the planet would know something was coming until
>it blew up from within. "Boom!"
>
>*shrug*
>
>--- Philip

I thought part of the point of the Starkiller (and the Death Stars before it) was to project a form of fear to bring planets under the First Order umbrella. And part of that is providing the whole "you'll know it's coming and can't stop it" pantwetting moment of horror, rather than providing a death where you're not aware you're being killed until you've already been transformed into subatomic particles.

Of course, the First Order doesn't quite get the whole chain of "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate," much to their long-term detriment.





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54. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   Apparently word of god is that it did weird things to Hyperspace that made a lot of planets see the light show 'up close', galactically speaking, right as it happened. Which really needed an explanation in the movie, or a better way of showing it.

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57. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   >Apparently word of god is that it did weird things to Hyperspace that
>made a lot of planets see the light show 'up close', galactically
>speaking, right as it happened. Which really needed an explanation in
>the movie, or a better way of showing it.

I'm just going to write it off as "JJ Abrams sometimes takes 'show, don't tell' way too literally" and leave it at that.

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58. "RE: Star Wars VII - The WITH SPOILERS Thread"
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   I thought it was JJ going "What you didn't like it when Spock could see Vulcan blow up? WELL I WILL BLOW UP FIVE PLANETS AND MAKE PEOPLE WATCH SUCK ON THAT NERDS"

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