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   BABYLON PROJECT GALACTIC DATABASE
TEXT DATA EXTRACTION SEARCH: GALACTIC COMPENDIUM OF SENTIENT SPECIES
GENERAL DATA, CYBERRACE
SEARCH COMPLETE: APRIL 25, 2405

PLANET OF ORIGIN: Mondas, Centauri Sector
GALACTIC DISTRIBUTION: Uncommon

OVERVIEW

The Cybermen, or, more accurately, the Cyberrace, are a race of
electromechanical humanoid beings. Strictly speaking, they may not be
true life forms, as they cannot reproduce themselves except by
converting organic humanoids into Cybermen. The term "Cyberman"
itself, though used by the beings themselves, is somewhat inaccurate,
since they are sexless (though they do look and act in a manner which
most humanoid races identify as masculine).

A typical Cyberman stands between 6 and 6.5 Standard feet high and
weighs approximately 350 pounds. They have tremendous strength and
resilience, due to their extremely advanced robotic construction.
Apart from the slight variations in height (which are believed to be
due to the varying heights of converted life forms) and rank
distinctions, all Cybermen within a given subspecies are basically
identical. Their armored outer coating is extremely durable, and they
possess surprising agility for their size and strength.

The differences between the various cybersubspecies will be explored
further on in this document.

HISTORY

The Cyberrace originated on Mondas, a planet on the same orbit as
Earth in the Solar system, directly opposite the Sun. As their planet
was much like Earth, so they were much like humans would later be -
until a freak encounter with a comet wrenched their planet from its
orbit around the Sun and sent it speeding aimlessly through the
cosmos, a rogue planet.

Cut off from the vital warmth of the Sun, the Mondasians retreated
underground. When the cold and hardship reached them even here, they
began to adapt to their situation by replacing more and more parts of
themselves with cybernetic parts. Initially, this process was
approached with moderation, the Mondasians attempting to retain some
fragments of their humanity. A splinter group, today known as the
Faction, believed that only through total cybernization could they
survive, and so, at great risk, they left Mondas as it passed an
uncharted world today known only as Planet 14.

On Planet 14, the Faction continued their experiments with
cybernization. Before they truly grasped what was happening, they had
replaced everything in their rush for perfection. As a last,
disastrous step, they chose to remove their emotions so as not to
interfere with their efficient, logical progress. In doing so they
became the soulless, conquering robots we know today as the Cybermen.

Ironically, it was not long after the Faction had left Mondas that the
Mondasians came to the conclusion that their absent brethren had been
right after all. They did not take the process quite as far, however,
and retained enough of their humanity that the cyberMondasians have
never been the kind of threat that the cyberFaction would eventually
become.

In 2010, Mondas returned to the Solar system. A misunderstanding led
to a brief war between the cyberMondasians and the Earth Defense
Force, but eventually understanding and peace were established.
Thanks to the efforts of the Wedge Defense Force, EDF and Royal
Salusian Navy, Mondas is today in a comfortable orbit around its
original star's near neighbor, Wolf 359.

Planet 14's cyberFaction, meanwhile, had developed interstellar
travel, and in 2045 they attacked a Salusian colony world in their
first bid to expand their galactic holdings. The Cyberwar lasted for
eight years, during which the Royal Salusian Armed Forces and the
Wedge Defense Force developed the standard tactics which are still
used against the Cyberrace today.

The cyberFaction's eventual defeat led to a splintering of their
civilization - Planet 14's Cyberrace was almost wiped out, and a few
of their military starship groups scattered to the Outer Rim, to
become the cyberNomads. One such group, the mostly intact Battle
Fleet Seventeen, took refuge on Telos, a frozen Outer Rim world, and
devoted themselves to improving their technology. By 2150 they had
evolved into a totally new Cyberrace, the cyberNeomorphs - tougher,
stronger, smarter, and equipped with better weapons than any Cyberrace
before them.

However, these new Cybermen lacked sufficient energy reserves to
return to Salusian space and repeat their conquest attempt. They
consigned themselves to cryonic suspension chambers built deep beneath
Telos's surface and waited for their automatic energy-collection
systems to amass enough energy from Telos's weak sunlight to make
their war effort possible. That this would take several hundred years
was of no real concern to them; effectively immortal, they could wait
as long as necessary.

Unfortunately for the plans of the Cybermen of Telos, their tombs were
discovered in 2131 by a Wedge Defense Force expedition investigating
the strange energy fluctuations recorded by their sensors as they
passed through the area. Recognizing the cyberNeomorphs for the
threat they represented, the WDF high command were at first
considering destroying them as they slept, as unsporting as that
option was. Then, while studying the ways in which the Neomorphs'
cyberbrains interacted with and modified the action of the organic
brain tissue they contained, a WDF researcher hit on a way to remove
the threat without being forced to commit genocide. The high command
approved the plan, and, over the next three months, teams of WDF
cyberneticists (including several cyberMondasians) modified the
cyberbrain of every sleeping Neomorph - restoring their emotions and
consciences. When awakened, many Neomorphs joined the WDF, while the
others scattered about the galaxy, where they can now be found in
almost every walk of life.

Following is a brief overview of the variant Cyberraces known to
exist.

CYBERMONDASIAN (Homo cyberis mondas)

The original Cyberman type. CyberMondasians tend to be between 80%
and 90% cybernetic. They still possess organic brain tissue and, in
most cases, some remaining internal organs, usually a cybernetically
augmented organic heart and abbreviated digestive and endocrine
systems to sustain the brain. Some even retain flesh-and-blood limbs,
although these have almost universally been augmented. An average
cyberMondasian has strength on part with an average adult Salusian.

CyberMondasians' minds are mostly comparable to those of humans,
although without the complex biochemical responses of the fully human
brain or electronics to simulate them, they possess somewhat
attenuated emotional responses. In this way they are comparable in
average personality to Vulcans. They are creatures of logic and
rationality, but by the same token they are not cruel or vindictive.

On Mondas, reproduction is accomplished in the laboratory. Genetic
engineering provides variation, and new individuals are grown to
adulthood and cybernized before ever reaching consciousness. They are
born full-grown and cybernetically educated, ready to begin their
lives. The cyberpopulation is maintained at a stable and efficient
level - new cyberMondasians are only created to replace those killed
in accidents or lost in warfare. As their cybersystems render them
nearly immortal, there is negligible natural attrition.

Mondas is a member-state of the United Federation of Planets and has
strategic mutual-defense agreements with Earth and Mars as well.
Oddly enough, tourism is a major source of income for the Mondasian
government - many sentient beings find the calm, ordered rationality
of Mondas restful. The planet's chief export is, not surprisingly,
cybernetic enhancement parts for humanoids.

CYBERFACTION (PLANET 14 CYBERMAN/CYBERNOMAD) (Homo cyberis factis/Homo
cyberis nomadis)

The cyberFaction subspecies are almost totally robotic, containing
nothing organic save some brain matter and the most utterly vestigial
of respiratory systems. They can survive for hours without breathing
thanks to internal backup systems. They are considerably stronger
than their Mondasian cousins, and somewhat harder to kill as well.

They have only one physical flaw: the oxygenating grid used in their
respiratory systems is susceptible to contamination by ductile,
non-corrosible metals, especially gold, and when contaminated it fails
to function, asphyxiating and killing the organic component and thus
the Cyberman. Gold dust or a suspension of powered gold in liquid, if
forcibly introduced to the chest ventilator of a cyberFaction
Cyberman, will kill him. It was for this purpose that the tactical
high-velocity auric injector, popularly known as the glittergun, was
developed during the Cyberwar.

The cyberFaction have utterly eliminated emotion and conscience from
their makeup. Their computerized brains know only the cold sterility
of total logic. They are a tragic irony: they got the way they are
today searching for perfection, and now that they have removed their
emotions they have no concept of perfection, nor would they know how
to recognize it, or what to do with it if they had it. Today, the
remnants of this, once the most numerous branch of the Cyberrace,
wander the galaxy, seeking to conquer, cybernize, and perpetuate
themselves, without ever knowing why.

CYBERNEOMORPH (CYBERTELOSIAN) (Homo cyberis neomorphia)

Technologically the most advanced Cybermen, the cyberNeomorphs are
sleeker, more modern-looking and more powerful than the Faction
Cybermen they are descended from. Their technology, an evolution of
cyberFaction technology, is similar but more advanced, and although
their ventilation systems originally had the same vulnerability to
gold (to a lesser extent), that vulnerability has been eliminated in
WDF-member Neomorphs through advancements made by WDF scientists (much
to the chagrin of the Elasi pirates who attempted to fight off a WDF
Cybersquad using glitterguns!).

The cyberNeomorph is also the most 'human' of the Cyberraces. Their
cyberbrains contain positronic circuitry based on advanced robotic AI
systems, which, coupled with a few biochemical augmentations to their
organic brain components, give them emotions. This system is so
sophisticated that it is even tied to power amplifiers and the like
throughout the Neomorphs' bodies to simulate in them the effect of an
adrenaline surge on a humanoid. As originally implemented by the
Faction, this system's emotional spectrum was limited to combative
feelings - anger, contempt, hatred - but the WDF Life Sciences
Division's historic modification freed the Neomorphs of this
limitation and gave them full humanoid emotional spectra.

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  RE: BPGD: Cyberrace dbrandon Oct-05-01 1
     RE: BPGD: Cyberrace Gryphonadmin Oct-05-01 2
         RE: BPGD: Cyberrace Pasha Oct-05-01 3
             RE: BPGD: Cyberrace Juunanagou Oct-05-01 4
         RE: BPGD: Cyberrace Matrix Dragon Oct-05-01 5
  RE: BPGD: Cyberrace zphunk Oct-05-01 6
     RE: BPGD: Cyberrace Sinapus Oct-05-01 7
         RE: BPGD: Cyberrace zphunk Oct-05-01 8
     RE: BPGD: Cyberrace Gryphonadmin Oct-06-01 9
         RE: BPGD: Cyberrace Peter Eng Oct-06-01 10
  RE: BPGD: Cyberrace Star Ranger4 Oct-06-01 11
  RE: BPGD: Cyberrace ejheckathorn Oct-06-01 12
     RE: BPGD: Cyberrace Gryphonadmin Oct-06-01 13
         RE: BPGD: Cyberrace Mephronmoderator Oct-06-01 14
             RE: BPGD: Cyberrace Gryphonadmin Oct-07-01 15

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1. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >option was. Then, while studying the ways in which the Neomorphs'
>cyberbrains interacted with and modified the action of the organic
>brain tissue they contained, a WDF researcher hit on a way to remove
>the threat without being forced to commit genocide.

Anyone we know? From context, not a member of high command, but that leaves plenty of room...

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2. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >>option was. Then, while studying the ways in which the Neomorphs'
>>cyberbrains interacted with and modified the action of the organic
>>brain tissue they contained, a WDF researcher hit on a way to remove
>>the threat without being forced to commit genocide.
>
>Anyone we know? From context, not a member of high command, but that
>leaves plenty of room...

Not offhand. Probably one of the guys in the Life Sciences Division. They're a little unstable sometimes (they once inadvertently genengineered the brown fireball guys from Doom, who promptly trashed the lab), but they do get the job done.

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3. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >>>option was. Then, while studying the ways in which the Neomorphs'
>>>cyberbrains interacted with and modified the action of the organic
>>>brain tissue they contained, a WDF researcher hit on a way to remove
>>>the threat without being forced to commit genocide.
>>
>>Anyone we know? From context, not a member of high command, but that
>>leaves plenty of room...
>
>Not offhand. Probably one of the guys in the Life Sciences Division.
>They're a little unstable sometimes (they once inadvertently
>genengineered the brown fireball guys from Doom, who promptly
>trashed the lab), but they do get the job done.

(Imps)
That must have been a fun day. Everyone finnaly got to use the shotgun skills honed by long hours of running around knee dead in dead.


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4. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >(Imps)
>That must have been a fun day. Everyone finnaly got to use the
>shotgun skills honed by long hours of running around knee dead in
>dead.

I was at software, etc. yesterday. They have released a 3-hit combo of Doom: Doom, DoomII and Final Doom for $20.

Juun.


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5. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >(they once inadvertently genengineered the brown fireball guys from Doom, who
>promptly trashed the lab)

And most of the original Wedge Rats, along with any other Doom fans, had a field day trashing the Imps :)

Any idea on just how many cyberFaction ships are still out there, or are they only seen on rare occasions (Survivors of those occasions being even rarer.)

Matrix Dragon

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6. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   Gryphon,

Have you ever read any of Simon R. Green's Deathstalker books? The Cyberrace sounds remarkably similar to the Hadenmen from that series, they were cybernetically augmented supersoldiers that went haywire, turned on their creators, and started rampaging across the galaxy in giant gold star-cruisers. Then they all sealed themselves in giant tombs, I forget why. Or this just a conincidence?

Zack


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7. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >Gryphon,
>
>Have you ever read any of Simon R. Green's Deathstalker books? The
>Cyberrace sounds remarkably similar to the Hadenmen from that series,
>they were cybernetically augmented supersoldiers that went haywire,
>turned on their creators, and started rampaging across the galaxy in
>giant gold star-cruisers. Then they all sealed themselves in giant
>tombs, I forget why. Or this just a conincidence?

Actually, the Cyberrace is from the Dr. Who series.

<"Eradicate them.">

Patrick Chester
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8. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >Actually, the Cyberrace is from the Dr. Who series.
>
><"Eradicate them.">
>
>Patrick Chester
>"...could you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"

Ahhhhhhh. Many thanks. I don't think I've ever seen an entire episode of Dr. Who in my life. I have fuzzy memories of bits and pieces, I know who the Daleks are, and I know about his telephone booth, but that's it. But I really got into Red Dwarf, I started watching it in elementary school, though PBS really messed around with the schedule, so I never saw the entire series. Anyway, I read the description of the Cyberrace and it reminded me of the Hadenmen, but I was wrong. Who knows, maybe Green was inspired by Dr. Who.

Zack


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9. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >Have you ever read any of Simon R. Green's Deathstalker books?

Nope, I haven't heard of them before, to my knowledge. As pointed out already, the Cybermen are from Doctor Who. They're the series' second oldest recurring villains after the Daleks, and were the featured nasty in the 25th Anniversary episode, Silver Nemesis (which I highly recommend just for one interchange between the Doctor and his friend Ace).

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10. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >...the Cybermen are from Doctor Who. They're the series'
>second oldest recurring villains after the Daleks, and were the
>featured nasty in the 25th Anniversary episode, Silver Nemesis
>(which I highly recommend just for one interchange between the Doctor
>and his friend Ace).
>
>--G.
>["Of course not. I'm a good girl, I do as I'm told."]
>

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11. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >BABYLON PROJECT GALACTIC DATABASE
>TEXT DATA EXTRACTION SEARCH: GALACTIC COMPENDIUM OF SENTIENT SPECIES
>GENERAL DATA, CYBERRACE
>SEARCH COMPLETE: APRIL 25, 2405

>

D'OH!! Considering the 'borg' conversation, now I feel like a COMPLETE BLOODY IDIOT. I watched quite a bit of Who when I was younger.... why did the cybermen never occur to me????

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12. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >The Cyberrace originated on Mondas, a planet on the same orbit as
>Earth in the Solar system, directly opposite the Sun. As their planet
>was much like Earth, so they were much like humans would later be -
>until a freak encounter with a comet wrenched their planet from its
>orbit around the Sun and sent it speeding aimlessly through the
>cosmos, a rogue planet.

Question: is this Doctor Who canon, or is this background of your own devising?

Eric J. Heckathorn
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13. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >>The Cyberrace originated on Mondas, a planet on the same orbit as
>>Earth in the Solar system, directly opposite the Sun.
>
>Question: is this Doctor Who canon, or is this background of
>your own devising?

I believe it is, in fact, canon, but cannot cite sources at the present time, as most of my Who materials are still MIA from my most recent move.

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14. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >>Question: is this Doctor Who canon, or is this background of
>>your own devising?
>
>I believe it is, in fact, canon, but cannot cite sources at the
>present time, as most of my Who materials are still MIA from my
>most recent move.

I direct your attention to http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/alien/cybermen.shtml - being a BBC creation, I think we can mark it as 'official'.

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15. "RE: BPGD: Cyberrace"
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   >I direct your attention to
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/alien/cybermen.shtml - being a BBC
>creation, I think we can mark it as 'official'.

Thanks, Meph.

The Cyberman pictured is a Neomorph, by the way.

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