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"HHGG - DIASPORAS"
 
  
diaspora, n. exodus; mass emigration of a population from one point to many others.

Since the end of the Second Galactic Dark Age, colonization of the uninhabited systems of known space has featured two kinds of movement. There is the slow, steady movement which gradually expands the inhabited reaches of our galaxy, and then there are the diasporas- historical periods where one group in particular explodes in a massive wave of colonization efforts over a relatively short period of time. Listed here are the diasporas of most historical significance.

CORELLIAN DIASPORA - c. Standard Year 450 - 550

The Corellians retained the secret of hyperspace following the final disintegration of the Santovasku and Atlantean Empires around the 3rd century BCE. However, it was not until the early decades of the fifth century Standard Calendar that Corellia's industrial capabilities were up to the construction of even modest interstellar ships, and it took time, trial and error to refine the technology enough for the first marketable starships to emerge.

By midcentury, however, three different companies were offering small, marginally affordable spaceships for independent operators to purchase for galactic exploration. (1) The Corellian people, ever in search of new opportunities and adventure, nearly destroyed their own economy in a buying frenzy and mass exodus to the stars. The planet was, of course, saved from a century-long depression by two new sources of income: exploitation of the worlds of what are now Corellian Sector, Rigel Sector, Niven Sector, and Hutt Space; and resale of starships to pre-starflight civilizations like the Vulcans, Salusians, Zardons, and Kilrathi.

By the time the dust settled, Corellia had re-colonized about a dozen worlds of the old Atlantean Empire, restored contact with six surviving Atlantean colonies, and started fresh colonies in about fifty other systems. In addition, they had begun smaller diasporas through their sales of ships: the Vulcan, Andorian, and especially Salusian diasporas were caused directly by Corellia's influence. Future Corellian colonies would be sponsored not by independent homesteaders, but by the large corporations which came after, and they chose their new sites with great care and no haste.

The colonies were, in general, administered as sources of raw materials only, and when whatever resource the colonial economy was founded on played out, the colony was left to fend for itself. It was this sort of callous disregard for the colonial citizens that built up the popular hatred for the government which, in turn, allowed the corporations to overthrow the monarchy at the turn of the 19th century. Unfortunately, conditions have not improved since then, further enhancing the Corellian tendencies towards wanderlust and entrepeneurship.

FIRST SALUSIAN DIASPORA - c. 510 to 600

Unlike most races (which colonize only those systems closest to their home world), the Salusians greeted the arrival of Corellian technology by using it to explore deep stretches of space. Even more so than Corellians, Salusians became known as the explorers and traders of the galaxy's far frontier. Their reasons were not so carefree as the Corellians, however: the Salusians had been at interplanetary war with the other inhabited world in their home system, Zardon, for over a thousand years.

Salusia needed to expand, badly. Although Salusia was and is a rich and fertile world, Salusian religion(2) prevented the development of its resources to their fullest potential. More urgently, their world was vulnerable to the Zardons, who could raid or bombard at will without the constant vigilance of the then-tiny Salusian fleet. Secure bases were required to expand the population, build weapons, and assemble decisive forces beyond the Zardons' reach.

Thus, the Salusian diaspora did not begin for some decades, and when it did begin, it focused only on those planets that the survey ships noted as being exceptionally rich and inhabitable. Most of the 'prime real estate' in Rigel, Vega and Enigma Sectors(3) is Salusian controlled, dating back to this period. In all, some forty choice worlds were agressively colonized by Salusia during this period, ending with the First Great Kilrathi War.

There was no equivalent Zardon Diaspora during this period, because Zardon has always focused its attentions inward. The planet Zardon itself could be considered a planet under colonization(4), with its population confined to several incredibly dense population centers. When Zardon realized what Salusia was doing, the Salusian fleet had grown too strong in local space for Zardon to duplicate the effort; this is why most of the roughly thirty planets ever colonized by Zardon are out in the Outer Rim Territories. All Zardon colonies prior to the Civil War were military in nature, gaining civilian populations only as a secondary effect.

SECOND SALUSIAN DIASPORA - 1900 to 1998

The transformation of the Corellian-Salusian alliance into the United Galactica brought a period of unprecedented security which allowed Salusia to enter a second Diaspora period. Although the Zardons remained actively hostile, the balance of power was such that Salusia held the upper hand outside the home system itself, and Salusia took advantage of this period to extend its colonies into Centauri Sector and other places.

The diaspora was extended by the ascension of Garth to the Imperial Zardon throne, bringing on an unprecedented level of hostility and warfare with that power. Seeking new resources and allies, the Salusians and Zardons both stumbled across Earth in the last decades of the 20th century, and Salusia's diaspora ended when Earth officially made contact with and joined the United Galactica.

EARTH DIASPORA - 2005 to 2099

It took Earth a few years to incorporate galactic technology, economy, and culture shock into itself and settle itself down, but once it did it exploded onto the galactic scene. Earth colonists proved almost unique among other races, in that they would often choose worlds, of their own free will, which no other race would consider settling on(5). No matter how worthless a rock, you could find some human group who would settle there in the hopes that it was good for something.

Furthermore, where most races had one, a dozen, or a few dozen cultures at most, Earth had -thousands- of cultures and subcultures, many of whom wanted a place to be themselves- preferably without the presence of anyone wanting to be someone else. Political, religious, and ethnic colonies abounded, to the point where one-third of all Earth colonies have the word 'New' in their name in some form or fashion.

The wars of mid-century extended Earth humans' efforts to get offworld. The great exodus continued until, when the Sixth Great Kilrathi War began in 2098, there were over 150 worlds colonized by Earthers, with populations as low as a few hundred to as high as millions. Earth's population dropped by two billion during that decade from the sheer volume of emigrants. In a single century Earth had surpassed all the other races, including the Salusians, in number of worlds colonized; by 2300 it had surpassed them all in offworld population as well. Earth humans, as of 2400, make up 30% of the Federation's total population, with over 300 planets colonized.(6)

Despite this, Earth has not been a major political figure in the Galactica or Federation until recently. During the Galactica years, Earth could barely maintain a united world government, and it made no effort to impose any sovereignty over its colony worlds (unlike most other homeworlds). Only since the Corporate Wars, with the rise of the Earth Alliance as a strong political force, have Earth colonies voted reliably in bloc on most issues. With the gradual unification of Earth's many splinter cultures, it appears that Earth has become the great power to watch in the Federation... until the next diaspora, of course.

Editorial Note: Rumors that this article was cribbed verbatim from a fifth grader's social studies term project are entirely unfounded. The case was dismissed for lack of evidence. Anyway, even if it was, you can't prove anything, so nyah.

Footnotes

(1) Of the three, the Orlean Drive Yards went under in the eleventh century, the Kuat Drive Yards were bought out by GENOM in 2108, and Corellian Engineering Corporation moved operations to Earth in 2403.

(2) The bulk of Salusian religion is Gaianist in tone, revering a great planetary web of life which, put together, forms a greater being. As such, the Salusians have worked from the earliest days to keep the strains of technology and population on their ecosystem to an absolute minimum, preserving vast reaches of their world from development.

(3) Well, such prime real estate as -exists- in Enigma Sector, and even then the Salusians missed some real prizes there.

(4) And, many would say, in dire need of terraforming.

(5) Or, for that matter, no other race would consider settling -possible.- See entries on Fenris, Niflheim, and Barrayar.

(6) Although only 30 or so are controlled by the Earth Alliance(7), about half the remainder retain close political ties to the mother planet. The -other- half, however, tend to distance themselves as much as possible.

(7) 30, it must be added, of the 50 wealthiest and most populous. A quarter of all Earth-descended humans are currently under the Earth Alliance government directly.

Redneck (as always, only as official as Gryphon says it is or isn't)


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     RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS BobSchroeck Apr-05-02 4
     RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Gryphonadmin Apr-05-02 6
         RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Blob Apr-05-02 7
             RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Mephronmoderator Apr-05-02 8
                 RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Blob Apr-05-02 9
                 RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Blob Apr-05-02 10
                     RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Mephronmoderator Apr-05-02 13
                         RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Blob Apr-05-02 15
                             RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Pangaro Apr-07-02 27
                                 RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Blob Apr-07-02 28
                                     RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Pangaro Apr-07-02 29
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             RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS drakensisthered Apr-06-02 23
                 RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Blob Apr-06-02 24
                     RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS Gryphonadmin Apr-06-02 25
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1. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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>EARTH DIASPORA - 2005 to 2099

<snip>

>
>Furthermore, where most races had one, a dozen, or a few dozen
>cultures at most, Earth had -thousands- of cultures and subcultures,
>many of whom wanted a place to be themselves- preferably without the
>presence of anyone wanting to be someone else. Political, religious,
>and ethnic colonies abounded, to the point where one-third of all
>Earth colonies have the word 'New' in their name in some form or
>fashion.
>
>


Makes me wonder if there is a planet called Otaku's World or Otaku Colony. ^_^


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4. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >Makes me wonder if there is a planet called Otaku's World or Otaku
>Colony. ^_^

Ruled, perhaps, by the Otaking? <grin>

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6. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >Makes me wonder if there is a planet called Otaku's World or Otaku
>Colony. ^_^

Do you honestly believe that otaku could organize themselves into a viable space colony? Most of them can't even agree on which Gundam series is the least annoying.

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7. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-05-02 AT 08:30 AM (EST)
 
>>Makes me wonder if there is a planet called Otaku's World or Otaku
>>Colony. ^_^
>
>Do you honestly believe that otaku could organize themselves into a
>viable space colony?

When given the chance of haveing a planet where nobody makes fun of them they just might pull it of for long enough to get their independent colony. Wich would then promptly split up into diverent nations wich would then wage holy war against each other. The Dragon Ball Republic would be nuked right at the beginning, of course. And after that the colony could be united under the Mecha Alliance, led by the Macross Republic, the Evangelion Empire and the survivors of the Gundam Wars.


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8. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >When given the chance of haveing a planet where nobody makes fun of
>them they just might pull it of for long enough to get their
>independent colony. Wich would then promptly split up into diverent
>nations wich would then wage holy war against each other. The Dragon
>Ball Republic would be nuked right at the beginning, of course. And
>after that the colony could be united under the Mecha Alliance, led by
>the Macross Republic, the Evangelion Empire and the survivors of the
>Gundam Wars.

Meanwhile, the Magical Girls Co-Prosperity Sphere would have been trying to run diplomatic missions all over the place, and the Yaoi/Yuri Dominion collapses due to, well, population running out.

Let's not ask about what was going on in that small island off the coast, the one that calls itself 'Lodoss'.....

(Oh dear. Now I'm getting ideas. We all remember what happened the LAST time.)

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9. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-05-02 AT 12:45 PM (EST)
 
>>When given the chance of haveing a planet where nobody makes fun of
>>them they just might pull it of for long enough to get their
>>independent colony. Wich would then promptly split up into diverent
>>nations wich would then wage holy war against each other. The Dragon
>>Ball Republic would be nuked right at the beginning, of course. And
>>after that the colony could be united under the Mecha Alliance, led by
>>the Macross Republic, the Evangelion Empire and the survivors of the
>>Gundam Wars.
>
>Meanwhile, the Magical Girls Co-Prosperity Sphere would have been
>trying to run diplomatic missions all over the place, and the
>Yaoi/Yuri Dominion collapses due to, well, population running out.
>
>Let's not ask about what was going on in that small island off the
>coast, the one that calls itself 'Lodoss'.....
>
>(Oh dear. Now I'm getting ideas. We all remember what happened the
>LAST time.)
>
>

Otaku colony also got quite a pounding by Genom during the War of Corporate Occupation because the Bubblegum Crisis Protectorate was sending money and weapons to most of New Japan's anti-Genom movements.

And the Fighters Triangle consisting of the Streetfighter Protectorate, the Tekken Teretories and the King of Fighters Badlands is still the Mecca for martial artists.

(Edit: King of Fighters Badlands sounds better than Dead or Alive Badlands. IMHO.)


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10. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >
>(Oh dear. Now I'm getting ideas. We all remember what happened the
>LAST time.)
>

Actually I don't.


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13. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >>(Oh dear. Now I'm getting ideas. We all remember what happened the
>>LAST time.)
>
>Actually I don't.

Please consult this thread for details on the last time I had an idea around here.

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15. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >>>(Oh dear. Now I'm getting ideas. We all remember what happened the
>>>LAST time.)
>>
>>Actually I don't.
>
>Please consult this thread for details on the last time I had an idea around here.
>
>

Now I've got a mental image of an Otaku Colony Armed Forces t-shirt: Nene in her Hard Suit carrying the helmet under her arm, Priss with her Motoroid in battlemode, a "Strike" Valkyrie and a Tomahawk destroid in front of the Yamato and below that the slogan "We've allways dreamed of them. Now we've finaly got them!"


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27. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >Now I've got a mental image of an Otaku Colony Armed Forces t-shirt:
>Nene in her Hard Suit carrying the helmet under her arm, Priss with
>her Motoroid in battlemode, a "Strike" Valkyrie and a Tomahawk
>destroid in front of the Yamato and below that the slogan "We've
>allways dreamed of them. Now we've finaly got them!"

Not really as you described it but as close as I could make it with the few images I have available right now...
I hope this is enough to keep you from giving me any more ideas...

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28. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >
>Not really as you described it but as close as I could make it with
>the few images I have available right now...
>I hope this is enough to
>keep you from giving me any more ideas...
>

Hmmmm. I should give you ideas more often. ^______^



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29. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >>I hope this is enough to
>>keep you from giving me any more ideas...
>>
>Hmmmm. I should give you ideas more often. ^______^

Should have seen that one coming...

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17. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >>>Makes me wonder if there is a planet called Otaku's World or Otaku
>>>Colony. ^_^
>>
>>Do you honestly believe that otaku could organize themselves into a
>>viable space colony?
>
>When given the chance of haveing a planet where nobody makes fun of
>them they just might pull it of for long enough to get their
>independent colony. Wich would then promptly split up into diverent
>nations wich would then wage holy war against each other. The Dragon
>Ball Republic would be nuked right at the beginning, of course. And
>after that the colony could be united under the Mecha Alliance, led by
>the Macross Republic, the Evangelion Empire and the survivors of the
>Gundam Wars.

During all this, diplomats from these nations and friendly worlds are there to try to end the war peacefully. They fail miserably, due to the Otakuian translators they have.

The translaters are silent, but have very fast hands. When translating, they pull a bunch of magnetic-backed letters out and stick them on a metal board they carry, finally showing the message to the listener at just under chest-level.

You see, on Otaku, it's subs, not dubs.

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18. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >
>You see, on Otaku, it's subs, not dubs.
>


Well there is an exception from that. A former faction of the Mecha Alliance called the Macekians. They consist of renegade members of the Macross republic, the Kingdom Southern Cross and the Mospeada(sp?) Federation. (Those are the series Robotech consists of, right?) But they have been pushed back into the nuclear wastelands that once were the Dragon Ball Republic.


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23. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >>>Makes me wonder if there is a planet called Otaku's World or Otaku
>>>Colony. ^_^
>>
>>Do you honestly believe that otaku could organize themselves into a
>>viable space colony?
>
>When given the chance of haveing a planet where nobody makes fun of
>them they just might pull it of for long enough to get their
>independent colony. Wich would then promptly split up into diverent
>nations wich would then wage holy war against each other. The Dragon
>Ball Republic would be nuked right at the beginning, of course. And
>after that the colony could be united under the Mecha Alliance, led by
>the Macross Republic, the Evangelion Empire and the survivors of the
>Gundam Wars.

And the Ranma Republic is involved in ongoing civil wars that everyone else does their very best to ignore.


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24. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-06-02 AT 05:05 AM (EST)
 
>
>And the Ranma Republic is involved in ongoing civil wars that everyone
>else does their very best to ignore.

Oh. I completely forgot about that. ^_^;
There was a time during the war with Genom where it looked like they would finally come to a ceasefire in oder to repell the invading forces but those hopes where killed, when the terrororganization Knights Of The One True Fiance nuked both of the Kuno Kingdoms.

I know we (espacially I ^^") are overdoing this, but it's just so much fun.


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25. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >I know we (espacially I ^^") are overdoing this,

Yes.

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2. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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>Furthermore, where most races had one, a dozen, or a few dozen
>cultures at most, Earth had -thousands- of cultures and subcultures,
>many of whom wanted a place to be themselves- preferably without the
>presence of anyone wanting to be someone else. Political, religious,
>and ethnic colonies abounded, to the point where one-third of all
>Earth colonies have the word 'New' in their name in some form or
>fashion.

This reminds me somewhat of the Niven/Pournelle "Mercenary"/"Mote" future history, with the important exception that, in that series, much, if not most, of the early colonization was involuntary - undertaken by transportees forcibly expelled by the Earth government of the time (the CoDominium). Here, the colonzation was voluntary.

For all that, though, I remember, off the top of my head, only four human-settled worlds in UF that are dominated by a single national culture; Niogi (German) and New Japan, New Hokkaido and Tomodachi (all Japanese). New Avalon, obviously, is dominated by no single ethnic group.


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>For all that, though, I remember, off the top of my head, only four
>human-settled worlds in UF that are dominated by a single national
>culture; Niogi (German) and New Japan, New Hokkaido and Tomodachi (all
>Japanese). New Avalon, obviously, is dominated by no single ethnic
>group.
>
>


Wasn't there a New Texas?


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   >This reminds me somewhat of the Niven

(flesh crawls)

>For all that, though, I remember, off the top of my head, only four
>human-settled worlds in UF that are dominated by a single national
>culture; Niogi (German) and New Japan, New Hokkaido and Tomodachi (all
>Japanese).

Offhand, there's also Red Sox first baseman Jarvis MacHeath's homeworld, New Caledonia (Scottish), New Texas (obvious), Ishiyama (late Meiji Japan reflected in a steampunk mirror), Alfheim Colony (Scandinavia) and Funkotron (P-Funk Nation). Well, OK, Funkotron is kind of a "Western jive-pop culture through a Japanese cultural exaggeration prism" polyglot... but it's certainly all on the same page. Also certain non-independent worlds, parts of the Earth Alliance like Proxima Centauri, which are primarily Anglo-American in origin.

There are a few others that haven't turned up in anything released, only in design notes, such as Nueva Castilla (Spain) and Halloran V (Ireland).

Also, although New Avalon is very proudly multifaceted, most of its multicultural threads are woven into a pretty firmly late-twentieth-century New England-ish base, if only because that's the cultural background that its founder was coming from.

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16. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
In response to message #5
 
   >>This reminds me somewhat of the Niven
>
>(flesh crawls)

If it's any consolation, the universe "The Mote in God's Eye" is in is Pournelle's. He just let the Unnameable One play in it for a couple of books.

Though something tells me UF-Earth didn't have BuReloc, or even a CoDominium, which is fortunate.


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19. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
In response to message #16
 
   >>>This reminds me somewhat of the Niven
>>
>>(flesh crawls)

Memo to self: next time it's necessary to mention the name of That One, use asterisks, thus: N****.
>
>If it's any consolation, the universe "The Mote in God's Eye" is in is
>Pournelle's. He just let the Unnameable One play in it for a couple of
>books.
>
Exactly. In fact, it was chiefly the Pournelle "Mercenary" books - The Mercenary, West of Honor, Prince of Mercenaries, and Go Tell The Spartans (the last two co-written with S.M. Stirling, whose name I hope doesn't make anyone's flesh here crawl) I was thinking of.

>Though something tells me UF-Earth didn't have BuReloc, or even a
>CoDominium, which is fortunate.

Of course. They've got the Earth Alliance and the Psi Corps instead.

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20. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
In response to message #19
 
   >>>>This reminds me somewhat of the Niven
>>>
>>>(flesh crawls)
>
>Memo to self: next time it's necessary to mention the name of That
>One, use asterisks, thus: N****.

It's not having him mentioned that makes my flesh crawl; it's the comparison implied in "this reminds me somewhat of".

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11. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >
>For all that, though, I remember, off the top of my head, only four
>human-settled worlds in UF that are dominated by a single national
>culture; Niogi (German)

That reminds me, where does Niogi come from anyway? Is it from an anime? Some american sci-fi series I don't know? Or what? And is it dominated by the German culture in the original, too?


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12. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >>
>>For all that, though, I remember, off the top of my head, only four
>>human-settled worlds in UF that are dominated by a single national
>>culture; Niogi (German)
>
>That reminds me, where does Niogi come from anyway? Is it from an
>anime?

I think it's the canon homeworld of Yuri, but my memory could be wrong on that...

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14. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >>>
>>>For all that, though, I remember, off the top of my head, only four
>>>human-settled worlds in UF that are dominated by a single national
>>>culture; Niogi (German)
>>
>>That reminds me, where does Niogi come from anyway? Is it from an
>>anime?
>
>I think it's the canon homeworld of Yuri, but my memory could be wrong
>on that...

It's Kei's homeworld. Ergo her cursing in german....
t.

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21. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >(5) Or, for that matter, no other race would consider settling
>-possible.- See entries on Fenris, Niflheim, and Barrayar.

Um, are you refering to the books by Lois McMaster Bujold
when mentioning Barrayar? If so, shouldn't be refrence be Beta
Colony? If I'm wrong I apologize for the incorect assumption.

-Druid


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22. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >>(5) Or, for that matter, no other race would consider settling
>>-possible.- See entries on Fenris, Niflheim, and Barrayar.
>
> Um, are you refering to the books by Lois McMaster Bujold
>when mentioning Barrayar? If so, shouldn't be refrence be Beta
>Colony? If I'm wrong I apologize for the incorect assumption.
>
Barrayar had to be terraformed slightly (they're still working on the South continent at the time of the books). I get the impression that terraforming was fairly rare in the UFverse prior to the human diaspora as most races stuck to worlds they could use as they were.


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26. "RE: HHGG - DIASPORAS"
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   >>(5) Or, for that matter, no other race would consider settling
>>-possible.- See entries on Fenris, Niflheim, and Barrayar.
>
> Um, are you refering to the books by Lois McMaster Bujold
>when mentioning Barrayar? If so, shouldn't be refrence be Beta
>Colony? If I'm wrong I apologize for the incorect assumption.

Beta's in those ranks too, but Barrayar was originally a marginal class M world with next to nil animal life and with plant life on the scrub level that (a) were inedible by any Earth creatures, (b) were usually toxic to some level or another, and (c) were dangerous to be around even if they weren't toxic.

Barrayar was colonized as a massive slash-and-burn terraform job, and it's nothing like a complete one.

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